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NightFox · Sep 1st, 2004, 12:34 PM

I’ve just changed my MCS spec again (added xenons), and my dealer’s just sent me the revised paperwork to sign. However, right at the end of the spec it now says:

Code: NEWDISC
Description: Special Allowance
Price: -85.11
VAT: C
VAT amount: -14.89
Total: -100.00

Yes, that’s minus £100!

Now it definitely didn’t say this on my old paperwork, and I don’t want to ring my dealer in case they say “oh yes, sorry, our mistake, we’ll add that £100 back on immediately”. But have I actually just been given a £100 discount without even asking? Does anyone know what NEWDISC / Special Allowance actually means?

Maybe they were just trying to distract me from the fact that the "Estimated Delivery Date" on the paperwork has slipped another week to 15th October

ALD0 · Sep 1st, 2004, 12:38 PM

Bargain-Maybe they giving you Free TLC?

Do all the other figure/options add up correctly?

Hickster · Sep 1st, 2004, 12:38 PM

I think it just a code to cover dealer discounts. I had a £120 discount when I had my cooper 18 months ago - that was free TLC and £20 off bonnet stripes but I did have to haggle for the £20

NightFox · Sep 1st, 2004, 12:55 PM

Guess it could be free TLC - Whatever it is though, it's a bit of a nice surprise getting something for nothing without even asking! Especially as they haven't even told me about it. I just hope the old "E&OE" doesn't come into play...

hunkey dorey · Sep 1st, 2004, 01:18 PM

the words "DISCOUNT" and "BMW" don't quite fit together....

....think is prob TLC or a simple mistake (prop the latter knowing BMW!!)

AMT · Sep 1st, 2004, 03:12 PM

I got free TLC after asking for some money off. So did three of my friends - dealer was happy to discount the £100 every time. Later I got £200 for recommending a friend (although I think this was a special offer unique to my dealership).

cook1e · Sep 1st, 2004, 04:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NightFox

I’ve just changed my MCS spec again (added xenons), and my dealer’s just sent me the revised paperwork to sign. However, right at the end of the spec it now says:

Code: NEWDISC
Description: Special Allowance
Price: -85.11
VAT: C
VAT amount: -14.89
Total: -100.00

Yes, that’s minus £100!

Now it definitely didn’t say this on my old paperwork, and I don’t want to ring my dealer in case they say “oh yes, sorry, our mistake, we’ll add that £100 back on immediately”. But have I actually just been given a £100 discount without even asking? Does anyone know what NEWDISC / Special Allowance actually means?

Maybe they were just trying to distract me from the fact that the "Estimated Delivery Date" on the paperwork has slipped another week to 15th October

Had special allowance on my invoice too, but was told by the dealer not to let anyone know how much, lets just say it was quite a bit more than £100- though.

I only got this by obtaining a written quote from another dealer who offer my firm a corporate discount and then getting my local dealer to match the discount if they wanted a sale. The sales guy had to call his boss to get permission but at the end of the day they couldn't do much other than price match if they wanted a sale

marrsbar · Sep 1st, 2004, 07:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NightFox

Guess it could be free TLC - Whatever it is though, it's a bit of a nice surprise getting something for nothing without even asking! Especially as they haven't even told me about it. I just hope the old "E&OE" doesn't come into play...

E&OE means jack. (errors and ommisions exempt for those of you wondering). If a mistake is made on a document they have to honour it still. They just put that on so people thing that they can't do anything about errors or mistakes. Trust me, my company uses E&OE all the time, but if we ever did make a mistake, like under charged someone on an invoice, and they chased it up, they would find that we can't change things. If you offer something for sale you must sell it at the written price agreed. You cannot change the price afterwards. The only thing they could do is withdraw the car from sale and that has to be for a certain period of time, cant remember how long.

andyupnorth · Sep 1st, 2004, 07:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by marrsbar

E&OE means jack. (errors and ommisions exempt for those of you wondering). If a mistake is made on a document they have to honour it still. They just put that on so people thing that they can't do anything about errors or mistakes. Trust me, my company uses E&OE all the time, but if we ever did make a mistake, like under charged someone on an invoice, and they chased it up, they would find that we can't change things. If you offer something for sale you must sell it at the written price agreed. You cannot change the price afterwards. The only thing they could do is withdraw the car from sale and that has to be for a certain period of time, cant remember how long.

Er.'fraid that is not correct. The price on an item is an invitation to trade. If a retailer incorrectly prices an item and realises it at the point of sale they are perfectly within their rights to withdraw it from sale. That's the situation under English law anyway(see Misleading Prices - Consumer Protection Act 1987). If a retailer incorrectly advertises an item for sale and then refuses to honour the price you are within your rights to report them to the Trading Standards people who may investigate it and take further action if they feel their was a deliberate attempt to mislead.

marrsbar · Nov 17th, 2004, 04:17 PM

You can withdraw something from sale, that is correct. Incidently, there is a period that you must keep the item off the market before you can reprice it too, I can't remember how long. BUT, when you have entered into a sale ie, given an invoice, you have entered a contract, you cannot change the price after that.....

aphix · Nov 17th, 2004, 07:10 PM

Not on a new Cooper S. Put it this way, if you work for BMW (as my brother does) you can get staff discount on any car in the BMW range.... APART from the Cooper S

Rob

AMT · Nov 18th, 2004, 11:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by aphix

Not on a new Cooper S. Put it this way, if you work for BMW (as my brother does) you can get staff discount on any car in the BMW range.... APART from the Cooper S

Rob

Really? How much is the staff discount?

aphix · Nov 18th, 2004, 12:03 PM

I really dont know, i think it depends on the car, and probaly the staff members position. (it may not though)

Even if i did know

i dont think it would be right for me to say

Rob

cfranklin · Nov 18th, 2004, 12:56 PM

10% that staff get. On a BMW its 17% a mini is somewhere in the middle!!!

Hat · Nov 18th, 2004, 01:01 PM

i got a £100 discount but this was agreed before they invoiced me. i'd be surprised if theyve knocked £100 off without telling you & if its a mistake, they'll spot it eventually

Sep 1st, 2004, 12:34 PM	#1
NightFox Happy Happy Joy Joy Join Date: Jun 2004 Local Time: 12:41 PM Posts: 130 Offline	Can it be… A DISCOUNT??? I’ve just changed my MCS spec again (added xenons), and my dealer’s just sent me the revised paperwork to sign. However, right at the end of the spec it now says: Code: NEWDISC Description: Special Allowance Price: -85.11 VAT: C VAT amount: -14.89 Total: -100.00 Yes, that’s minus £100! Now it definitely didn’t say this on my old paperwork, and I don’t want to ring my dealer in case they say “oh yes, sorry, our mistake, we’ll add that £100 back on immediately”. But have I actually just been given a £100 discount without even asking? Does anyone know what NEWDISC / Special Allowance actually means? Maybe they were just trying to distract me from the fact that the "Estimated Delivery Date" on the paperwork has slipped another week to 15th October NightFox http://nogginthenog.co.uk/misc/nfmini.jpg Oct 04 = ‘05 MCS (Black over BEP) :: Graco Cosmic (Urban Cool) :: BébéConfort Loola/Creatis (New Oxygen)

Sep 1st, 2004, 12:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hickster E's H2B My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The SOUTH Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 7,375 Offline	I think it just a code to cover dealer discounts. I had a £120 discount when I had my cooper 18 months ago - that was free TLC and £20 off bonnet stripes but I did have to haggle for the £20 D-lite-full

Sep 1st, 2004, 12:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
NightFox Happy Happy Joy Joy Join Date: Jun 2004 Local Time: 12:41 PM Posts: 130 Offline	Guess it could be free TLC - Whatever it is though, it's a bit of a nice surprise getting something for nothing without even asking! Especially as they haven't even told me about it. I just hope the old "E&OE" doesn't come into play... NightFox http://nogginthenog.co.uk/misc/nfmini.jpg Oct 04 = ‘05 MCS (Black over BEP) :: Graco Cosmic (Urban Cool) :: BébéConfort Loola/Creatis (New Oxygen)

Sep 1st, 2004, 04:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
cook1e MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fleet, Hampshire, UK Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 639 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by NightFox I’ve just changed my MCS spec again (added xenons), and my dealer’s just sent me the revised paperwork to sign. However, right at the end of the spec it now says: Code: NEWDISC Description: Special Allowance Price: -85.11 VAT: C VAT amount: -14.89 Total: -100.00 Yes, that’s minus £100! Now it definitely didn’t say this on my old paperwork, and I don’t want to ring my dealer in case they say “oh yes, sorry, our mistake, we’ll add that £100 back on immediately”. But have I actually just been given a £100 discount without even asking? Does anyone know what NEWDISC / Special Allowance actually means? Maybe they were just trying to distract me from the fact that the "Estimated Delivery Date" on the paperwork has slipped another week to 15th October Had special allowance on my invoice too, but was told by the dealer not to let anyone know how much, lets just say it was quite a bit more than £100- though. I only got this by obtaining a written quote from another dealer who offer my firm a corporate discount and then getting my local dealer to match the discount if they wanted a sale. The sales guy had to call his boss to get permission but at the end of the day they couldn't do much other than price match if they wanted a sale Cook1e http://cars.cookiehome.co.uk/ 2,000 Miles Round Britain in 48 Hoours in a 37 year old Classic car, Please Sponsor me:- http://www.rbrr.cookiehome.co.uk

Sep 1st, 2004, 07:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
andyupnorth MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Newcastle Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 781 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by marrsbar E&OE means jack. (errors and ommisions exempt for those of you wondering). If a mistake is made on a document they have to honour it still. They just put that on so people thing that they can't do anything about errors or mistakes. Trust me, my company uses E&OE all the time, but if we ever did make a mistake, like under charged someone on an invoice, and they chased it up, they would find that we can't change things. If you offer something for sale you must sell it at the written price agreed. You cannot change the price afterwards. The only thing they could do is withdraw the car from sale and that has to be for a certain period of time, cant remember how long. Er.'fraid that is not correct. The price on an item is an invitation to trade. If a retailer incorrectly prices an item and realises it at the point of sale they are perfectly within their rights to withdraw it from sale. That's the situation under English law anyway(see Misleading Prices - Consumer Protection Act 1987). If a retailer incorrectly advertises an item for sale and then refuses to honour the price you are within your rights to report them to the Trading Standards people who may investigate it and take further action if they feel their was a deliberate attempt to mislead. "Do try to keep up Nigel!"

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Sep 1st, 2004, 12:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chester Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 9,434 Offline	Bargain-Maybe they giving you Free TLC? Do all the other figure/options add up correctly?

Sep 1st, 2004, 01:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
hunkey dorey 'MINI' or 'MAXI'??! Join Date: Apr 2004 Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 397 Offline	the words "DISCOUNT" and "BMW" don't quite fit together.... ....think is prob TLC or a simple mistake (prop the latter knowing BMW!!)

Sep 1st, 2004, 03:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
AMT MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 462 Offline	I got free TLC after asking for some money off. So did three of my friends - dealer was happy to discount the £100 every time. Later I got £200 for recommending a friend (although I think this was a special offer unique to my dealership).

Sep 1st, 2004, 07:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
marrsbar MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 12:41 PM Posts: 444 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by NightFox Guess it could be free TLC - Whatever it is though, it's a bit of a nice surprise getting something for nothing without even asking! Especially as they haven't even told me about it. I just hope the old "E&OE" doesn't come into play... E&OE means jack. (errors and ommisions exempt for those of you wondering). If a mistake is made on a document they have to honour it still. They just put that on so people thing that they can't do anything about errors or mistakes. Trust me, my company uses E&OE all the time, but if we ever did make a mistake, like under charged someone on an invoice, and they chased it up, they would find that we can't change things. If you offer something for sale you must sell it at the written price agreed. You cannot change the price afterwards. The only thing they could do is withdraw the car from sale and that has to be for a certain period of time, cant remember how long.

Nov 17th, 2004, 04:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
marrsbar MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 12:41 PM Posts: 444 Offline	You can withdraw something from sale, that is correct. Incidently, there is a period that you must keep the item off the market before you can reprice it too, I can't remember how long. BUT, when you have entered into a sale ie, given an invoice, you have entered a contract, you cannot change the price after that.....

Nov 17th, 2004, 07:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
aphix MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Surrey Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 330 Offline	Not on a new Cooper S. Put it this way, if you work for BMW (as my brother does) you can get staff discount on any car in the BMW range.... APART from the Cooper S Rob 2004 Cooper - Indi Blue, White Roof, Aero Kit, Driving Lights, Harman Kardon. - SOLD :Flash Red: SEAT Leon Cupra R - woooosh

Nov 18th, 2004, 11:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
AMT MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 462 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by aphix Not on a new Cooper S. Put it this way, if you work for BMW (as my brother does) you can get staff discount on any car in the BMW range.... APART from the Cooper S Rob Really? How much is the staff discount?

Nov 18th, 2004, 12:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
aphix MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Surrey Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 330 Offline	I really dont know, i think it depends on the car, and probaly the staff members position. (it may not though) Even if i did know i dont think it would be right for me to say Rob 2004 Cooper - Indi Blue, White Roof, Aero Kit, Driving Lights, Harman Kardon. - SOLD :Flash Red: SEAT Leon Cupra R - woooosh

Nov 18th, 2004, 12:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
cfranklin MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 134 Offline	Its over ........... 10% that staff get. On a BMW its 17% a mini is somewhere in the middle!!!

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Nov 18th, 2004, 01:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 01:41 PM Posts: 15,800 Offline	i got a £100 discount but this was agreed before they invoiced me. i'd be surprised if theyve knocked £100 off without telling you & if its a mistake, they'll spot it eventually

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