[Leccy_Blue]

Quote: Originally Posted by Minirichc

ok im interested but im going to look into the company first, Not that i dont trust them i got to convince the other half .

It great value so id be mad to miss this.

Oh it the S conversion im looking at. and my friend "Agy" will be interested too, ill get him to post.

OK mate - I'll put your name down. Please can you PM or email me your full name, user name and daytime contact number - thanks.

If you want a bit more info on West Tuning you could try www.evo.co.uk as his 240bhp MCS featured in there magazine (type in West Tuning in the search button) - also Go Mini Apr/May edition has a write up on the company. As i mentioned in a previous post - Ray has worked alongside many car manufactures including Ferrari, BMW, Mercedes and Noble alond with various tuning houses - the man definately knows his stuff.

Cheers, LB.

[LMB]

Quote: Originally Posted by Leccy_Blue

Hi,

I'm sorry, but this offer is for fitted only - thats what makes it such a good deal. I hear what you're saying about travelling a great distant though - sometimes it's worth making a road trip to get a good deal - I've certainly done it in the past

Ray offers Koni shocks and eibach springs in his suspension packages but this is not covered by the group buy. He will supply and fit eibach springs for £285+vat. He does advise against koni shocks if you do a lot of road driving as the shocks are quite firm for daily use.

Cheers, LB.

£285+vat is A LOT. I can get them for £200 fitted inc vat.

[Leccy_Blue]

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB

£285+vat is A LOT. I can get them for £200 fitted inc vat.

As I mentioned earlier - this is NOT a group buy price. The group buy only covers Miltek exhausts, Brembo brakes and engine conversions. I was asked what price West Tuning would do the eibachs for and I found out a price. I suggest if you want eibachs and can get them for a cheaper price - then to do so.

LB.

[LMB]

That's fair enough.

Will he give a bigger % discount if we get things fitted ourself?

[Leccy_Blue]

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB

That's fair enough.

Will he give a bigger % discount if we get things fitted ourself?

Things like the Miltek and brakes are such a good deal because the fitting is included in the price. If you were to buy them and fit it yourself then I think I'm right in saying that they would be the same price. I'll confirm this with Ray tomorrow though.

LB.

[supercharged99]

i have had the pulley/remap.a sound investment. any discount on getting a larger THROTTLE BODY ??

cheers
clinton

[Leccy_Blue]

Quote: Originally Posted by supercharged99

i have had the pulley/remap.a sound investment. any discount on getting a larger THROTTLE BODY ??

cheers
clinton

Hi Clinton,

This group buy only covers the engine conversions, brakes and exhausts - so sorry, but no, there wouldn't be a discount on the enlarged throttle bodies. However, If you had bought the engine conversion from the group buy then I'm sure Ray would have knocked a few quid of the throttle body as well. Give him a call, he might be able to do you a deal seeing as you have already had the conversion.

So, how are you liking the 210/215bhp conversion? The conversion gives very good torque figures - more so than similar conversions. I can't wait to get mine

Cheers, LB.

[ASTON]

come on people get your name. we need a lot more to make this group buy work

[Leccy_Blue]

As ASTON said

These prices are extremely competitive. The nearest conversion in terms of power and torque of the West Tuning 210-215bhp conversion is the BBR 220 conversion and this is double the price This offer will never be repeated so why not take advantage of it.

Some people that have got new cars on order have asked whether it was OK to get the work carried out a few months down the line when they get their new car and also saved up a few more pennies - this is fine, as long as the £200 deposit is paid at the end of this group buy to secure it.

Just think - you could have another 50+ bhp on your MCS for just £725+vat or 30+bhp on your One/Diesel for just over £300+vat.

Don't forget about the Miltek exhausts and Brembo brakes.

Come on peeps, don't be shy........put your name down

Cheers, LB.

[pbonner]

How many do you have for the MCS conversion at the moment, also what does the price change to if you get more than 10?

As they do the 245 etc. kits I assume that you can upgrade in the future.

Finally, what colour is the Pulley (black would be better IMHO) and is it press-on or bolt fit?

Seem to remember some threads on here detailing the difference and saying which was better.

Thanks

[Leccy_Blue]

Quote: Originally Posted by pbonner

How many do you have for the MCS conversion at the moment, also what does the price change to if you get more than 10?

As they do the 245 etc. kits I assume that you can upgrade in the future.

Finally, what colour is the Pulley (black would be better IMHO) and is it press-on or bolt fit?

Seem to remember some threads on here detailing the difference and saying which was better.

Thanks

I have 4 people at the monent for the MCS 210/215bhp conversion. The price £725 is based on 20 people, the price would be around £799 for 10 people.

You can upgrade to the 245bhp kit in the future.

I don't know what colour or type the pulley is - I'll try to find out. I think it is silver though because I seem to remember seeing a picture of it in Go Mini.

I agree black would be better, but the pulleys are pretty well hidden - you would have to be specifically looking for it to see it.

Interested in any of the mods?

Cheers, LB.

[supercoopers]

They are black with West Tuning written on it. They have no belt lip nor are they interference fit like the aero-spec aluminium dural pulley on the BBR kit (they are press on). The pulley tensioner is not replaced either

Hope that outlines the difference and where your money is going.

Cheers,

Henry

[Leccy_Blue]

Quote: Originally Posted by supercoopers

They are black with West Tuning written on it. They have no belt lip nor are they interference fit like the aero-spec aluminium dural pulley on the BBR kit (they are press on). The pulley tensioner is not replaced either

Hope that outlines the difference and where your money is going.

Cheers,

Henry

Thanks....I think You know more about the pulley than I do. What are you saying though, is this pulley inferior to the BBR one. Just out of interest, how do you know the pulley tensioner is not replaced.

I am simply arranging this group buy, I'm no mechanic but what I can say with great certainty is that I have never heard a bad word against West Tuning conversions.

Cheers, LB.

[supercoopers]

Quote: Originally Posted by Leccy_Blue

Thanks....I think You know more about the pulley than I do. What are you saying though, is this pulley inferior to the BBR one. Just out of interest, how do you know the pulley tensioner is not replaced.

I am simply arranging this group buy, I'm no mechanic but what I can say with great certainty is that I have never heard a bad word against West Tuning conversions.

Cheers, LB.

LB,

I didn't mean to step on your toes mate () and so I hold a rounded and valuable opinion on each. Anyway, I have seen the West pulley in the flesh and I have to say in no uncertain terms that it is not as good quality as the BBR version. This is not IMHO it is fact, but then again I think that people should know this so that they can make an informed decision. What you are offering for the price appears good value and I commend your efforts organising this buy ( I wouldn't volunteer such an undertaking myself) but I just wanted to share my knowledge because I am very versed when it comes to MCS tuning options in the UK. If a major tuning company has a demo car, I have tried it, trust me

Anyway, the pulley itself is not such an issue. The BBR one does have a belt lip like the original to prevent belt slippage; this is a reliablility feature. The tensioner is not replaced by West tuning. BBR is the only firm that offers this mod, even though tensioners have been known to break in extreme testing and may bode badly for future reliablility. remeber that the Works pulley is 'only' 14.5% ish reduction as opposed to the West's 17%; JCG didn't deem it necessary to upgrade the tensioner with their pulley/belt combo, but who are we to know that a little extra reduction doesn't lead to a steep decline in tensioner reliability? At least the BBR has this aspect covered and safeguarded against it.

What you get with the West conversion is 17% pulley, belt and ecu inc pre and post dyno sessions. I will warn you though, and I am not directly accusing West tuning of this, but it is very easy for a tuner to put out the post-dyno figures that the customer wantsto see. AMD are the worst for this and I would take their results with a sea-load's worth of salt.

Just my $2,00000 worth

Henry

p.s. I also know the tensioner is not replaced in the West conversion because Ray himself told me and scoffed at the whole idea of it (indirectly having a go at BBR as they are the only firm to carry out this mod). Also, why bother with an enlarged TB on a forced insuction engine?? Why is there no uprated intercooler in their line-up?? The answer is because they only took 'a few months' to develop their MCS stuff...this fact was related to me with great pride by one of their 'technicians' followed by 'we concentrate mainly on the big stuff like mercs, Porsche's etc.' Its your money and your choice.

[ASTON]

Quote: Originally Posted by supercoopers

LB,

I didn't mean to step on your toes mate () but I have been to 12+ tuning companies and am an manufacturing engineer by trade, and have a Mechanical engineering degree. Anyway, I have seen the West pulley in the flesh and I have to say in no uncertain terms that it is not as good quality as the BBR version. This is not IMHO it is fact, but then again I think that people should know this so that they can make an informed decision. What you are offering for the price appears good value and I commend your efforts organising this buy ( I wouldn't volunteer such an undertaking myself) but I just wanted to share my knowledge because I am very versed when it comes to MCS tuning options in the UK. If a major tuning company has a demo car, I have tried it, trust me

Anyway, the pulley itself is not such an issue. The BBR one does have a belt lip like the original to prevent belt slippage; this is a reliablility feature. The tensioner is not replaced by West tuning. BBR is the only firm that offers this mod, even though tensioners have been known to break in extreme testing and may bode badly for future reliablility. remeber that the Works pulley is 'only' 14.5% ish reduction as opposed to the West's 17%; JCG didn't deem it necessary to upgrade the tensioner with their pulley/belt combo, but who are we to know that a little extra reduction doesn't lead to a steep decline in tensioner reliability? At least the BBR has this aspect covered and safeguarded against it.

What you get with the West conversion is 17% pulley, belt and ecu inc pre and post dyno sessions. I will warn you though, and I am not directly accusing West tuning of this, but it is very easy for a tuner to put out the post-dyno figures that the customer wantsto see. AMD are the worst for this and I would take their results with a sea-load's worth of salt.

Just my $2,00000 worth

Henry

p.s. I also know the tensioner is not replaced in the West conversion because Ray himself told me and scoffed at the whole idea of it (indirectly having a go at BBR as they are the only firm to carry out this mod). Also, why bother with an enlarged TB on a forced insuction engine?? Why is there no uprated intercooler in their line-up?? The answer is because they only took 'a few months' to develop their MCS stuff...this fact was related to me with great pride by one of their 'technicians' followed by 'we concentrate mainly on the big stuff like mercs, Porsche's etc.' Its your money and your choice.

in the 12+ tuning companies you have visited,what would you say was the best mcs conversion.
regards
aston

[supercoopers]

Aston,

For driveability, The Works and BBR were the best, no question.

Hartge was a disappointment but not as much as the Eursoportscar's Digi-Tec demonstrator (the cars I tried had a stumble which was more pronounced than the standard car and subjectively felt that they had little low-down torque compared with the others out there).

NewMiniSport's car I liked a alot. Now that they have added a water-to-air chargecooler, their conversion is even more appealing, it's just quite costly and I'm not convinced by the efficacy of water-to-air chargecoolers (heat soak is their bane). Their other conversions seem good value and have guaranteed power outputs.

Schnizter kit was again a good drive but unlike the Works car, did not justify it's expense (no TLC nor ported/polished cylinder head for same price as JCW). I also have a German friend who has tuned M3's in South Africa etc and Germany for over 15 years and he has looked at the mapping of a Schnitzer MCS car and there was very little difference between stock and theirs?

I could go on, but if there are specific tuners you want info on and I have tried their car, please just PM me and I will pass on my findings. I have outlined my thoughts on alot of other cars in previous threads so please do a search. I went with BBR because they offer superior ECU mapping and reliability safeguarding at a realistic price.

Henry

[Leccy_Blue]

Quote: Originally Posted by supercoopers

LB,

I didn't mean to step on your toes mate () but I have been to 12+ tuning companies and am an manufacturing engineer by trade, and have a Mechanical engineering degree. Anyway, I have seen the West pulley in the flesh and I have to say in no uncertain terms that it is not as good quality as the BBR version. This is not IMHO it is fact, but then again I think that people should know this so that they can make an informed decision. What you are offering for the price appears good value and I commend your efforts organising this buy ( I wouldn't volunteer such an undertaking myself) but I just wanted to share my knowledge because I am very versed when it comes to MCS tuning options in the UK. If a major tuning company has a demo car, I have tried it, trust me

Anyway, the pulley itself is not such an issue. The BBR one does have a belt lip like the original to prevent belt slippage; this is a reliablility feature. The tensioner is not replaced by West tuning. BBR is the only firm that offers this mod, even though tensioners have been known to break in extreme testing and may bode badly for future reliablility. remeber that the Works pulley is 'only' 14.5% ish reduction as opposed to the West's 17%; JCG didn't deem it necessary to upgrade the tensioner with their pulley/belt combo, but who are we to know that a little extra reduction doesn't lead to a steep decline in tensioner reliability? At least the BBR has this aspect covered and safeguarded against it.

What you get with the West conversion is 17% pulley, belt and ecu inc pre and post dyno sessions. I will warn you though, and I am not directly accusing West tuning of this, but it is very easy for a tuner to put out the post-dyno figures that the customer wantsto see. AMD are the worst for this and I would take their results with a sea-load's worth of salt.

Just my $2,00000 worth

Henry

p.s. I also know the tensioner is not replaced in the West conversion because Ray himself told me and scoffed at the whole idea of it (indirectly having a go at BBR as they are the only firm to carry out this mod). Also, why bother with an enlarged TB on a forced insuction engine?? Why is there no uprated intercooler in their line-up?? The answer is because they only took 'a few months' to develop their MCS stuff...this fact was related to me with great pride by one of their 'technicians' followed by 'we concentrate mainly on the big stuff like mercs, Porsche's etc.' Its your money and your choice.

Thank you for explaining yourself. As I said, I am not a mechanic and i think by you writing your findings you have justified your comments.

I do not take your findings as a critism against West Tuning, simply your informed opinion. I have never said that the West Tuning conversion is the best you can get, simply that it is by far the best £ per BHP conversion you can get. If you think the BBR conversion is the best...fine.

I am offering this conversion as a group buy product at a price which is extremely good value. People can make their own mind up as to whether to buy this converison or not. I do not want them to be put off by your comments as it seems you have little respect for any conversion other than the BBR or Works (from your own personal findings). West Tuning has a very good reputation in the tuning industry and I would have absolutely no concerns about letting him tune my own car.

Your comments are one persons point of view - car tuning and the way they are reviewed is very subjective. What one person might love - another may hate.

I appreciate your comments and views but we must let people make their own decisions. I have read comments on this website from many happy customers of the West Tuning conversion. If anyone has any concerns or wants questions answered they can always call West Tuning or post in this thread so I can find out for them.

Cheers, LB.

[supercoopers]

Quote: Originally Posted by Leccy_Blue

I do not want them to be put off by your comments as it seems you have little respect for any conversion other than the BBR or Works (from your own personal findings). West Tuning has a very good reputation in the tuning industry and I would have absolutely no concerns about letting him tune my own car.

I have tried to be as objective as possible and if you had read my prior post thoroughly, you would see that I appalaud the Newminisport conversion as well as the BBR and Works conversion. In fact, the conversions I hold with the greatest regard are Newminisport, BBR, John Cooper Works and Hamann which is not narrow-minded at all (which is what you have patently implied).

For the money this West tuning jobbie looks good value, I just wanted potential customers to be aware of the differences between this conversion and others on the market which are possibly more complete both in hardware supplied and R&D expended.


Henry

[Leccy_Blue]

Quote: Originally Posted by supercoopers

I have tried to be as objective as possible and if you had read my prior post thoroughly, you would see that I appalaud the Newminisport conversion as well as the BBR and Works conversion. In fact, the conversions I hold with the greatest regard are Newminisport, BBR, John Cooper Works and Hamann which is not narrow-minded at all (which is what you have patently implied).

For the money this West tuning jobbie looks good value, I just wanted potential customers to be aware of the differences between this conversion and others on the market which are possibly more complete both in hardware supplied and R&D expended.


Henry

I have not implied that you are narrow minded!!! read the post again and you will see that I have commended you several times!!!!!

You have put your views across for people to read to make up their own mind. Now can please just drop it and let me get on with the job in hand which is trying to organise this group buy which I hope will benefit Mini2 users - including yourself. Group buys take a lot of time, effort and most of all patience to organise - the main purpose of which is to offer useful products at discounted prices. The West Tuning group offers just this - 3 great products (engine conversions, exhausts and brakes) at very good prices.

Please don't try to turn a positive into a negative - it benefits no one!!

LB.

[miniman marshall]

I live in Canada and have a 03 Cooper... what can ya do fo me???