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Hat · Sep 17th, 2004, 11:34 AM

another sad day for the UK car industry

Quote:

Car production is to end at Jaguar's historic Brown's Lane factory in Coventry but some work will continue there, parent firm Ford has confirmed.

The assembly of Jaguar models will transfer to the nearby Castle Bromwich plant, with 400 voluntary redundancies.

Many of Brown's Lane's 2,500 workers will move to Castle Bromwich but 310 staff will remain in Coventry to make wood finishes for Jaguar models.

Ford also said Jaguar would pull out of Formula One at the end of the season.

About 750 jobs will be lost as a whole across the Jaguar Group, Ford said.

"This is a huge emotional blow to Coventry," said Nick Matthews of the Warwick Manufacturing Group at Warwick University.

"Jaguar is in Coventry's DNA and vice versa. It is like losing a friend or a member of family."

Jay Nagley, an analyst at Spyder Automotive, said the factory's closure would have "big implications" for the rest of Jaguar's UK operations, casting doubt over the future of its Castle Bromwich factory. "Their production figures are simply not high enough," he said.

full story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3664850.stm

Hat · Sep 17th, 2004, 11:35 AM

also...

Quote:

Jaguar is pulling its team out of Formula One at the end of this season.
The company made the announcement on Friday as part of a major shake-up by parent company Ford.

Jaguar chairman Joe Greenwell said: "Ford has decided it can no longer make a compelling business case for any of its brands to compete in F1."

Reports suggest Tony Purnell, head of Ford's premier performance division, is putting together a bid to buy Jaguar's Formula One operation.

Jaguar's F1 businesses are now up for sale, and the future of the Ford rally team remains uncertain despite their decent performances in this year's WRC.

ButtonIt · Sep 17th, 2004, 11:41 AM

Oh dear

What once were masterpieces of British engineering, Marques that many could only dream of owning, now being sold out to mass producing cheapo countries

There is no British car industry any more

wibbly · Sep 17th, 2004, 11:46 AM

Just the same as everything else in the UK..... Sold out to cheaper sourcing (India/China) for the sake of £profit.....

Happening in all forms of UK Industry, and is a very sad day and another nail in British Industry fullstop...

HarryHBMCC · Sep 17th, 2004, 12:15 PM

Most Jags lately have been disappointing anyways, some obviously just tarted up Ford Tauruses. Slow death for the brand started a long time ago.

Harry

scooperman_uk · Sep 17th, 2004, 12:20 PM

i know.

heard on the radio at lunchtime an interview with the guy responsible for Ford motorsport. Apparently "formula one Team Jaguar" is now for sale. anyone fancy it? perhaps we could get a consortium from MINI2

Also the team manager of the "WRC Ford rally team" said they wont be racing next season.

Other concerns will be placed upon teams outside of the "ford spectrum" by the stopping of the "cosworth" brand engine. From now on Ford will no longer be subsidising the supply of engines.

bad knews i think...

Willy · Sep 17th, 2004, 02:22 PM

That is sad news

Folks over on this side of the pond who love British cars hate to hear that.

It seems like some of the Jaguars, like the X Type are not really true Jaguars. They cost the same as a BMW or a Mercedes, but they fall short mechanically and dont have that uniqueness that had made Jaguars so desireble.

The Jaguar F1 team has always been my favorite underdog team. If the Jaguar F1 car was not fast, it always looked good trying!

MINILLA · Sep 17th, 2004, 02:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Willy

That is sad news

Folks over on this side of the pond who love British cars hate to hear that.

It seems like some of the Jaguars, like the X Type are not really true Jaguars. They cost the same as a BMW or a Mercedes, but they fall short mechanically and dont have that uniqueness that had made Jaguars so desireble.

The Jaguar F1 team has always been my favorite underdog team. If the Jaguar F1 car was not fast, it always looked good trying!

The X-Type Jaguar is a great car, I recently drove one, along with an SR and an XJR at Summit Point Raceway. The X-Type with all time 4 wheel drive is truly amazing and beats the best of what other makers can produce. To say it's "not a true Jag" is plain Poppycock!

Willy · Sep 17th, 2004, 02:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINILLA

The X-Type Jaguar is a great car, I recently drove one, along with an SR and an XJR at Summit Point Raceway. The X-Type with all time 4 wheel drive is truly amazing and beats the best of what other makers can produce. To say it's "not a true Jag" is plain Poppycock!

You are probably right, it is probably a good car, but unfortunately, many folks like HarryIndiblue see them as tarted up Ford Taurus's. Ford is going to have to change this perception.

Two of my friends looked at X-types, one ended up with an Audi A4 and the other with a BMW 3 Series. From thier comments, Ford did something wrong with the X-Type.

ButtonIt · Sep 17th, 2004, 02:57 PM

It's like picking up a nice looking bird and finding out she's an ex-whore. Looks nice enough on the surface...... you'd feel cheated

trialsride · Sep 17th, 2004, 03:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ButtonIt

It's like picking up a nice looking bird and finding out she's an ex-whore. Looks nice enough on the surface...... you'd feel cheated

Interesting analogy

MINILLA · Sep 17th, 2004, 03:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ButtonIt

It's like picking up a nice looking bird and finding out she's an ex-whore. Looks nice enough on the surface...... you'd feel cheated

What's wrong with an ex-whore? Thoroughly road tested and proven to have endurance along with some interesting moves!

SoggyCornFlakes · Sep 17th, 2004, 03:20 PM

apparently cosworth is up for sale too

BRGreenie · Sep 17th, 2004, 03:21 PM

Didn't see this thread before I started this

http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71479

Great shame since I guess the product planners saw MINI buyers as potential X Type buyers of the future - but even someone like me who loves the Jag history could not see myself in an X type. Why? Well the styling didn't help - talk about staid - it looked like an odd boil-down on an XJ6 ( not good for the young market ) and the feeling that it was a Mondeo wearing a party frock didn't help.

A freind bought one and was pleased with it - but it didn't feel very special inside despite the leather and wood - it felt like a top of the range Ford...

A real shame

BRGreenie · Sep 17th, 2004, 03:25 PM

Great shame that

Nice motor though

LMB · Sep 17th, 2004, 03:27 PM

I recently applied for a job at Jaguar. It's not looking promising.

Hat · Sep 17th, 2004, 05:55 PM

now thats bad timing mo!

they should have made this

lespurgeon · Sep 17th, 2004, 08:24 PM

Oh Hat, luv that concept car.

What I've long thought is they should bring back the XK130. Put all new mechanicals in the thing (heck steal everythign from the Ford Focus for all I care) and as close to match body as the old 130, along with nice leather and a real wood dash. That I would buy, for the same reason I bought a MINI - looks great and would be very fun.

BRGreenie · Sep 17th, 2004, 09:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lespurgeon

Oh Hat, luv that concept car.

What I've long thought is they should bring back the XK130. Put all new mechanicals in the thing (heck steal everythign from the Ford Focus for all I care) and as close to match body as the old 130, along with nice leather and a real wood dash. That I would buy, for the same reason I bought a MINI - looks great and would be very fun.

Looks like you summed up what they should be doing perfectly Les!

But my cynical side thinks that the next Jag will be a re badged Lincoln SUV built in Detroit ( maybe they recon they want to cover the sporty SUV market segment!!!

SteveM3 · Sep 17th, 2004, 10:58 PM

Not making Jags at Browns Lane is sad news and completely unexpected to me. I hope
TVR aren't moving to new premises outside Moscow. Dumping F1 is 2 years too late, what
sort of publicity do you get as also rans amongst the also rans? Better late than never
though. Big mistake by Ford IMHO opinion is using so much from the Mondeo in the X-type.
It doesn't matter that the end product is different there is enough truth for the knockers to
claim it's a Ford to hurt image which is a big selling point in this territory. Then when they
started selling front wheel drive Jags that was an insult to Jaguar engineering. I drove an
X-type at their launch and thought it wasn't refined or comfortable enough to claim much
Jaguar DNA in it. The engine may look good on paper but was totally outclassed by the
rival BMW 3 litre six. It was a nice car despite that though but just not a Jag. Still without
Ford maybe this closure of the production line would have come sooner and the XJ and XK8
are still classic Jags. If they had made the F-type, even more beautiful in the flesh than that
very good picture, they could have named their price.

Sep 17th, 2004, 11:34 AM	#1
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 15,866 Offline	Jaguar ends car production in Coventry & withdraws from Formula 1 another sad day for the UK car industry Quote: Car production is to end at Jaguar's historic Brown's Lane factory in Coventry but some work will continue there, parent firm Ford has confirmed. The assembly of Jaguar models will transfer to the nearby Castle Bromwich plant, with 400 voluntary redundancies. Many of Brown's Lane's 2,500 workers will move to Castle Bromwich but 310 staff will remain in Coventry to make wood finishes for Jaguar models. Ford also said Jaguar would pull out of Formula One at the end of the season. About 750 jobs will be lost as a whole across the Jaguar Group, Ford said. "This is a huge emotional blow to Coventry," said Nick Matthews of the Warwick Manufacturing Group at Warwick University. "Jaguar is in Coventry's DNA and vice versa. It is like losing a friend or a member of family." Jay Nagley, an analyst at Spyder Automotive, said the factory's closure would have "big implications" for the rest of Jaguar's UK operations, casting doubt over the future of its Castle Bromwich factory. "Their production figures are simply not high enough," he said. full story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3664850.stm

Sep 17th, 2004, 11:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
ButtonIt The Disorganiser My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Waiting for others Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 15,546 Offline	Oh dear What once were masterpieces of British engineering, Marques that many could only dream of owning, now being sold out to mass producing cheapo countries There is no British car industry any more Sponsor our Rickshaw team, please click here for info

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wibbly In my Classic Mk 1 :) Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 6,565 Offline	Just the same as everything else in the UK..... Sold out to cheaper sourcing (India/China) for the sake of £profit..... Happening in all forms of UK Industry, and is a very sad day and another nail in British Industry fullstop... \| MINIaddiction \| \| For MIDLANDS Folk in their MINI's \|

Sep 17th, 2004, 12:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 11:09 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	Most Jags lately have been disappointing anyways, some obviously just tarted up Ford Tauruses. Slow death for the brand started a long time ago. Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

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scooperman_uk almost 59k Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reading / Berks / Uk Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 5,242 Offline	hear it on the radio today too i know. heard on the radio at lunchtime an interview with the guy responsible for Ford motorsport. Apparently "formula one Team Jaguar" is now for sale. anyone fancy it? perhaps we could get a consortium from MINI2 Also the team manager of the "WRC Ford rally team" said they wont be racing next season. Other concerns will be placed upon teams outside of the "ford spectrum" by the stopping of the "cosworth" brand engine. From now on Ford will no longer be subsidising the supply of engines. bad knews i think...

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Sep 17th, 2004, 11:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 15,866 Offline	also... Quote: Jaguar is pulling its team out of Formula One at the end of this season. The company made the announcement on Friday as part of a major shake-up by parent company Ford. Jaguar chairman Joe Greenwell said: "Ford has decided it can no longer make a compelling business case for any of its brands to compete in F1." Reports suggest Tony Purnell, head of Ford's premier performance division, is putting together a bid to buy Jaguar's Formula One operation. Jaguar's F1 businesses are now up for sale, and the future of the Ford rally team remains uncertain despite their decent performances in this year's WRC.

Sep 17th, 2004, 02:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
Willy MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Running From The Law Local Time: 12:09 AM Posts: 2,387 Offline	That is sad news Folks over on this side of the pond who love British cars hate to hear that. It seems like some of the Jaguars, like the X Type are not really true Jaguars. They cost the same as a BMW or a Mercedes, but they fall short mechanically and dont have that uniqueness that had made Jaguars so desireble. The Jaguar F1 team has always been my favorite underdog team. If the Jaguar F1 car was not fast, it always looked good trying! http://billlawrence.blogspot.com

Sep 17th, 2004, 02:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
MINILLA MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Culpeper, VA Local Time: 12:09 AM Posts: 180 Offline	Once a Jaguar always a Jaguar Quote: Originally Posted by Willy That is sad news Folks over on this side of the pond who love British cars hate to hear that. It seems like some of the Jaguars, like the X Type are not really true Jaguars. They cost the same as a BMW or a Mercedes, but they fall short mechanically and dont have that uniqueness that had made Jaguars so desireble. The Jaguar F1 team has always been my favorite underdog team. If the Jaguar F1 car was not fast, it always looked good trying! The X-Type Jaguar is a great car, I recently drove one, along with an SR and an XJR at Summit Point Raceway. The X-Type with all time 4 wheel drive is truly amazing and beats the best of what other makers can produce. To say it's "not a true Jag" is plain Poppycock!

Sep 17th, 2004, 02:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
Willy MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Running From The Law Local Time: 12:09 AM Posts: 2,387 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINILLA The X-Type Jaguar is a great car, I recently drove one, along with an SR and an XJR at Summit Point Raceway. The X-Type with all time 4 wheel drive is truly amazing and beats the best of what other makers can produce. To say it's "not a true Jag" is plain Poppycock! You are probably right, it is probably a good car, but unfortunately, many folks like HarryIndiblue see them as tarted up Ford Taurus's. Ford is going to have to change this perception. Two of my friends looked at X-types, one ended up with an Audi A4 and the other with a BMW 3 Series. From thier comments, Ford did something wrong with the X-Type. http://billlawrence.blogspot.com

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ButtonIt The Disorganiser My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Waiting for others Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 15,546 Offline	It's like picking up a nice looking bird and finding out she's an ex-whore. Looks nice enough on the surface...... you'd feel cheated Sponsor our Rickshaw team, please click here for info

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trialsride MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Berkshire Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 191 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ButtonIt It's like picking up a nice looking bird and finding out she's an ex-whore. Looks nice enough on the surface...... you'd feel cheated Interesting analogy

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MINILLA MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Culpeper, VA Local Time: 12:09 AM Posts: 180 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ButtonIt It's like picking up a nice looking bird and finding out she's an ex-whore. Looks nice enough on the surface...... you'd feel cheated What's wrong with an ex-whore? Thoroughly road tested and proven to have endurance along with some interesting moves!

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SoggyCornFlakes Awwww %%%% it! My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northampton Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 33,019 Offline	apparently cosworth is up for sale too Cotswolds 6, you sixy thing you, come join the fun MINI2 Charity Ball 2009 ....... Global Moderator

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BRGreenie Warning! Armed with Volvo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW London Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 1,244 Offline	Didn't see this thread before I started this http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71479 Great shame since I guess the product planners saw MINI buyers as potential X Type buyers of the future - but even someone like me who loves the Jag history could not see myself in an X type. Why? Well the styling didn't help - talk about staid - it looked like an odd boil-down on an XJ6 ( not good for the young market ) and the feeling that it was a Mondeo wearing a party frock didn't help. A freind bought one and was pleased with it - but it didn't feel very special inside despite the leather and wood - it felt like a top of the range Ford... A real shame BRGreenie ... --- ...

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BRGreenie Warning! Armed with Volvo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW London Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 1,244 Offline	Great shame that Nice motor though Attached Thumbnails BRGreenie ... --- ...

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Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 15,866 Offline	now thats bad timing mo! they should have made this

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lespurgeon Off changing a nappy... Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: HI, USA Local Time: 06:09 PM Posts: 1,070 Offline	Oh Hat, luv that concept car. What I've long thought is they should bring back the XK130. Put all new mechanicals in the thing (heck steal everythign from the Ford Focus for all I care) and as close to match body as the old 130, along with nice leather and a real wood dash. That I would buy, for the same reason I bought a MINI - looks great and would be very fun.

Sep 17th, 2004, 09:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
BRGreenie Warning! Armed with Volvo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW London Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 1,244 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by lespurgeon Oh Hat, luv that concept car. What I've long thought is they should bring back the XK130. Put all new mechanicals in the thing (heck steal everythign from the Ford Focus for all I care) and as close to match body as the old 130, along with nice leather and a real wood dash. That I would buy, for the same reason I bought a MINI - looks great and would be very fun. Looks like you summed up what they should be doing perfectly Les! But my cynical side thinks that the next Jag will be a re badged Lincoln SUV built in Detroit ( maybe they recon they want to cover the sporty SUV market segment!!! BRGreenie ... --- ...

Sep 17th, 2004, 10:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
SteveM3 MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malmesbury, Wilts Local Time: 05:09 AM Posts: 1,791 Offline	Not making Jags at Browns Lane is sad news and completely unexpected to me. I hope TVR aren't moving to new premises outside Moscow. Dumping F1 is 2 years too late, what sort of publicity do you get as also rans amongst the also rans? Better late than never though. Big mistake by Ford IMHO opinion is using so much from the Mondeo in the X-type. It doesn't matter that the end product is different there is enough truth for the knockers to claim it's a Ford to hurt image which is a big selling point in this territory. Then when they started selling front wheel drive Jags that was an insult to Jaguar engineering. I drove an X-type at their launch and thought it wasn't refined or comfortable enough to claim much Jaguar DNA in it. The engine may look good on paper but was totally outclassed by the rival BMW 3 litre six. It was a nice car despite that though but just not a Jag. Still without Ford maybe this closure of the production line would have come sooner and the XJ and XK8 are still classic Jags. If they had made the F-type, even more beautiful in the flesh than that very good picture, they could have named their price. Some people are like a Slinky ........ not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs

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