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ice · Jul 22nd, 2003, 08:36 PM

Jeff at Autotechnic is offering a group rate of $350 installed for five or more. Who's down for this?

GMINI · Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:10 PM

Holy crap that is an AMAZING PRICE!!! He did not mention it yesterday when i saw him. They're closed for the week. I was going to hold out til i had the cash for an ecu upgrade, and my warranty expiration, but this is very tempting...

Especially after i testdrove X2Board's. Mmmm that's good power.

Whose pulley are they offering?

DUCTTAPE · Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:08 AM

I think I might be interested, where is he at?

GMINI · Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:10 AM

Have you ever been to New Milford, CT? If you went up Rte 7 to 202 last Sunday, you motored right past it. It's at the intersection of those two roads.

jcsinnh · Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:23 AM

More info please, Mr. Ice

ice · Jul 23rd, 2003, 01:57 PM

He is researching which pulley will be best for him. If you have been looking, they are all the same. Two or three piece design, hardened steel inserts, 15% reduction in size, etc. So Jeff is looking into installation issues and what price he can get. He will give us the info as it becomes available.

G- The reason he didn't discuss it with you is because I saw someone posted a group buy on pulleys in the Boston area on one of these sites with a price of $400. I wasn't impressed with that price so I gave our buddy Jeff a call. He came out with the $350. That is something that I will likely jump at. The nice folks at BMW said the pulley is cool. Not that they would honor the warranty of something happened to the supercharger but they believe it is a very safe way to get a definite boost.

ice · Jul 23rd, 2003, 01:58 PM

By the way, how much did X2board and koolmini pay for theirs?

GMINI · Jul 23rd, 2003, 02:12 PM

I believe the figure was $440, ice. The reason I asked was because I read an interesting web piece (a thread?) on the types of pulleys available. They differ mostly by material and fastening mechanism. A very interesting read, though it's all out my head now. I'm trying to dig it up. I think the Alta and H&R were featured.

jcsinnh · Jul 23rd, 2003, 03:57 PM

NB Brad says "nice folks at BMW". Does that mean the busted bee will be mended?

ice · Jul 23rd, 2003, 04:08 PM

Still no word. Today is day 11.

jcsinnh · Jul 23rd, 2003, 04:24 PM

Ugh!!!!

Give the word, big guy, and the posse will be formed.

I think I am serious about the pulley but I think they are different in the ways G stated, also in installation technique/complexity. Then again, I just found out all about planetary sumthings in transmissions on my other car so my life savings might be headed thataway.....

ice · Jul 23rd, 2003, 08:46 PM

Okay, the details are in and the price went up. We need eight buyers to get $400 each installed. It would be the Madness pulley.

MINIAC · Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:16 PM

Some food for thought on the pulley choice:

Quote:

Originally posted by RandyBMC

There are two basic types of pulleys. Here are the pros and cons of each:

New taper bore design

Pros:
No heat required for the installation on the supercharger
Capped end prevents installation problems with belt alignment
All stainless steel

Cons:
Heavier than the other style

Interference fit design

Pros:
Lighter weight
Interchangable sizes available (but why you would really need this is up for debate)

Cons:
Heat is required to get the new hub on the shaft - so care has to be taken to cool the hub ASAP to prevent damage to the shaft seal
Alignment is a one shot deal, and there is no stop to prevent the hub from going on too far or not far enough

Testing has been done on both units to determine the torque required to spin on the shaft, and the taper bore actually has a higher torque rating, but both are well above anywhere close to the load on the pulley - the belt would slip way before the pulley would on the shaft.

Interference fit is used in several other applications - including the stock set-up - without slip issues. I would be concerned about the orginal interference pulley that used to be available (no longer on the market) that is all aluminum. This has to do with the different thermal expansion rates of steel and aluminum and may cause issues over time. The new designs all use steel hubs.

Taper bores are used on numerous industrial applications where direct torque loads are carried at sustained RPMs - much more grueling than the application we have in our Eaton M45s.

I think what I'm saying is, they are both good products - I'd be happy to help you make the right decision based on what your needs are.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Randy
720-841-1002

The Alta pulley is taper fit while the Madness pulley is interference fit. The Alta pulley is about $40 cheaper than the Madness pulley, and sounds like it's "safer" to install.

jcsinnh · Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:30 PM

Just when I get very confused, Randy pops up with wisdom and non-selfserving advice. I think the man needs a trip to, say, Cape Cod or someplace...

GMINI · Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:46 PM

I think the man has good reason to plan otherwise. There are way too many shops and producers in this area. I'd encourage him to come, as he's got by far the greatest number of successful MINI pulley installations under his belt.

MINIAC · Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GMINI

I think the man has good reason to plan otherwise. There are way too many shops and producers in this area. I'd encourage him to come, as he's got by far the greatest number of successful MINI pulley installations under his belt.

Randy is doing a group install in Atlanta this weekend and then won't be doing anymore until October or November.

The only intention of my previous post was to point out that installing the Alta pulley might be less "stressful" for Jeff at Autotechnic, in that there's no worries regarding mis-aligning the pulley or damaging the supercharger seal with a heated pulley hub.

jcsinnh · Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:45 PM

But G, the guy is a wizard and, important to me, likes ultralights. We don't want to change his hat size but I have spoken with him re ignition wires and this guy KNOWS, no flash, he just KNOWS. But we digress....count me out, Brad and sorry but Lady M says fix the Buick

KatanaPilot · Jul 24th, 2003, 12:57 AM

I am planning on having Randy install a pully for me if my car gets here in time for Randy's trip to Cape Cod.
and Randy charges $400 for a pully install.

GMINI · Jul 24th, 2003, 02:05 AM

Oh so he is coming to CApe Cod? When?

pezboy · Jul 24th, 2003, 05:40 AM

John,

http://www.minicooperonline.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&ac tion=viewtopic&topic=12695&41

Jul 22nd, 2003, 08:36 PM	#1
ice MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2003 Location: Connecticut Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 933 Offline	Group buy on pulley Jeff at Autotechnic is offering a group rate of $350 installed for five or more. Who's down for this?

Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 05:04 AM Posts: 7,173 Offline	Holy crap that is an AMAZING PRICE!!! He did not mention it yesterday when i saw him. They're closed for the week. I was going to hold out til i had the cash for an ecu upgrade, and my warranty expiration, but this is very tempting... Especially after i testdrove X2Board's. Mmmm that's good power. Whose pulley are they offering? NY/NE Mod

Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
DUCTTAPE Only Unbalanced Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockland County, NY Local Time: 05:04 AM Posts: 883 Offline	I think I might be interested, where is he at? "G-d Speed, Ed" Ya'all come on by now, ya hear! \| Hudson Bay Run - 2005

Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 05:04 AM Posts: 7,173 Offline	Have you ever been to New Milford, CT? If you went up Rte 7 to 202 last Sunday, you motored right past it. It's at the intersection of those two roads. NY/NE Mod

Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
jcsinnh MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fools & tools proof Local Time: 04:04 AM Posts: 4,856 Offline	More info please, Mr. Ice Lawdy, Lawdy, the Cross I bear.

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Jul 23rd, 2003, 01:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
ice MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2003 Location: Connecticut Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 933 Offline	He is researching which pulley will be best for him. If you have been looking, they are all the same. Two or three piece design, hardened steel inserts, 15% reduction in size, etc. So Jeff is looking into installation issues and what price he can get. He will give us the info as it becomes available. G- The reason he didn't discuss it with you is because I saw someone posted a group buy on pulleys in the Boston area on one of these sites with a price of $400. I wasn't impressed with that price so I gave our buddy Jeff a call. He came out with the $350. That is something that I will likely jump at. The nice folks at BMW said the pulley is cool. Not that they would honor the warranty of something happened to the supercharger but they believe it is a very safe way to get a definite boost.

Jul 23rd, 2003, 01:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
ice MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2003 Location: Connecticut Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 933 Offline	By the way, how much did X2board and koolmini pay for theirs? Click Here For Coolness 2003 LY/B JCW-S

Jul 23rd, 2003, 02:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 05:04 AM Posts: 7,173 Offline	I believe the figure was $440, ice. The reason I asked was because I read an interesting web piece (a thread?) on the types of pulleys available. They differ mostly by material and fastening mechanism. A very interesting read, though it's all out my head now. I'm trying to dig it up. I think the Alta and H&R were featured. NY/NE Mod

Jul 23rd, 2003, 03:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
jcsinnh MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fools & tools proof Local Time: 04:04 AM Posts: 4,856 Offline	NB Brad says "nice folks at BMW". Does that mean the busted bee will be mended? Lawdy, Lawdy, the Cross I bear.

Jul 23rd, 2003, 04:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
ice MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2003 Location: Connecticut Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 933 Offline	Still no word. Today is day 11. Click Here For Coolness 2003 LY/B JCW-S

Jul 23rd, 2003, 04:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
jcsinnh MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fools & tools proof Local Time: 04:04 AM Posts: 4,856 Offline	Ugh!!!! Give the word, big guy, and the posse will be formed. I think I am serious about the pulley but I think they are different in the ways G stated, also in installation technique/complexity. Then again, I just found out all about planetary sumthings in transmissions on my other car so my life savings might be headed thataway..... Lawdy, Lawdy, the Cross I bear.

Jul 23rd, 2003, 08:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
ice MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2003 Location: Connecticut Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 933 Offline	Okay, the details are in and the price went up. We need eight buyers to get $400 each installed. It would be the Madness pulley.

Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 02:04 AM Posts: 8,161 Offline	Some food for thought on the pulley choice: Quote: Originally posted by RandyBMC There are two basic types of pulleys. Here are the pros and cons of each: New taper bore design Pros: No heat required for the installation on the supercharger Capped end prevents installation problems with belt alignment All stainless steel Cons: Heavier than the other style Interference fit design Pros: Lighter weight Interchangable sizes available (but why you would really need this is up for debate) Cons: Heat is required to get the new hub on the shaft - so care has to be taken to cool the hub ASAP to prevent damage to the shaft seal Alignment is a one shot deal, and there is no stop to prevent the hub from going on too far or not far enough Testing has been done on both units to determine the torque required to spin on the shaft, and the taper bore actually has a higher torque rating, but both are well above anywhere close to the load on the pulley - the belt would slip way before the pulley would on the shaft. Interference fit is used in several other applications - including the stock set-up - without slip issues. I would be concerned about the orginal interference pulley that used to be available (no longer on the market) that is all aluminum. This has to do with the different thermal expansion rates of steel and aluminum and may cause issues over time. The new designs all use steel hubs. Taper bores are used on numerous industrial applications where direct torque loads are carried at sustained RPMs - much more grueling than the application we have in our Eaton M45s. I think what I'm saying is, they are both good products - I'd be happy to help you make the right decision based on what your needs are. Let me know if you have any other questions. Randy 720-841-1002 The Alta pulley is taper fit while the Madness pulley is interference fit. The Alta pulley is about $40 cheaper than the Madness pulley, and sounds like it's "safer" to install.

Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
jcsinnh MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fools & tools proof Local Time: 04:04 AM Posts: 4,856 Offline	Just when I get very confused, Randy pops up with wisdom and non-selfserving advice. I think the man needs a trip to, say, Cape Cod or someplace... Lawdy, Lawdy, the Cross I bear.

Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 05:04 AM Posts: 7,173 Offline	I think the man has good reason to plan otherwise. There are way too many shops and producers in this area. I'd encourage him to come, as he's got by far the greatest number of successful MINI pulley installations under his belt. NY/NE Mod

Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 02:04 AM Posts: 8,161 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by GMINI I think the man has good reason to plan otherwise. There are way too many shops and producers in this area. I'd encourage him to come, as he's got by far the greatest number of successful MINI pulley installations under his belt. Randy is doing a group install in Atlanta this weekend and then won't be doing anymore until October or November. The only intention of my previous post was to point out that installing the Alta pulley might be less "stressful" for Jeff at Autotechnic, in that there's no worries regarding mis-aligning the pulley or damaging the supercharger seal with a heated pulley hub.

Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
jcsinnh MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fools & tools proof Local Time: 04:04 AM Posts: 4,856 Offline	But G, the guy is a wizard and, important to me, likes ultralights. We don't want to change his hat size but I have spoken with him re ignition wires and this guy KNOWS, no flash, he just KNOWS. But we digress....count me out, Brad and sorry but Lady M says fix the Buick Lawdy, Lawdy, the Cross I bear.

Jul 24th, 2003, 12:57 AM	#18 (permalink)
KatanaPilot MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Boston Local Time: 05:04 AM Posts: 222 Offline	I am planning on having Randy install a pully for me if my car gets here in time for Randy's trip to Cape Cod. and Randy charges $400 for a pully install.

Jul 24th, 2003, 02:05 AM	#19 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 05:04 AM Posts: 7,173 Offline	Oh so he is coming to CApe Cod? When? NY/NE Mod

Jul 24th, 2003, 05:40 AM	#20 (permalink)
pezboy heh...lame Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boston, MA Local Time: 05:04 AM Posts: 2,313 Offline	Randy's visit John, http://www.minicooperonline.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&ac tion=viewtopic&topic=12695&41 "Just keep heading into the wind. Don't let anything blow you over." Ed Smith / MaxaMini 6/14/05

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