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roland2003 · May 17th, 2005, 09:03 AM

Hi guys, rather than tangle with other offerings, here is a thread providing info &pics of the New 'GTT Intercooler c/w Diffuser.' Please feel free to ask questions,as I know the info on the site may be confusing at times. Included is a pic on the car. If you wonder how we get a bigger intercooler in than others do,its because we include a coilpack offset plate which moves the coil back about 15mm,therefore allowing our core to be around 20-25mm deeper (front to back) than other 'large ' top mount intercoolers.The plate is stealthy so hard to spot,yet easy to remove/refit. I tried to take a shot in through the scoop to show how our intercooler does not sit high at the front edge, (which would block out the incoming air). Unfortunately the photo was no good so youll have to take my word for it. If anything the top face of our intercooler actually sits about 3-5mm BELOW the lower edge of the scoop.
Regards Roland Gt Tuning

minibee · May 17th, 2005, 10:53 AM

how long would it take to fit at your place and how easy is it to replace with the old one for the odd time's it goes back to BMW

Neil...

roland2003 · May 17th, 2005, 11:02 AM

Hi Neil, 'initial fit' is one hour,however to change back for service is 10-15mins each way.
Regards Roland Gt Tuning

obehave · May 17th, 2005, 12:44 PM

Is this a prototype IC?
The end tanks look assembled and I though these were milled units.
Nice looking welds BTW.

roland2003 · May 17th, 2005, 01:53 PM

Thanks Obe, the elipses are milled from a solid billet (ie a brick of aluminium) & welded to the end tanks. We do this as is; (A) Far more precise ,ensuring no small airleaks (B) As is much stronger,preventing distortion under clamping & (C) as it allows us to machine a ten thou. lip all around the outer profile ,for additional security. Next time we mill some elipses I will take a picky of it being machined & post it up . No one else goes to this trouble,but I think is necessary & it does produce a very high quality product.
Best Regards Roland Gt Tuning

obehave · May 17th, 2005, 02:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003

Thanks Obe, the elipses are milled from a solid billet (ie a brick of aluminium) & welded to the end tanks. We do this as is; (A) Far more precise ,ensuring no small airleaks (B) As is much stronger,preventing distortion under clamping & (C) as it allows us to machine a ten thou. lip all around the outer profile ,for additional security. Next time we mill some elipses I will take a picky of it being machined & post it up . No one else goes to this trouble,but I think is necessary & it does produce a very high quality product.
Best Regards Roland Gt Tuning

Thanks.
My mistake, I thought the whole tank was milled. Oops

rasp · May 17th, 2005, 03:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003

Hi guys, rather than tangle with other offerings,

"Why, cant you face the truth then...?

Nick666 · May 17th, 2005, 03:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rasp

"Why, cant you face the truth then...?

Hey, leave it off, rasp. Let's all be grown up and move on.

minibee · May 17th, 2005, 04:18 PM

Dave , you seem to have a bee in your bonnet mate

WHY

neil.

Mini_Blake · May 17th, 2005, 04:26 PM

Seems like a good idea to put this in a separate thread with a descriptive title...

AidenL · May 17th, 2005, 05:44 PM

Few posts deleted there by me guys - please calm down and keep it civil? Thanks............

GeoffMM · May 17th, 2005, 07:37 PM

i was looking at a grs intercooler along with your 210 conversion which i keep meaning to get booked in. what are the performance gains or + points of having your intercooler. sorry i am a bit new to engine internals so don't understand fully what benefits yours will have.
thanks

rasp · May 17th, 2005, 10:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Max

What truth is that then?

Oh, go on then; West Tuning do a better one, is that it?

You got a share in West Tuning then

Well Max, not to sure where your coming from.... West Tuning have nothing to do with the GRS IC and I have nothing to do with West Tuning

If you want to know the truth then the figures speak for themselves and GRS have the figures to prove it.... trying to be funny Max don't suite you....

minibee · May 17th, 2005, 10:04 PM

max behave mate.

Neil.....

minibee · May 17th, 2005, 10:08 PM

dave was abit upset with roland

roland2003 · May 18th, 2005, 08:19 AM

Geoff, check the website or give me a ring if you need more info. BTW to make the core larger we have added extra tubes in parrellel,rather than lengthening the tubes,this gives more cooling AND less pressure drop at the same time. No top mount currently available
will even come close to this product. If you have another make & would like to try our
product please telephone me. As I say we could produce a smaller intercooler with brazed core and non CNC milled elipses if the demand is there at circa £299+vat.I even have some sample brazed cores here that we opted against during initial design.
Best regards Roland Gt Tuning

sillycar gt4cs · Mar 14th, 2008, 11:05 PM

sorry to drag up a old thread but......
roland in the pictures i see you have foam fitted to the intercooler,do you still fit this on your intercoolers or is it not needed.
great bit of kit by the way,car seems to have more torque and the exhaust note has changed.
and on another note.....
anyone thinking of getting this intercooler should really buy the snoot boots too as they fit so much better then the stock ones

MINI-Morgan · Mar 15th, 2008, 12:49 PM

Hi Lee!

I see the thread now! Looks in the pic that the foam at the back only raises it about 1MM? or does it seal better against the sound proofing on the bonnet?

Mine defiantly didnt have it

p.s since taking it and the air filter off I have lost 2-3psi of boost!!

alski · Mar 15th, 2008, 01:32 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

Hi Lee!

I see the thread now! Looks in the pic that the foam at the back only raises it about 1MM? or does it seal better against the sound proofing on the bonnet?

Mine defiantly didnt have it

p.s since taking it and the air filter off I have lost 2-3psi of boost!!

no foam on mine, bought some from mini dealer and added inside scoop to seal

so much better

MINI-Morgan · Mar 15th, 2008, 02:43 PM

Afternoon! Any pics? I tried it but I only ever ended up blocking the last row on the intercooler with foam.

Maybe if a strong foam was glued around the back to the same height as the sides and then spacers put in the intercooler tray/ducting in the bonnet to lower it a bit to make a better seal.

But then in all the testing I did there was never any problems with heat as the intercooler angled as it is will always trap air on each row and cool it. Obviously the better seal the more air thats forced down each row but even with a peak of 19psi I never had a problem.

May 17th, 2005, 09:03 AM	#1
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 2,731 Offline	GT Tuning New Intecooler thread + Pics! Hi guys, rather than tangle with other offerings, here is a thread providing info &pics of the New 'GTT Intercooler c/w Diffuser.' Please feel free to ask questions,as I know the info on the site may be confusing at times. Included is a pic on the car. If you wonder how we get a bigger intercooler in than others do,its because we include a coilpack offset plate which moves the coil back about 15mm,therefore allowing our core to be around 20-25mm deeper (front to back) than other 'large ' top mount intercoolers.The plate is stealthy so hard to spot,yet easy to remove/refit. I tried to take a shot in through the scoop to show how our intercooler does not sit high at the front edge, (which would block out the incoming air). Unfortunately the photo was no good so youll have to take my word for it. If anything the top face of our intercooler actually sits about 3-5mm BELOW the lower edge of the scoop. Regards Roland Gt Tuning Attached Thumbnails www.gttuning.com

May 17th, 2005, 11:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 2,731 Offline	Hi Neil, 'initial fit' is one hour,however to change back for service is 10-15mins each way. Regards Roland Gt Tuning www.gttuning.com

May 17th, 2005, 01:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 2,731 Offline	Thanks Obe, the elipses are milled from a solid billet (ie a brick of aluminium) & welded to the end tanks. We do this as is; (A) Far more precise ,ensuring no small airleaks (B) As is much stronger,preventing distortion under clamping & (C) as it allows us to machine a ten thou. lip all around the outer profile ,for additional security. Next time we mill some elipses I will take a picky of it being machined & post it up . No one else goes to this trouble,but I think is necessary & it does produce a very high quality product. Best Regards Roland Gt Tuning www.gttuning.com

May 17th, 2005, 05:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
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May 17th, 2005, 07:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
GeoffMM COOPER S LOCAL Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LINCOLN Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 310 Offline	i was looking at a grs intercooler along with your 210 conversion which i keep meaning to get booked in. what are the performance gains or + points of having your intercooler. sorry i am a bit new to engine internals so don't understand fully what benefits yours will have. thanks If all goes well soon to have a GTT 210bhp !!!!!

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May 17th, 2005, 10:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
minibee up the reds Join Date: May 2003 Location: moving house Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 3,030 Offline	how long would it take to fit at your place and how easy is it to replace with the old one for the odd time's it goes back to BMW Neil...

May 17th, 2005, 12:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 08:37 AM Posts: 9,388 Offline	Is this a prototype IC? The end tanks look assembled and I though these were milled units. Nice looking welds BTW.

May 17th, 2005, 02:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 08:37 AM Posts: 9,388 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 Thanks Obe, the elipses are milled from a solid billet (ie a brick of aluminium) & welded to the end tanks. We do this as is; (A) Far more precise ,ensuring no small airleaks (B) As is much stronger,preventing distortion under clamping & (C) as it allows us to machine a ten thou. lip all around the outer profile ,for additional security. Next time we mill some elipses I will take a picky of it being machined & post it up . No one else goes to this trouble,but I think is necessary & it does produce a very high quality product. Best Regards Roland Gt Tuning Thanks. My mistake, I thought the whole tank was milled. Oops

May 17th, 2005, 03:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 1,697 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 Hi guys, rather than tangle with other offerings, "Why, cant you face the truth then...?

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Nick666 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Leeds Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 400 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rasp "Why, cant you face the truth then...? Hey, leave it off, rasp. Let's all be grown up and move on.

May 17th, 2005, 04:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
minibee up the reds Join Date: May 2003 Location: moving house Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 3,030 Offline	Dave , you seem to have a bee in your bonnet mate WHY neil.

May 17th, 2005, 04:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mini_Blake MINI2 lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Woolhope, Hereford Local Time: 12:37 PM Posts: 697 Offline	Seems like a good idea to put this in a separate thread with a descriptive title...

May 17th, 2005, 10:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 1,697 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Max What truth is that then? Oh, go on then; West Tuning do a better one, is that it? You got a share in West Tuning then Well Max, not to sure where your coming from.... West Tuning have nothing to do with the GRS IC and I have nothing to do with West Tuning If you want to know the truth then the figures speak for themselves and GRS have the figures to prove it.... trying to be funny Max don't suite you.... Last edited by rasp : May 20th, 2005 at 11:06 PM.

May 17th, 2005, 10:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
minibee up the reds Join Date: May 2003 Location: moving house Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 3,030 Offline	max behave mate. Neil.....

May 17th, 2005, 10:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
minibee up the reds Join Date: May 2003 Location: moving house Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 3,030 Offline	dave was abit upset with roland

May 18th, 2005, 08:19 AM	#16 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 2,731 Offline	Geoff, check the website or give me a ring if you need more info. BTW to make the core larger we have added extra tubes in parrellel,rather than lengthening the tubes,this gives more cooling AND less pressure drop at the same time. No top mount currently available will even come close to this product. If you have another make & would like to try our product please telephone me. As I say we could produce a smaller intercooler with brazed core and non CNC milled elipses if the demand is there at circa £299+vat.I even have some sample brazed cores here that we opted against during initial design. Best regards Roland Gt Tuning www.gttuning.com

Mar 14th, 2008, 11:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
sillycar gt4cs MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2006 Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 218 Offline	sorry to drag up a old thread but...... roland in the pictures i see you have foam fitted to the intercooler,do you still fit this on your intercoolers or is it not needed. great bit of kit by the way,car seems to have more torque and the exhaust note has changed. and on another note..... anyone thinking of getting this intercooler should really buy the snoot boots too as they fit so much better then the stock ones www.minitorque.com

Mar 15th, 2008, 12:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 4,610 Online	Hi Lee! I see the thread now! Looks in the pic that the foam at the back only raises it about 1MM? or does it seal better against the sound proofing on the bonnet? Mine defiantly didnt have it p.s since taking it and the air filter off I have lost 2-3psi of boost!! One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

Mar 15th, 2008, 01:32 PM	#19 (permalink)
alski ever been on a dyno Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 917 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original) Hi Lee! I see the thread now! Looks in the pic that the foam at the back only raises it about 1MM? or does it seal better against the sound proofing on the bonnet? Mine defiantly didnt have it p.s since taking it and the air filter off I have lost 2-3psi of boost!! no foam on mine, bought some from mini dealer and added inside scoop to seal so much better carefree

Mar 15th, 2008, 02:43 PM	#20 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 01:37 PM Posts: 4,610 Online	Afternoon! Any pics? I tried it but I only ever ended up blocking the last row on the intercooler with foam. Maybe if a strong foam was glued around the back to the same height as the sides and then spacers put in the intercooler tray/ducting in the bonnet to lower it a bit to make a better seal. But then in all the testing I did there was never any problems with heat as the intercooler angled as it is will always trap air on each row and cool it. Obviously the better seal the more air thats forced down each row but even with a peak of 19psi I never had a problem. One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

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