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Poisonedwell · Jun 16th, 2004, 01:25 AM

Since Mini hasn't released pricing for 05's yet, I had to order my MCS with all of the pricing labled "TBD" (to be determined) on the sell sheet. I'm pretty fine with that but my question is: since I already dropped a deposit off and signed the agreement is the dealer allowed to just make up any price over MSRP that they want when it finally comes in?! I mean, since pricing isn't set yet then basically I have agreed to whatever price comes up that the dealer says

What do you think?

reills · Jun 16th, 2004, 01:27 AM

The MA at Westchester claimed she did not think the price would change much at all, but then I am gullable.

jaieism · Jun 16th, 2004, 08:56 AM

I heard the price will be more expansive for the '05s....from my dealer.... higher MSRP than '04s.

hope that helps.

Thor Sanchez · Jun 16th, 2004, 12:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Poisonedwell

Since Mini hasn't released pricing for 05's yet, I had to order my MCS with all of the pricing labled "TBD" (to be determined) on the sell sheet. I'm pretty fine with that but my question is: since I already dropped a deposit off and signed the agreement is the dealer allowed to just make up any price over MSRP that they want when it finally comes in?! I mean, since pricing isn't set yet then basically I have agreed to whatever price comes up that the dealer says

What do you think?

Isn't your deposit refundable? I know mine is, and if they suddenly told me that 2005s were going to be $5000 more than 2004s, I'd be getting my deposit back.

MINIAC · Jun 16th, 2004, 02:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Poisonedwell

Since Mini hasn't released pricing for 05's yet, I had to order my MCS with all of the pricing labled "TBD" (to be determined) on the sell sheet. I'm pretty fine with that but my question is: since I already dropped a deposit off and signed the agreement is the dealer allowed to just make up any price over MSRP that they want when it finally comes in?! I mean, since pricing isn't set yet then basically I have agreed to whatever price comes up that the dealer says

What do you think?

Why didn't the dealer label the pricing as "MSRP"?

Quote: Originally Posted by Thor Sanchez

Isn't your deposit refundable? I know mine is, and if they suddenly told me that 2005s were going to be $5000 more than 2004s, I'd be getting my deposit back.

If you sign a purchase order and a car is built per that order, the dealer doesn't have to refund your deposit if you decide you don't want the car.

speed_racer · Jun 16th, 2004, 02:23 PM

When I put down my deposit for my '05 MCS the MA wrote it up based on '04 prices but she told me that obviously the price may change. She said they are either expecting no price changes on the S or very small changes in line with previous years. Also, my $500 deposit is refundable, and she clearly marked it as refundable on the sheet I signed. I guess if Mini came out with some really out of whack pricing I would have to cancel, but I really hope it doesn't come to that!

Poisonedwell · Jun 16th, 2004, 08:58 PM

Actually I'm more worried about the dealer marking up on the new MSRP that Mini releases. Is there any regulation for that?

MINILLA · Jun 16th, 2004, 09:04 PM

"If you sign a purchase order and a car is built per that order, the dealer doesn't have to refund your deposit if you decide you don't want the car.'

That may be true in California but it ain't true in Virginia. The buyer has the option to take back the deposit per state law. Even if everything is as ordered. I believe some other states have similar laws.

razorbackmini · Jun 16th, 2004, 09:17 PM

my dealer indicated that he sells to those who special order the car at msrp. the markup comes from the dealer alloted vehicles after they load the car with all options and dealer add-ons. i have not seen anyone complain that the dealer marked up from the msrp on the car or otions from a special order.

Poisonedwell · Jun 17th, 2004, 02:51 AM

thanks razor

lespurgeon · Jun 17th, 2004, 09:01 PM

Depends on the dealer, quite a few out west mark up every car $500 to $2000,, depending on dealer. However, every one of these dealers will tell you what their markup is. If the dealer said will be sold to you at MSRP, then I'm sure that is what you will get (and it will be very easy for you to check).

Poisonedwell · Jun 18th, 2004, 02:09 AM

thanks les

Jupiter · Jun 18th, 2004, 04:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Poisonedwell

Since Mini hasn't released pricing for 05's yet, I had to order my MCS with all of the pricing labled "TBD" (to be determined) on the sell sheet. I'm pretty fine with that but my question is: since I already dropped a deposit off and signed the agreement is the dealer allowed to just make up any price over MSRP that they want when it finally comes in?! I mean, since pricing isn't set yet then basically I have agreed to whatever price comes up that the dealer says

What do you think?

Jupiter · Jun 18th, 2004, 04:25 PM

Terms & conditions of sales are normally printed on the order form which (in the UK) state that the price quoted can change but the customer must be notified 4 weeks prior to delivery and at that point can cancel the order and receive a refund of the deposit paid. Never ever heard of an order form which states TBD - that gives them carte blanche to charge what they want and in my book doesn't constitute a valid contract.

Peter

MINILLA · Jun 18th, 2004, 04:29 PM

Retail laws in the UK are very different from those in the USA. Also they vary from state to state. You can't therefore equate what a dealer does, or is required to do, in the UK with what can be done in the USA.

sequence · Jun 19th, 2004, 02:17 AM

Check out www.motoringfile.com M-USA has released 2005 prices! Big surprise!

ejkd · Jun 19th, 2004, 03:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by razorbackmini

my dealer indicated that he sells to those who special order the car at msrp. the markup comes from the dealer alloted vehicles after they load the car with all options and dealer add-ons. i have not seen anyone complain that the dealer marked up from the msrp on the car or otions from a special order.

Same here in all 3 dealers in Illinois.

Jun 16th, 2004, 01:25 AM	#1
Poisonedwell I will crush you Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Woodbridge, NJ, USA Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 558 Offline	Dealer price gouging on 05's? Since Mini hasn't released pricing for 05's yet, I had to order my MCS with all of the pricing labled "TBD" (to be determined) on the sell sheet. I'm pretty fine with that but my question is: since I already dropped a deposit off and signed the agreement is the dealer allowed to just make up any price over MSRP that they want when it finally comes in?! I mean, since pricing isn't set yet then basically I have agreed to whatever price comes up that the dealer says What do you think? http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/19494/41887.jpg AZ Summer 05', here I come

Jun 16th, 2004, 08:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
jaieism .::Binx::. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunni Cali Local Time: 08:06 AM Posts: 347 Offline	I heard the price will be more expansive for the '05s....from my dealer.... higher MSRP than '04s. hope that helps. 2004 MINI Cooper Catch me if you can

Jun 16th, 2004, 12:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
Thor Sanchez MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Maryland Local Time: 11:06 AM Posts: 56 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Poisonedwell Since Mini hasn't released pricing for 05's yet, I had to order my MCS with all of the pricing labled "TBD" (to be determined) on the sell sheet. I'm pretty fine with that but my question is: since I already dropped a deposit off and signed the agreement is the dealer allowed to just make up any price over MSRP that they want when it finally comes in?! I mean, since pricing isn't set yet then basically I have agreed to whatever price comes up that the dealer says What do you think? Isn't your deposit refundable? I know mine is, and if they suddenly told me that 2005s were going to be $5000 more than 2004s, I'd be getting my deposit back. Hyper Blue/Black 2005 MCS 8/3/2004

Jun 16th, 2004, 02:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
speed_racer vroooooommmmmm Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 174 Offline	When I put down my deposit for my '05 MCS the MA wrote it up based on '04 prices but she told me that obviously the price may change. She said they are either expecting no price changes on the S or very small changes in line with previous years. Also, my $500 deposit is refundable, and she clearly marked it as refundable on the sheet I signed. I guess if Mini came out with some really out of whack pricing I would have to cancel, but I really hope it doesn't come to that! Baxter '05 EB/W MCS

Jun 16th, 2004, 08:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
Poisonedwell I will crush you Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Woodbridge, NJ, USA Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 558 Offline	Actually I'm more worried about the dealer marking up on the new MSRP that Mini releases. Is there any regulation for that? http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/19494/41887.jpg AZ Summer 05', here I come

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Jun 16th, 2004, 01:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
reills In my perfect MINI world Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Pawling, New York US Local Time: 11:06 AM Posts: 371 Offline	The MA at Westchester claimed she did not think the price would change much at all, but then I am gullable.

Jun 16th, 2004, 02:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 08:06 AM Posts: 8,510 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Poisonedwell Since Mini hasn't released pricing for 05's yet, I had to order my MCS with all of the pricing labled "TBD" (to be determined) on the sell sheet. I'm pretty fine with that but my question is: since I already dropped a deposit off and signed the agreement is the dealer allowed to just make up any price over MSRP that they want when it finally comes in?! I mean, since pricing isn't set yet then basically I have agreed to whatever price comes up that the dealer says What do you think? Why didn't the dealer label the pricing as "MSRP"? Quote: Originally Posted by Thor Sanchez Isn't your deposit refundable? I know mine is, and if they suddenly told me that 2005s were going to be $5000 more than 2004s, I'd be getting my deposit back. If you sign a purchase order and a car is built per that order, the dealer doesn't have to refund your deposit if you decide you don't want the car.

Jun 16th, 2004, 09:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
MINILLA MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Culpeper, VA Local Time: 11:06 AM Posts: 180 Offline	Deposit Back "If you sign a purchase order and a car is built per that order, the dealer doesn't have to refund your deposit if you decide you don't want the car.' That may be true in California but it ain't true in Virginia. The buyer has the option to take back the deposit per state law. Even if everything is as ordered. I believe some other states have similar laws.

Jun 16th, 2004, 09:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
razorbackmini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Arkansas Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 121 Offline	my dealer indicated that he sells to those who special order the car at msrp. the markup comes from the dealer alloted vehicles after they load the car with all options and dealer add-ons. i have not seen anyone complain that the dealer marked up from the msrp on the car or otions from a special order.

Jun 17th, 2004, 02:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
Poisonedwell I will crush you Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Woodbridge, NJ, USA Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 558 Offline	thanks razor http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/19494/41887.jpg AZ Summer 05', here I come

Jun 17th, 2004, 09:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
lespurgeon Off changing a nappy... Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: HI, USA Local Time: 05:06 AM Posts: 1,076 Offline	Depends on the dealer, quite a few out west mark up every car $500 to $2000,, depending on dealer. However, every one of these dealers will tell you what their markup is. If the dealer said will be sold to you at MSRP, then I'm sure that is what you will get (and it will be very easy for you to check).

Jun 18th, 2004, 02:09 AM	#12 (permalink)
Poisonedwell I will crush you Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Woodbridge, NJ, USA Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 558 Offline	thanks les http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/19494/41887.jpg AZ Summer 05', here I come

Jun 18th, 2004, 04:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jupiter MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Local Time: 03:06 PM Posts: 51 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Poisonedwell Since Mini hasn't released pricing for 05's yet, I had to order my MCS with all of the pricing labled "TBD" (to be determined) on the sell sheet. I'm pretty fine with that but my question is: since I already dropped a deposit off and signed the agreement is the dealer allowed to just make up any price over MSRP that they want when it finally comes in?! I mean, since pricing isn't set yet then basically I have agreed to whatever price comes up that the dealer says What do you think?

Jun 18th, 2004, 04:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jupiter MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Local Time: 03:06 PM Posts: 51 Offline	Terms & conditions of sales are normally printed on the order form which (in the UK) state that the price quoted can change but the customer must be notified 4 weeks prior to delivery and at that point can cancel the order and receive a refund of the deposit paid. Never ever heard of an order form which states TBD - that gives them carte blanche to charge what they want and in my book doesn't constitute a valid contract. Peter

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Jun 18th, 2004, 04:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
MINILLA MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Culpeper, VA Local Time: 11:06 AM Posts: 180 Offline	Price TBD Retail laws in the UK are very different from those in the USA. Also they vary from state to state. You can't therefore equate what a dealer does, or is required to do, in the UK with what can be done in the USA.

Jun 19th, 2004, 02:17 AM	#16 (permalink)
sequence No Steenkin Preevileeg Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Makin' Killer Tacos Local Time: 08:06 AM Posts: 662 Offline	Finally! 2005 Prices!! Check out www.motoringfile.com M-USA has released 2005 prices! Big surprise!

Jun 19th, 2004, 03:08 AM	#17 (permalink)
ejkd MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Illinois Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 51 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by razorbackmini my dealer indicated that he sells to those who special order the car at msrp. the markup comes from the dealer alloted vehicles after they load the car with all options and dealer add-ons. i have not seen anyone complain that the dealer marked up from the msrp on the car or otions from a special order. Same here in all 3 dealers in Illinois.

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