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minicabrio · Apr 20th, 2006, 11:44 AM

So if my maths are correct, that works out at £479.03 for both kits fitted including VAT.

Very good price for a brake kit.

Are there any pre-requistites? Or will the kit fit any MINI?

Baker · Apr 20th, 2006, 12:01 PM

The kit will fit any Mini as they are standard sized rotors.

Root Ginger · Apr 20th, 2006, 02:58 PM

Out of interest what is the best way to change to DOT5.1 fluid.

Would you drain all the DOT4 out by unscrewing each bleed nipple and pumping the brake pedal until all has gone and then add the DOT5.1 and rebleed? Or would this introduce air locks in the system?

obehave · Apr 20th, 2006, 03:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger

Out of interest what is the best way to change to DOT5.1 fluid.

Would you drain all the DOT4 out by unscrewing each bleed nipple and pumping the brake pedal until all has gone and then add the DOT5.1 and rebleed? Or would this introduce air locks in the system?

It's nice if they're different colors than you can see the fluid change.

They are compatible fluid types but I'd still make sure I went through 2 bleed cycles to make sure you have cleared the old fluid.

ATE Super Blue and TYP 200 or the same fluid but a different color so it makes alternating bleed cycles easier.

Webb how to link

roland2003 · Apr 20th, 2006, 04:41 PM

Hi Obe, I think freezing discs in liquid Nitrogen or Helium although effectivly hardening them (which will make them last longer) may reduce the friction ? Its the wearing of the disc as well as the pad that gives the abrasive pads like DS3000 & Black Hawk incredible (though messy

) stopping power.
Steve tried some on a Honda a while ago and said he felt like the discs were made of glass.
I personally havn't tried it, I know its a popular treatment for many things from gun barrels to trombones on your side of the pond.

BTW Syphon the reservoir almost to the bottom, refill with 5.1, then bleed through.
Best Regards Roland GTT

Root Ginger · Apr 21st, 2006, 08:21 AM

Cheers Roland,

I've asked the question a number of times before but no one has ever actually given me a method of how to do it, only that you should mix the fluids as little as possible as it reduces the effectiveness of it.

roland2003 · May 3rd, 2006, 08:09 AM

Ok guys, we have all 3 different pads in stock now to complete tests on the 'level 2' Spiroslot Discs & Pads Package. As mentioned earlier this uses top level competition pads in the front. We are looking for maximum braking power combined with greatest resistance to fade & fluid boil. At the same time it needs to be squeel free (for most of the time anyway) ,and not damage wheels. If it creates a lot iof dust........ so be it.

Best Regards Roland GT Tuning

obehave · May 3rd, 2006, 01:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003

Hi Obe, I think freezing discs in liquid Nitrogen or Helium although effectivly hardening them (which will make them last longer) may reduce the friction ? Its the wearing of the disc as well as the pad that gives the abrasive pads like DS3000 & Black Hawk incredible (though messy

) stopping power.
Steve tried some on a Honda a while ago and said he felt like the discs were made of glass.
I personally havn't tried it, I know its a popular treatment for many things from gun barrels to trombones on your side of the pond.

BTW Syphon the reservoir almost to the bottom, refill with 5.1, then bleed through.
Best Regards Roland GTT

They definitely take some work to bed in but once mine were done they worked very well.
I was a tough to tell call though since I also changed to harder track pads at the same time.

Once warmed up they work excellent

Baker · May 3rd, 2006, 01:59 PM

When can we look forward to the testing results?

cooper_sport · May 9th, 2006, 05:28 PM

Got my new disc's and pads fitted yesterday from GTT.

Front pads are level 2 track/road use and rears are kevlar pads. Is very strange when you first drive from cold as you don't get as much braking compared to the stock ones. Once warmed up pads are great. Can't wait to try these out on a track which they were designed for.

Next step is to get the GTT 220 kit.

Thanks Roland.

Regards,
John

alski · Feb 4th, 2008, 02:03 PM

are their any such thing as level 2 rear pads?
to compliment your bbk?

roland2003 · Feb 6th, 2008, 10:56 AM

Hi, we still use the level 1 rear pads with our BBK on the front.We dont offer a level 2 rear at the moment.

NeuroBeaker · Mar 9th, 2008, 12:11 PM

Hi Roland,

Many thanks for the fantastic job you did on my gearbox - gear changes are now much smoother and I'm actually getting much better mileage out of a tank of petrol too!

On the topic of brakes... my brake pad wear indicator has just come on and I'm not too keen on sending any more money BMW's way.

However, due to various financial drains right now (moving house, double rent, new tyres, etc, etc...) I'm not yet able to upgrade to the full Spiroslot system just yet.

I think there's still a bit of life left in the OEM discs, so will the Spiroslot Uprated Pads work in conjunction with the OEM discs?

If so, how much are the pads on their own?

Then later, when I'm more solvent, I can move up to the full Spiroslot braking system.

Also , do you think I'll be able to last until the end of the month with normal commuting on my original pads?

I'm changing insurers then - and am not keen to attempt an upgrade of the pads with MINI COVER (UK Insurance Ltd).

All the best,
Andrew.

roland2003 · Mar 10th, 2008, 02:49 PM

hi Andrew, you can use our pads on the stock discs ,a front set is £39+vat. You shouldnt then reuse part worn pads on new discs that you buy later though.If you can afford it fit the disc & pads as a set. Normally the discs get pretty worn particularly on the inboard face.
Best Regrds Roland GTT

NeuroBeaker · Mar 10th, 2008, 03:22 PM

Thanks Roland,

So - buying just the pads now will be more expensive in the long run, as I'll have to buy pads again in summer. It's just the full kit is a bit of a stretch right now.

Hmmm... I'll have to consult the other half on this one.

I'll get back to you soon.

All the best,
Andrew.

MINI-Morgan · Mar 10th, 2008, 09:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original)

Thanks Roland,

So - buying just the pads now will be more expensive in the long run, as I'll have to buy pads again in summer. It's just the full kit is a bit of a stretch right now.

Hmmm... I'll have to consult the other half on this one.

I'll get back to you soon.

All the best,
Andrew.

Good luck

Just say the discs are worn out too

NeuroBeaker · Mar 11th, 2008, 10:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

Good luck

Just say the discs are worn out too

I consulted the other half - and managed to convince her that I would be upgrading to the full Spiroslots eventually... so it would be cheaper in the long term to go for the full kit now rather than pads now and pads + discs later.

I've just got off the phone with Roland and should have my new Spiroslot Braking System by the end of the week.

I think an expression of delight is in order 'Yahooooooooooooooooooo!'

All the best,
Andrew.

MINI-Morgan · Mar 11th, 2008, 12:52 PM

Congrats!!

Do remember they take a very long time to bed in if you get the stage 2s! But last forever!!

NeuroBeaker · Mar 11th, 2008, 05:15 PM

I think I got the Stages Ones - I actually didn't think to ask about stages. Hopefully "stage one" is the automatic choice?

I'm in a MINI ONE, so probably don't need anything as extreme as a second stage.

Maybe I should call Roland real quick just to ask...

*Calls Roland on the phone*

Yep, I'm on stage ones - all good.

All the best,
Andrew.

NeuroBeaker · Mar 14th, 2008, 09:18 PM

Had a hellish day at work today - but the end of the day about to get better.

My girlfriend sent me a text to say she's saving up a hug for me, and... there's a heavy package from GTT at home!!

Well, can't sit around here typing all night, I need to get home to admire my Spiroslots!

All the best,
Andrew.

Apr 20th, 2006, 02:58 PM	#23 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Out of interest what is the best way to change to DOT5.1 fluid. Would you drain all the DOT4 out by unscrewing each bleed nipple and pumping the brake pedal until all has gone and then add the DOT5.1 and rebleed? Or would this introduce air locks in the system? It was acceptable in the 80's

Apr 20th, 2006, 04:41 PM	#25 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 2,736 Offline	Hi Obe, I think freezing discs in liquid Nitrogen or Helium although effectivly hardening them (which will make them last longer) may reduce the friction ? Its the wearing of the disc as well as the pad that gives the abrasive pads like DS3000 & Black Hawk incredible (though messy ) stopping power. Steve tried some on a Honda a while ago and said he felt like the discs were made of glass. I personally havn't tried it, I know its a popular treatment for many things from gun barrels to trombones on your side of the pond. BTW Syphon the reservoir almost to the bottom, refill with 5.1, then bleed through. Best Regards Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

Apr 21st, 2006, 08:21 AM	#26 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Cheers Roland, I've asked the question a number of times before but no one has ever actually given me a method of how to do it, only that you should mix the fluids as little as possible as it reduces the effectiveness of it. It was acceptable in the 80's

May 3rd, 2006, 08:09 AM	#27 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 2,736 Offline	Ok guys, we have all 3 different pads in stock now to complete tests on the 'level 2' Spiroslot Discs & Pads Package. As mentioned earlier this uses top level competition pads in the front. We are looking for maximum braking power combined with greatest resistance to fade & fluid boil. At the same time it needs to be squeel free (for most of the time anyway) ,and not damage wheels. If it creates a lot iof dust........ so be it. Best Regards Roland GT Tuning www.gttuning.com

May 9th, 2006, 05:28 PM	#30 (permalink)
cooper_sport A.K.A Gray-Boy Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bournemouth, Dorset Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 309 Offline	Got my new disc's and pads fitted yesterday from GTT. Front pads are level 2 track/road use and rears are kevlar pads. Is very strange when you first drive from cold as you don't get as much braking compared to the stock ones. Once warmed up pads are great. Can't wait to try these out on a track which they were designed for. Next step is to get the GTT 220 kit. Thanks Roland. Regards, John MINI race car driver wannabe

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minicabrio Clubman Convert Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 15,294 Offline	So if my maths are correct, that works out at £479.03 for both kits fitted including VAT. Very good price for a brake kit. Are there any pre-requistites? Or will the kit fit any MINI?

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Apr 20th, 2006, 12:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
Baker Being normal is not fun! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Newcastle, Australia Local Time: 02:41 PM Posts: 4,270 Offline	The kit will fit any Mini as they are standard sized rotors.

Apr 20th, 2006, 03:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 12:41 AM Posts: 9,388 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger Out of interest what is the best way to change to DOT5.1 fluid. Would you drain all the DOT4 out by unscrewing each bleed nipple and pumping the brake pedal until all has gone and then add the DOT5.1 and rebleed? Or would this introduce air locks in the system? It's nice if they're different colors than you can see the fluid change. They are compatible fluid types but I'd still make sure I went through 2 bleed cycles to make sure you have cleared the old fluid. ATE Super Blue and TYP 200 or the same fluid but a different color so it makes alternating bleed cycles easier. Webb how to link

May 3rd, 2006, 01:10 PM	#28 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 12:41 AM Posts: 9,388 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 Hi Obe, I think freezing discs in liquid Nitrogen or Helium although effectivly hardening them (which will make them last longer) may reduce the friction ? Its the wearing of the disc as well as the pad that gives the abrasive pads like DS3000 & Black Hawk incredible (though messy ) stopping power. Steve tried some on a Honda a while ago and said he felt like the discs were made of glass. I personally havn't tried it, I know its a popular treatment for many things from gun barrels to trombones on your side of the pond. BTW Syphon the reservoir almost to the bottom, refill with 5.1, then bleed through. Best Regards Roland GTT They definitely take some work to bed in but once mine were done they worked very well. I was a tough to tell call though since I also changed to harder track pads at the same time. Once warmed up they work excellent

May 3rd, 2006, 01:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
Baker Being normal is not fun! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Newcastle, Australia Local Time: 02:41 PM Posts: 4,270 Offline	When can we look forward to the testing results?

Feb 4th, 2008, 02:03 PM	#31 (permalink)
alski dyno-mite, might not.... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 954 Offline	are their any such thing as level 2 rear pads? to compliment your bbk? carefree

Feb 6th, 2008, 10:56 AM	#32 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 2,736 Offline	Hi, we still use the level 1 rear pads with our BBK on the front.We dont offer a level 2 rear at the moment. www.gttuning.com

Mar 9th, 2008, 12:11 PM	#33 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 5,763 Offline	Will Spiroslot pads work with OEM discs? Hi Roland, Many thanks for the fantastic job you did on my gearbox - gear changes are now much smoother and I'm actually getting much better mileage out of a tank of petrol too! On the topic of brakes... my brake pad wear indicator has just come on and I'm not too keen on sending any more money BMW's way. However, due to various financial drains right now (moving house, double rent, new tyres, etc, etc...) I'm not yet able to upgrade to the full Spiroslot system just yet. I think there's still a bit of life left in the OEM discs, so will the Spiroslot Uprated Pads work in conjunction with the OEM discs? If so, how much are the pads on their own? Then later, when I'm more solvent, I can move up to the full Spiroslot braking system. Also , do you think I'll be able to last until the end of the month with normal commuting on my original pads? I'm changing insurers then - and am not keen to attempt an upgrade of the pads with MINI COVER (UK Insurance Ltd). All the best, Andrew. * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE). Last edited by NeuroBeaker : Mar 10th, 2008 at 12:24 AM. Reason: Added final question about pad longevity

Mar 10th, 2008, 02:49 PM	#34 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 2,736 Offline	hi Andrew, you can use our pads on the stock discs ,a front set is £39+vat. You shouldnt then reuse part worn pads on new discs that you buy later though.If you can afford it fit the disc & pads as a set. Normally the discs get pretty worn particularly on the inboard face. Best Regrds Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

Mar 10th, 2008, 03:22 PM	#35 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 5,763 Offline	Thanks Roland, So - buying just the pads now will be more expensive in the long run, as I'll have to buy pads again in summer. It's just the full kit is a bit of a stretch right now. Hmmm... I'll have to consult the other half on this one. I'll get back to you soon. All the best, Andrew. * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE).

Mar 10th, 2008, 09:25 PM	#36 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 4,651 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original) Thanks Roland, So - buying just the pads now will be more expensive in the long run, as I'll have to buy pads again in summer. It's just the full kit is a bit of a stretch right now. Hmmm... I'll have to consult the other half on this one. I'll get back to you soon. All the best, Andrew. Good luck Just say the discs are worn out too One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

Mar 11th, 2008, 10:51 AM	#37 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 5,763 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original) Good luck Just say the discs are worn out too I consulted the other half - and managed to convince her that I would be upgrading to the full Spiroslots eventually... so it would be cheaper in the long term to go for the full kit now rather than pads now and pads + discs later. I've just got off the phone with Roland and should have my new Spiroslot Braking System by the end of the week. I think an expression of delight is in order 'Yahooooooooooooooooooo!' All the best, Andrew. * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE).

Mar 11th, 2008, 12:52 PM	#38 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 4,651 Offline	Congrats!! Do remember they take a very long time to bed in if you get the stage 2s! But last forever!! One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

Mar 11th, 2008, 05:15 PM	#39 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 5,763 Offline	I think I got the Stages Ones - I actually didn't think to ask about stages. Hopefully "stage one" is the automatic choice? I'm in a MINI ONE, so probably don't need anything as extreme as a second stage. Maybe I should call Roland real quick just to ask... *Calls Roland on the phone* Yep, I'm on stage ones - all good. All the best, Andrew. * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE).

Mar 14th, 2008, 09:18 PM	#40 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 05:41 AM Posts: 5,763 Offline	Had a hellish day at work today - but the end of the day about to get better. My girlfriend sent me a text to say she's saving up a hug for me, and... there's a heavy package from GTT at home!! Well, can't sit around here typing all night, I need to get home to admire my Spiroslots! All the best, Andrew. * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE).

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