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Old Sep 24th, 2006, 11:00 AM
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Thanks Matt, there will be a GTT LOWER FRONT STRUT BRACE to compliment it. This will be available in approx 4 weeks . I will start a thread on it once I have more detailed info on it.
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Hi JG, thanks for the comments. We thought we might as well make it look good too ,and the Pearl Patina finish weve applied Im personally very pleased with.
The brace is equally befeficial and suitable on both road & track . You need not have any concerns about requiring additional parts to compliment it to prevent damaging the chassis. In effect with the strutbrace the chassis is being strenghtened to resist movement . The chassis flex you get without the strutbrace,could ,(though unlikely ) ,fatigue the metal in the chassis enough to crack ,so if anything the opposite is true. Your point however is valid if fitting shock absorbers with very high spring rates or very high compression damping or even ultra low profile tyres. Either of these could cause pot hole damage that you may have got away with on stock soft suspension and tall mushy tyres ?
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Thanks for explaining Roland
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Hi JG, thanks for the comments. We thought we might as well make it look good too ,and the Pearl Patina finish weve applied Im personally very pleased with.
The brace is equally befeficial and suitable on both road & track . You need not have any concerns about requiring additional parts to compliment it to prevent damaging the chassis. In effect with the strutbrace the chassis is being strenghtened to resist movement . The chassis flex you get without the strutbrace,could ,(though unlikely ) ,fatigue the metal in the chassis enough to crack ,so if anything the opposite is true. Your point however is valid if fitting shock absorbers with very high spring rates or very high compression damping or even ultra low profile tyres. Either of these could cause pot hole damage that you may have got away with on stock soft suspension and tall mushy tyres ?
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Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)
Thanks Matt, there will be a GTT LOWER FRONT STRUT BRACE to compliment it. This will be available in approx 4 weeks . I will start a thread on it once I have more detailed info on it.
Best Regards Roland Gt Tuning

A lower one too. Man that front end is going to be rock solid

It was acceptable in the 80's
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Let us know when you check it out on a base Cooper for fit, 'cause I'll order one for sure, particularly if shipping to the U.S. is no problem.. If it requires mod to the battery box in the Cooper, Promini has a low-profile battery box replacement cover for their brace to fit the Cooper which might work. Like your one-piece design over Promini's by far, plus yours looks like it might provide some added reinforcement to the tops of the strut towers, to help prevent the mushrooming damage that can happen when arguing with a pot hole at speed.
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Thanks mkh, it may need a cutout in the lid for the Cooper or we may produce a new lid or it may even go over it without any modding.?If anyone out there wants one on their Cooper we will do free fitting on the first car to book in!
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Old Sep 25th, 2006, 09:39 AM
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Roland, question on strut braces for you.... for discussion....

How does the fitting of such a solid brace affect a cars crash saftey ratings? All modern cars are designed to 'crush' during crashes and absorb the impact. Does your strut brace (or ayone elses strut brace for that matter) affect this functionaltiy of the cars' saftey design?

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Roland, question on strut braces for you.... for discussion....

How does the fitting of such a solid brace affect a cars crash saftey ratings? All modern cars are designed to 'crush' during crashes and absorb the impact. Does your strut brace (or ayone elses strut brace for that matter) affect this functionaltiy of the cars' saftey design?

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I think that would be a definatly yes but you'd expect it to strengthen the car if anything from a front side impact. Anyone want to fit one and lend their car to NCAP?
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Great design Roland! Looks fantastic and the first i've seen that will reduce twist and virtical movement in the struts.
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oh boy - i didn't think it was gonna go down this route!

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Quote: Originally Posted by Mini-Morgan (original)
I think that would be a definatly yes but you'd expect it to strengthen the car if anything from a front side impact. Anyone want to fit one and lend their car to NCAP?



Most manufacturers are removing large, inflexible structures from cars, not fitting them - which is why you see cars deforming so badly from even quite light accidents - the car is taking the damage not the occupant.

However, i dont for a minute expect this to be definitivly answered by the likes of Roland or any of the other manufacturers from a standpoint of their own products, I'm more looking for an answer from a more general term - has this kind of modification ever been tested before in terms of crash saftey etc.....
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Hi Tony... I dont know of any tests done ,but if I had the choice Id rather have the brace fitted as the crush tubes at the front still absorb most of the front impact so this is not effected. Side impact ? again I think better with.
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Hi Tony... I dont know of any tests done ,but if I had the choice Id rather have the brace fitted as the crush tubes at the front still absorb most of the front impact so this is not effected. Side impact ? again I think better with.
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OK, fair enough opinion. I have to say, if I still had my car, I'd buy this version, not the Works version, and yes, i did take my car on track so would have hopefully seen the full benifit of the device, rather than just buying it as a 'bling' item for looks alone....
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Morning Guys,OK I have driven the car over 30 miles of B roads I know inside out , My heart is still pounding with excitement,I couldnt sleep and Ive come in an hour early just to drive it again and confirm it wasnt all placebo effect.?..... ....It was'nt!
OK 'This GTT product IMO gives the most significant upgrade in handling that I have ever experienced on any car ' Even more so than other cars that we have produced a 'similar product' for. The improvement is so great I can feel it every second of the journey on any type of road/surface. I could even feel it driving out of the industrial site. My grip on the steering wheel ,which is normally very tight on bumpy B roads, now doesnt need to be. All the tugging ,and twitching as you put one wheel through ruts and grooves has gone! It feels to me like the chassis is longer flexing.....and thats exactly what it is. Under braking I'm correcting much less and Ive just realised all the dash rattles have just stopped.
We can sell you a Bilstein kit for £1400 ,or this new GTT Strutbrace , for a fraction of the cost ,which IMO improves things more . (irrespective of the huge price difference!)I
I have run my car with both OMP and JCW strutbraces and I found them to make little or (JCW) no difference at all. We knew the GTT Strutbrace would be many times more rigid than these, but if the chassis isn't actually flexing in the first place ,then it still wouldnt improve things. My before & after test drive confirms not only was it flexing, but alot more so than we expected. In summary this Strutbrace does for handling what a GTT220 does for performance. We will test it furher on the track at the Castle Combe Track Day next Saturday- Be there!!!
BTW it fits over the stock or JCW airbox without any mods,and doesnt dig into the under bonnet lining.
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PS Heaven knows what a difference it would make on a Cabriolet ,these things twist all over the place

I find it hard to belive that a mini is so flexible that your strut brace improves more than a well set up suspension. Nice sales pitch though, with a nice looking product, i'm sure it will sell well.
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I find it hard to belive that a mini is so flexible that your strut brace improves more than a well set up suspension. Nice sales pitch though, with a nice looking product, i'm sure it will sell well.

Well.... you tossed the gauntlet


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