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CooperS4us · May 15th, 2004, 01:30 AM

From Motoringfile.com:

http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/...anges#comments

Highlights:

Very significant changes....

1) Automatic transmission with steering wheel mounted paddle shifter buttons (MCS) available beginning 1/2005 production.

2) LSD (Limited Slip Differential) available for the MCS with 6-speed manual transmission only, as of 1/2005 production.

Enjoy!

stryder · May 15th, 2004, 02:14 AM

Interesting stuff, but its not official if Gabe got it from an 'internal document' its just leaked information. Doesn't really matter, but it could help some of the confusion issues, like when HB will be ready.

BrantV · May 15th, 2004, 02:32 AM

Agree, It's not official yet.

If true, it will make it easier to pick a color

(being one less choice)

No mention of new interior lighting package, and the lack of rear fogs is very annoying.
Nothing worth waiting for me. Don't want LSD or automatic.

Just have to wait until dealer knows pricing and packages, and will be their first 2005 MCS. (well second/third after the showroom/demo cars)

fidge221 · May 15th, 2004, 04:17 AM

Does anyone know if pepper white will still be available in 2005? I heard that it may be discontinued?

gabe · May 15th, 2004, 04:44 AM

Update - the official PDF is available at www.motoringfile.com along with some further details.

Paul · May 15th, 2004, 06:49 AM

Just like to add a nod and and a wink, and say....

17th October 2003: Another rumour from the mill, LSD for Cooper S...

Don't you love it when that happens.

jwardell · May 15th, 2004, 04:57 PM

I wonder what the LSD will add to the price. I assume its a factory option but not standard?

'05 has a lot of nice changes (but I still hate those headlights), now the question will be how many of the '05 improvements will we be able to easily add to current MINIs.

nonsequitur · May 15th, 2004, 05:43 PM

Lots of edits here. So, what are the technical details on the "automatic transmission" for tthe MCS? It surely has a torque converter, steering wheel paddles (which means a tiptronic-type selection of [how many?] gears), etc. And, the Limited-Slip Diff should marry to any of the drivetrain choices?

2BlueMCSMRdstr · May 15th, 2004, 05:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by nonsequitur

Lots of edits here. So, what are the technical details on the "automatic transmission" for tthe MCS? It surely has a torque converter, steering wheel paddles (which means a tiptronic-type selection of [how many?] gears), etc. And, the Limited-Slip Diff should marry to any of the drivetrain choices?

I read that the LSD can only be installed on manual transmission MCS models.

Gelly · May 15th, 2004, 09:37 PM

What I want to know is, why can't you get the Tartan Red/Octagon Black Cloth/Leather Combo on the Cooper S?

sequence · May 17th, 2004, 05:11 AM

Until announced by MiniUSA nothing is official. Although the Motoringfile website's been down, I can tell that this report is just a compendum of changes to come, or as one lister said, an "internal" leak, maybe a series of them, all stitched together into a report to make consumers think it's official.

However, I expect "officiality" sometime in the next week-10 days or so. When I can build and price that 05 MCS on MINIUSA.com then I know we're FINALLY starting to make headway here.

sequence · May 17th, 2004, 05:13 AM

Yes Pepper White is here to stay, for now.

gabe · May 17th, 2004, 05:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by sequence

Until announced by MiniUSA nothing is official. Although the Motoringfile website's been down, I can tell that this report is just a compendum of changes to come, or as one lister said, an "internal" leak, maybe a series of them, all stitched together into a report to make consumers think it's official.

However, I expect "officiality" sometime in the next week-10 days or so. When I can build and price that 05 MCS on MINIUSA.com then I know we're FINALLY starting to make headway here.

This is an official PDF I can assure you. MotoringFile would never (key word here is never) try to create an official document out of nothing to "make consumers think it's official".

...and if you don't believe it I'd recommend waiting until later this week. At that point you should be able to call your local dealer and ask them about this very document. They should all have it by then.

sequence · May 17th, 2004, 05:34 AM

Motoringfile links go nowhere; when the site is back up I'll check it out. Thanks.

I don't doubt what U say, Gabe. It's just I have issues with the word "officially" (as quoted in the subject line of the first post) being bandied about-- it may be "official" information presented by another party (Motoringfile), but it's not "official" until MINIUSA stops draggggggging their feet and make the damned announcement ALREADY

(or if Mini2 beats' em to the punch

)

Sorry 'bout the rant but this whole 04-05 transition is VERY unsettling

gabe · May 17th, 2004, 06:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by sequence

Motoringfile links go nowhere; when the site is back up I'll check it out. Thanks.

I don't doubt what U say, Gabe. It's just I have issues with the word "officially" (as quoted in the subject line of the first post) being bandied about-- it may be "official" information presented by another party (Motoringfile), but it's not "official" until MINIUSA stops draggggggging their feet and make the damned announcement ALREADY

(or if Mini2 beats' em to the punch

)

Sorry 'bout the rant but this whole 04-05 transition is VERY unsettling

Okay I guess I mis-read what you were saying and I completely understand the frustration - no worries.

I actually didn't say it was officially released - that was the first poster. I just called it an official document

While MINIUSA hasn't made an official announcement I can tell you that what we have was or will be sent out to all dealers. It was sent from Jeff Stracco (MINI product manager) and is bulletin# PB-5-12-04. This info is in the header of the PDF that I deleted to give Jeff some privacy as his office phone number was listed. The document was dated May 12, 2004.

Also MotoringFile is currently online. It was down yesterday for 30 minutes in afternoon due to some server maintenance but otherwise has been up all weekend.

BartMack · May 17th, 2004, 12:22 PM

I think I read that Hyper Blue would not be available untin 1/05?

say it ain't so

BartMack · May 17th, 2004, 12:25 PM

after reading again, maybe it means it won't be available on the MC until 1/05..

stryder · May 17th, 2004, 10:25 PM

Yeah that PDF confuses me, but I can't see mini.com saying you can get HB in July (on an MCS) and dealers in the UK taking orders for it, and MINIUSA making us wait until Jan for the exact same car. Of course I wouldn't put something randomly decided past MINIUSA, since they clearly decide we don't get half leather seats when the UK gets them.

I guess we'll find out shortly, not much else we can do.

HyperMINI · May 17th, 2004, 10:34 PM

I saw the dealer's printout today and it said 'Hyper Blue available on the MCS from 1/05'
That would really annoy me if they built Hyper Blue for the UK and not for the US...
We might have to invade England or something

(sorry mates, just trying to keep my spirits up about it)

stryder · May 17th, 2004, 10:50 PM

It just doesn't make sense. I've been trying to keep my spirits up by looking at Astro Black... It could even save money, since I wouldn't get the color matched Dash and there's no sense in Blue leather seats on a Black car, so I could Leatherette.

Maybe that's the scheme? MINI Knows if they make oddball decisions, they'll make less money, because we'll get less options!

May 15th, 2004, 01:30 AM	#1
CooperS4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: South Florida Local Time: 09:10 PM Posts: 947 Offline	MINIUSA Officially Announces Changes for the 2005 Model Year From Motoringfile.com: http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/05/...anges#comments Highlights: Very significant changes.... 1) Automatic transmission with steering wheel mounted paddle shifter buttons (MCS) available beginning 1/2005 production. 2) LSD (Limited Slip Differential) available for the MCS with 6-speed manual transmission only, as of 1/2005 production. Enjoy! '02 Cooper CVT PW/B Leatherette, MFSW, 15" 8-spokes '05 MCS CR/W

May 15th, 2004, 02:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
stryder Sponsor/Moderator/Other Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland Local Time: 08:10 PM Posts: 3,267 Offline	Interesting stuff, but its not official if Gabe got it from an 'internal document' its just leaked information. Doesn't really matter, but it could help some of the confusion issues, like when HB will be ready. Magic 8-ball was correct. All be in awe of Magic 8 ball.

May 15th, 2004, 04:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
gabe MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, USA Local Time: 07:10 PM Posts: 280 Offline	Update - the official PDF is available at www.motoringfile.com along with some further details. Last edited by gabe : May 15th, 2004 at 04:59 AM.

May 15th, 2004, 06:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:10 AM Posts: 40,356 Offline	Just like to add a nod and and a wink, and say.... 17th October 2003: Another rumour from the mill, LSD for Cooper S... Don't you love it when that happens. Our trials and tribulations living in a "bleeding edge" eco house... Oxley Woods Living

May 15th, 2004, 04:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
jwardell MINI2 Master Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Newton, MA Local Time: 08:10 PM Posts: 5,410 Offline	I wonder what the LSD will add to the price. I assume its a factory option but not standard? '05 has a lot of nice changes (but I still hate those headlights), now the question will be how many of the '05 improvements will we be able to easily add to current MINIs. http://www.jwardell.com/mini/

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May 15th, 2004, 02:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
BrantV MINI2 Senior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Local Time: 05:10 PM Posts: 560 Offline	Agree, It's not official yet. If true, it will make it easier to pick a color (being one less choice) No mention of new interior lighting package, and the lack of rear fogs is very annoying. Nothing worth waiting for me. Don't want LSD or automatic. Just have to wait until dealer knows pricing and packages, and will be their first 2005 MCS. (well second/third after the showroom/demo cars)

May 15th, 2004, 04:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
fidge221 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Local Time: 08:10 PM Posts: 44 Offline	Does anyone know if pepper white will still be available in 2005? I heard that it may be discontinued?

May 15th, 2004, 05:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
nonsequitur MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 05:10 PM Posts: 1,471 Offline	Lots of edits here. So, what are the technical details on the "automatic transmission" for tthe MCS? It surely has a torque converter, steering wheel paddles (which means a tiptronic-type selection of [how many?] gears), etc. And, the Limited-Slip Diff should marry to any of the drivetrain choices? '02 MINI Cooper CVT(6/12/02; Indi Blue/Black, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S (6/26/67; Tartan Red/Black, 10x4.5")

May 15th, 2004, 05:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
2BlueMCSMRdstr Ducati Corse Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southern California Local Time: 06:10 PM Posts: 125 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by nonsequitur Lots of edits here. So, what are the technical details on the "automatic transmission" for tthe MCS? It surely has a torque converter, steering wheel paddles (which means a tiptronic-type selection of [how many?] gears), etc. And, the Limited-Slip Diff should marry to any of the drivetrain choices? I read that the LSD can only be installed on manual transmission MCS models. 2004 JCW MCS (including all exterior and interior JCW enhancements) upgraded to Cooper Motorsport 225 HPD Kit plus Cooper Motorsport Flywheel, Quaife LSD, Schrick cam 1998 M Roadster

May 15th, 2004, 09:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Gelly MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Local Time: 08:10 PM Posts: 27 Offline	What I want to know is, why can't you get the Tartan Red/Octagon Black Cloth/Leather Combo on the Cooper S?

May 17th, 2004, 05:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
sequence No Steenkin Preevileeg Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Makin' Killer Tacos Local Time: 06:10 PM Posts: 661 Offline	Not official yet Until announced by MiniUSA nothing is official. Although the Motoringfile website's been down, I can tell that this report is just a compendum of changes to come, or as one lister said, an "internal" leak, maybe a series of them, all stitched together into a report to make consumers think it's official. However, I expect "officiality" sometime in the next week-10 days or so. When I can build and price that 05 MCS on MINIUSA.com then I know we're FINALLY starting to make headway here.

May 17th, 2004, 05:13 AM	#12 (permalink)
sequence No Steenkin Preevileeg Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Makin' Killer Tacos Local Time: 06:10 PM Posts: 661 Offline	Oh and BTW Yes Pepper White is here to stay, for now.

May 17th, 2004, 05:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
gabe MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, USA Local Time: 07:10 PM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by sequence Until announced by MiniUSA nothing is official. Although the Motoringfile website's been down, I can tell that this report is just a compendum of changes to come, or as one lister said, an "internal" leak, maybe a series of them, all stitched together into a report to make consumers think it's official. However, I expect "officiality" sometime in the next week-10 days or so. When I can build and price that 05 MCS on MINIUSA.com then I know we're FINALLY starting to make headway here. This is an official PDF I can assure you. MotoringFile would never (key word here is never) try to create an official document out of nothing to "make consumers think it's official". ...and if you don't believe it I'd recommend waiting until later this week. At that point you should be able to call your local dealer and ask them about this very document. They should all have it by then.

May 17th, 2004, 05:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
sequence No Steenkin Preevileeg Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Makin' Killer Tacos Local Time: 06:10 PM Posts: 661 Offline	Motoringfile links go nowhere; when the site is back up I'll check it out. Thanks. I don't doubt what U say, Gabe. It's just I have issues with the word "officially" (as quoted in the subject line of the first post) being bandied about-- it may be "official" information presented by another party (Motoringfile), but it's not "official" until MINIUSA stops draggggggging their feet and make the damned announcement ALREADY (or if Mini2 beats' em to the punch ) Sorry 'bout the rant but this whole 04-05 transition is VERY unsettling

May 17th, 2004, 06:27 AM	#15 (permalink)
gabe MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, USA Local Time: 07:10 PM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by sequence Motoringfile links go nowhere; when the site is back up I'll check it out. Thanks. I don't doubt what U say, Gabe. It's just I have issues with the word "officially" (as quoted in the subject line of the first post) being bandied about-- it may be "official" information presented by another party (Motoringfile), but it's not "official" until MINIUSA stops draggggggging their feet and make the damned announcement ALREADY (or if Mini2 beats' em to the punch ) Sorry 'bout the rant but this whole 04-05 transition is VERY unsettling Okay I guess I mis-read what you were saying and I completely understand the frustration - no worries. I actually didn't say it was officially released - that was the first poster. I just called it an official document While MINIUSA hasn't made an official announcement I can tell you that what we have was or will be sent out to all dealers. It was sent from Jeff Stracco (MINI product manager) and is bulletin# PB-5-12-04. This info is in the header of the PDF that I deleted to give Jeff some privacy as his office phone number was listed. The document was dated May 12, 2004. Also MotoringFile is currently online. It was down yesterday for 30 minutes in afternoon due to some server maintenance but otherwise has been up all weekend.

May 17th, 2004, 12:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
BartMack #1647 of 1960 Join Date: May 2003 Location: RS60ville Local Time: 09:10 PM Posts: 3,373 Offline	I think I read that Hyper Blue would not be available untin 1/05? say it ain't so

May 17th, 2004, 12:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
BartMack #1647 of 1960 Join Date: May 2003 Location: RS60ville Local Time: 09:10 PM Posts: 3,373 Offline	after reading again, maybe it means it won't be available on the MC until 1/05..

May 17th, 2004, 10:25 PM	#18 (permalink)
stryder Sponsor/Moderator/Other Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland Local Time: 08:10 PM Posts: 3,267 Offline	Yeah that PDF confuses me, but I can't see mini.com saying you can get HB in July (on an MCS) and dealers in the UK taking orders for it, and MINIUSA making us wait until Jan for the exact same car. Of course I wouldn't put something randomly decided past MINIUSA, since they clearly decide we don't get half leather seats when the UK gets them. I guess we'll find out shortly, not much else we can do. Magic 8-ball was correct. All be in awe of Magic 8 ball.

May 17th, 2004, 10:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
HyperMINI MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Local Time: 09:10 PM Posts: 80 Offline	I saw the dealer's printout today and it said 'Hyper Blue available on the MCS from 1/05' That would really annoy me if they built Hyper Blue for the UK and not for the US... We might have to invade England or something (sorry mates, just trying to keep my spirits up about it) http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/18458/34526.jpg

May 17th, 2004, 10:50 PM	#20 (permalink)
stryder Sponsor/Moderator/Other Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland Local Time: 08:10 PM Posts: 3,267 Offline	It just doesn't make sense. I've been trying to keep my spirits up by looking at Astro Black... It could even save money, since I wouldn't get the color matched Dash and there's no sense in Blue leather seats on a Black car, so I could Leatherette. Maybe that's the scheme? MINI Knows if they make oddball decisions, they'll make less money, because we'll get less options! Magic 8-ball was correct. All be in awe of Magic 8 ball.

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