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roland2003 · Sep 10th, 2007, 09:29 AM

Hi Guys, we have designed & made a brand new GTT 'Race' OCC for the Cooper S. This version is for the GTT300T and has a bracket which neatly bolts to the left engine mount.

The Cooper S has 2 completly seperate breather circuits:-
1) The closed loop PCV circuit....this is the one that collects oil under conditions of less than full throttle. It has a return as it uses depession in the inlet manifold to scavenge (suck)....Our current GTT OCC fits here, trapping the oil before it can re-enter downstream of the TB.
2) This second circuit comes off the other end of the rocker cover and doesnt have a 'non return valve'.
This normally vents back oil& fumes into the 'clean side' of the airfilter, just before the TB.
A mistake some manufacturers have made is to claim (gets more sales) they're ONE oil catch can can suceesfully be plumbed to collect the oil from both circuits....this does not work (by all accounts you just collect water!).
Anyway for race use under severe load and cornering its advisable to have an OCC on the second circuit. This prevents oil ,and 'power robbing/pinking inducing ' fumes re-entering the engine via the inlet tract. These work better open loop (venting to atmosphere), so return pipe not required. .
Best Regards Roland GTT

MINI-Morgan · Sep 10th, 2007, 09:53 AM

Looks good Roland

Two filters in one.

roland2003 · Sep 10th, 2007, 10:49 AM

Thanks, we can produce another version for SC MCS's too. with a different mounting bracket

Bhozar · Sep 10th, 2007, 11:07 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Thanks, we can produce another version for SC MCS's too. with a different mounting bracket

so people who buy this for the SC one, would then need ot buy it again for the turbo conversion?

roland2003 · Sep 10th, 2007, 11:22 AM

No, we would swop it over the the 300T version FOC

Bhozar · Sep 10th, 2007, 11:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

No, we would swop it over the the 300T version FOC

Oh nice one. Does that go for the SC version of the header tank and anythign else specific to the SC/Turbo bits in the future?

MINI-Morgan · Sep 10th, 2007, 08:30 PM

Like the turbo?

Bhozar · Dec 6th, 2007, 01:59 PM

So what happened about this?

Any prices for a standard supercharged MCS version?

Do you have them in stock?

BigShow300 · Dec 6th, 2007, 02:58 PM

As anyone actually caught any oil in one of these as I remember someone saying to me recently that although they had one they were yet to empty it as nothing had been collected?!?! Just wondering if OCC'S are worth the money or not?

Rigsey · Dec 6th, 2007, 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BigShow (original)

As anyone actually caught any oil in one of these as I remember someone saying to me recently that although they had one they were yet to empty it as nothing had been collected?!?! Just wondering if OCC'S are worth the money or not?

I have the OCC and do find some oil in there; enough to drain every 3 months or so.

Bhozar · Dec 6th, 2007, 03:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BigShow (original)

As anyone actually caught any oil in one of these as I remember someone saying to me recently that although they had one they were yet to empty it as nothing had been collected?!?! Just wondering if OCC'S are worth the money or not?

Some people never seem to have any oil in them.

I get oil in mine. I still have oil hitting the inside of the IC etc, so it looks like its coming from this side of the crank case too.

roland2003 · Dec 13th, 2007, 01:38 PM

Hi Alex , one breather circuit collects oil on part throttle/ overrun etc (ie when theres depression in the inlet manifold.) The other circuit only at wide open throttle. It is not possible to sucessfully combine both circuits into one OCC ,though others have tried it.
For lots of WOT on a high boost car, on the track,... the GTT Race OCC should also be considered in addtion to our 'closed loop' existing OCC .
Best Regards Roland GTT

Bhozar · Dec 13th, 2007, 01:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original)

Hi Alex , one breather circuit collects oil on part throttle/ overrun etc (ie when theres depression in the inlet manifold.) The other circuit only at wide open throttle. It is not possible to sucessfully combine both circuits into one OCC ,though others have tried it.
For lots of WOT on a high boost car, on the track,... the GTT Race OCC should also be considered in addtion to our 'closed loop' existing OCC .
Best Regards Roland GTT

Thanks Roland. I knew about not combining the two crank case breathers into the one OCC. I already have your normal one.

I may spend a little bit of time at WOT

Which would explain the amount of oil in my horns and IC. Thats why I was thinking about a breather filter or one of these second OCC's.

What is the cost?

roland2003 · Dec 14th, 2007, 09:47 AM

Hi Alex, making it as a 'one off' (probably make say 5 tbh ) £69+vat.
Best Regards Roland GTT

GTT 280 · Jan 28th, 2008, 12:25 PM

Roland,

I already have the standard OCC fitted. From what i understand, would i just need the Race OCC fitted to the otherside to capture the WOT oil?

Most of my driving is at WOT !!!

Cheers,
Karl.

MINI-Morgan · Jan 28th, 2008, 12:59 PM

high speed cornering turning right might have a impact too

GTT 280 · Jan 28th, 2008, 03:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

high speed cornering turning right might have a impact too

Yes, forgot that one !

Cheers,
K.

Sep 10th, 2007, 09:29 AM	#1
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 2,700 Offline	New- GTT 'Race' Oil Catch Can' +pics Hi Guys, we have designed & made a brand new GTT 'Race' OCC for the Cooper S. This version is for the GTT300T and has a bracket which neatly bolts to the left engine mount. The Cooper S has 2 completly seperate breather circuits:- 1) The closed loop PCV circuit....this is the one that collects oil under conditions of less than full throttle. It has a return as it uses depession in the inlet manifold to scavenge (suck)....Our current GTT OCC fits here, trapping the oil before it can re-enter downstream of the TB. 2) This second circuit comes off the other end of the rocker cover and doesnt have a 'non return valve'. This normally vents back oil& fumes into the 'clean side' of the airfilter, just before the TB. A mistake some manufacturers have made is to claim (gets more sales) they're ONE oil catch can can suceesfully be plumbed to collect the oil from both circuits....this does not work (by all accounts you just collect water!). Anyway for race use under severe load and cornering its advisable to have an OCC on the second circuit. This prevents oil ,and 'power robbing/pinking inducing ' fumes re-entering the engine via the inlet tract. These work better open loop (venting to atmosphere), so return pipe not required. . Best Regards Roland GTT Attached Thumbnails www.gttuning.com

Sep 10th, 2007, 09:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 4,574 Offline	Looks good Roland Two filters in one. One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

Sep 10th, 2007, 10:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 2,700 Offline	Thanks, we can produce another version for SC MCS's too. with a different mounting bracket www.gttuning.com

Sep 10th, 2007, 11:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 2,700 Offline	No, we would swop it over the the 300T version FOC www.gttuning.com

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Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 1,097 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) Thanks, we can produce another version for SC MCS's too. with a different mounting bracket so people who buy this for the SC one, would then need ot buy it again for the turbo conversion?

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Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 1,097 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) No, we would swop it over the the 300T version FOC Oh nice one. Does that go for the SC version of the header tank and anythign else specific to the SC/Turbo bits in the future?

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Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 1,097 Offline	So what happened about this? Any prices for a standard supercharged MCS version? Do you have them in stock?

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BigShow300 Banned My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2007 Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 914 Offline	As anyone actually caught any oil in one of these as I remember someone saying to me recently that although they had one they were yet to empty it as nothing had been collected?!?! Just wondering if OCC'S are worth the money or not?

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Rigsey MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kent Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 496 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BigShow (original) As anyone actually caught any oil in one of these as I remember someone saying to me recently that although they had one they were yet to empty it as nothing had been collected?!?! Just wondering if OCC'S are worth the money or not? I have the OCC and do find some oil in there; enough to drain every 3 months or so. GTT, GRS, Janspeed, JCW, OMP + various other bits - 232.6bhp, 191.2lbft on 1320's rolling road

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Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 1,097 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BigShow (original) As anyone actually caught any oil in one of these as I remember someone saying to me recently that although they had one they were yet to empty it as nothing had been collected?!?! Just wondering if OCC'S are worth the money or not? Some people never seem to have any oil in them. I get oil in mine. I still have oil hitting the inside of the IC etc, so it looks like its coming from this side of the crank case too.

Dec 13th, 2007, 01:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 2,700 Offline	Hi Alex , one breather circuit collects oil on part throttle/ overrun etc (ie when theres depression in the inlet manifold.) The other circuit only at wide open throttle. It is not possible to sucessfully combine both circuits into one OCC ,though others have tried it. For lots of WOT on a high boost car, on the track,... the GTT Race OCC should also be considered in addtion to our 'closed loop' existing OCC . Best Regards Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

Dec 13th, 2007, 01:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 1,097 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 (original) Hi Alex , one breather circuit collects oil on part throttle/ overrun etc (ie when theres depression in the inlet manifold.) The other circuit only at wide open throttle. It is not possible to sucessfully combine both circuits into one OCC ,though others have tried it. For lots of WOT on a high boost car, on the track,... the GTT Race OCC should also be considered in addtion to our 'closed loop' existing OCC . Best Regards Roland GTT Thanks Roland. I knew about not combining the two crank case breathers into the one OCC. I already have your normal one. I may spend a little bit of time at WOT Which would explain the amount of oil in my horns and IC. Thats why I was thinking about a breather filter or one of these second OCC's. What is the cost?

Dec 14th, 2007, 09:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 2,700 Offline	Hi Alex, making it as a 'one off' (probably make say 5 tbh ) £69+vat. Best Regards Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

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GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 2,436 Offline	Roland, I already have the standard OCC fitted. From what i understand, would i just need the Race OCC fitted to the otherside to capture the WOT oil? Most of my driving is at WOT !!! Cheers, Karl. Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

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MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 4,574 Offline	high speed cornering turning right might have a impact too One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

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GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 2,436 Offline	True Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original) high speed cornering turning right might have a impact too Yes, forgot that one ! Cheers, K. Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

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