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michaeld · Jun 26th, 2002, 08:28 PM

I haven't seen anything real specific as to what the "Works Conversion" actually consists of. Is this a kit availabe from Works that you can have installed on an "S" or Cooper? Or is it a tweaked Cooper that can only be ordered direct from BMW / John Cooper Works? I'm also wondering where the 200hp figure is coming from. That is for the "S" I assume? Thanks for any insight!

macncheese · Jun 26th, 2002, 09:55 PM

If we told you that, we wouldnt have anything to talk about.

--
Cheese

MINIAC · Jun 26th, 2002, 10:33 PM

The Works kit for the 'S' is being developed. Rumor has it both kits will be available in the US next year, and be fitted by MINI dealers.

For more info on the Cooper kit, click the logo below:

bigahead · Jun 27th, 2002, 08:47 PM

I e-mailed jcoop. works and as the following- Cooper s works availbale jan 2003, price £18,500. 200bhp

wonder what the waiting list is like?

Axel · Jun 28th, 2002, 11:37 AM

What is the rate conversion to US dollars?

Axel · Jun 28th, 2002, 11:43 AM

I got it amigos, $27,739.04 to much for so little of a car!!!

ELISEBOY · Jun 28th, 2002, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigahead
I e-mailed jcoop. works and as the following- Cooper s works availbale jan 2003, price £18,500. 200bhp

wonder what the waiting list is like?

18500!!!!

are you sure?

Thats over £4k for the conversion?

Richard said it would be around £3-3.5k

Racer · Jun 28th, 2002, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ELISEBOY

18500!!!!

are you sure?

Thats over £4k for the conversion?

Richard said it would be around £3-3.5k

And I'm sure he meant it - BUT he is a salesman at heart

ELISEBOY · Jun 28th, 2002, 05:59 PM

AidenL · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:04 PM

A lot of dosh, especially in € !!!.........

Wynn · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:06 PM

Well that's just asinine. What's a WRX, $24,500? With 20% more power and 100% more drive wheels (4WD). Yes, less character-- I wouldn't own a boring WRX. But a $27000 MINI is just ludicrous, particularly to underperform relative to any of many cars that cost several thousand less. A new 350Z will start at $26K. With 280hp. This price range includes all manner of crazy performance vehicles like special-model Mustangs and such. I know it's apples and oranges, and that you don't buy a MINI if what you really want is a muscle car; nor do you buy a Mustang if your heart is set on a MINI.

But that's fundamental to my point, and the basic truth of the matter: If you're a MINI person, you know better than to pay $27000 for the car, and it's not about performance-- it's about smiles, driving fun, and other such positive subjective factors. If your priority is power and you've got $30,000 to spend after adding the Xenon lamps you want and maybe leather or something, then a 200hp MINI doesn't make any sense or hold a candle to a Mustang or 350Z or Integra or WRX or whatever it is that you like at that price. And, you have to wonder whether that little 1.6L Pentagon 4-banger is going to explode in six years, cranked up to that power.

Besides, what in the heck could they possible do to the car to justify a $6000 markup? BETTER BREATHING? A different pulley on the supercharger? Come on. At $3000, these changes are expensive relative to the parts and labor, but perhaps you could justify the cost for the power gained. At $4000, friends (and your spouse) would have to question your judgement. $6000 is just insane. If that made it all-wheel-drive and 200hp, it'd still be expensive relative to a faster WRX, but geez. A Cooper S in America starts at $19,850 right now. At $27,000, that's almost a 50% premium and over $7000 over the sticker. Pounds, dollars, however you slice it, this price has got to be wrong-- or it's just utter, absolute foolishness to consider.

ELISEBOY · Jun 29th, 2002, 03:30 AM

Well i suppose that we should just wait and see what the pricing structure will be confirmed at and then make a decision from there

LMB · Jun 30th, 2002, 08:13 AM

I would consider getting the works conversion if it's in the £3K price bracket. But once you step into the £4K price bracket your starting to talk silly money. I would never pay that much.

ELISEBOY · Jun 30th, 2002, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LMB
I would never pay that much.

seems like a fair statement

MichaelK · Jul 1st, 2002, 08:41 AM

its between £3000 - £3500 for the Works S. Not sure where that £4K figure came from ! I've been assured that it won't be over £3500.

Panic over

Cheers

Michael

ELISEBOY · Jul 1st, 2002, 09:01 AM

Micheal, here is the original post,

Quote:

Originally posted by bigahead
I e-mailed jcoop. works and as the following- Cooper s works availbale jan 2003, price £18,500. 200bhp

£18500 = £4k!!!!

MichaelK · Jul 1st, 2002, 09:11 AM

Eliseboy,

I speced mine last saturday, and was assured it would not be above £3500, from both Richard and Mike.

I am almost 100% sure it will be some where in the region of £3K -£3.5

Cheers

Michael

Wynn · Jul 1st, 2002, 11:19 AM

That's $4500 to over $5000 US, and that's just too much for so little. ...even for a lot, it's too much.

Srexy · Jul 1st, 2002, 11:47 AM

That's too much money period. Even for warranty peace of mind...

Save your cash and wait for the aftermarket to catch up. I'm confident that exhaust/chip/pulley will get us to 200bhp no problems

MichaelK · Jul 1st, 2002, 12:32 PM

I guess it depends on what you want. You could just go and get your car chipped and up the HP and invalidate the warranty?

On the other hand. I'm happy to pay a little more for a unique car from JCW with its racing heritage and warranty intact. If you think about it, its roughly a 20% ish price increase for 20% power increase. The other good thing is that the car will hold its value better than any aftermarket tuners.

Only my thoughts

Cheers

Michael

Jun 26th, 2002, 08:28 PM	#1
michaeld MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Local Time: 01:24 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Cooper Works Conversion - Sum-Up I haven't seen anything real specific as to what the "Works Conversion" actually consists of. Is this a kit availabe from Works that you can have installed on an "S" or Cooper? Or is it a tweaked Cooper that can only be ordered direct from BMW / John Cooper Works? I'm also wondering where the 200hp figure is coming from. That is for the "S" I assume? Thanks for any insight! Michael D. http://www.SpeedGraphics.net Deposit down for an "S"- Indy Blue (as of now...)

Jun 27th, 2002, 08:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
bigahead MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: south west Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 329 Offline	jcw I e-mailed jcoop. works and as the following- Cooper s works availbale jan 2003, price £18,500. 200bhp wonder what the waiting list is like?

Jun 28th, 2002, 11:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
Axel MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Jacksonville , FL Local Time: 08:24 PM Posts: 94 Offline	What is the rate conversion to US dollars? Formerly Mini Chopo "S"

Jun 28th, 2002, 11:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Axel MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Jacksonville , FL Local Time: 08:24 PM Posts: 94 Offline	I got it amigos, $27,739.04 to much for so little of a car!!! Formerly Mini Chopo "S"

Jun 28th, 2002, 01:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
ELISEBOY MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Essex Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 2,163 Offline	Re: jcw Quote: Originally posted by bigahead I e-mailed jcoop. works and as the following- Cooper s works availbale jan 2003, price £18,500. 200bhp wonder what the waiting list is like? 18500!!!! are you sure? Thats over £4k for the conversion? Richard said it would be around £3-3.5k

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Jun 26th, 2002, 09:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
macncheese MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 1,224 Offline	If we told you that, we wouldnt have anything to talk about. -- Cheese

Jun 26th, 2002, 10:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 06:24 PM Posts: 8,715 Offline	The Works kit for the 'S' is being developed. Rumor has it both kits will be available in the US next year, and be fitted by MINI dealers. For more info on the Cooper kit, click the logo below:

Jun 28th, 2002, 05:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Racer Sponsor,Moderator & Racer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kent Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 1,373 Offline	Re: Re: jcw Quote: Originally posted by ELISEBOY 18500!!!! are you sure? Thats over £4k for the conversion? Richard said it would be around £3-3.5k And I'm sure he meant it - BUT he is a salesman at heart JCW Club Sport Kawasaki Green / White Unofficial John Cooper Challenge Site

Jun 28th, 2002, 05:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
ELISEBOY MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Essex Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 2,163 Offline

Jun 28th, 2002, 08:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 42,173 Offline	A lot of dosh, especially in € !!!......... *Global Moderator*

Jun 28th, 2002, 08:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
Wynn MINI2 Senior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Local Time: 07:24 PM Posts: 597 Offline	Forget it. Well that's just asinine. What's a WRX, $24,500? With 20% more power and 100% more drive wheels (4WD). Yes, less character-- I wouldn't own a boring WRX. But a $27000 MINI is just ludicrous, particularly to underperform relative to any of many cars that cost several thousand less. A new 350Z will start at $26K. With 280hp. This price range includes all manner of crazy performance vehicles like special-model Mustangs and such. I know it's apples and oranges, and that you don't buy a MINI if what you really want is a muscle car; nor do you buy a Mustang if your heart is set on a MINI. But that's fundamental to my point, and the basic truth of the matter: If you're a MINI person, you know better than to pay $27000 for the car, and it's not about performance-- it's about smiles, driving fun, and other such positive subjective factors. If your priority is power and you've got $30,000 to spend after adding the Xenon lamps you want and maybe leather or something, then a 200hp MINI doesn't make any sense or hold a candle to a Mustang or 350Z or Integra or WRX or whatever it is that you like at that price. And, you have to wonder whether that little 1.6L Pentagon 4-banger is going to explode in six years, cranked up to that power. Besides, what in the heck could they possible do to the car to justify a $6000 markup? BETTER BREATHING? A different pulley on the supercharger? Come on. At $3000, these changes are expensive relative to the parts and labor, but perhaps you could justify the cost for the power gained. At $4000, friends (and your spouse) would have to question your judgement. $6000 is just insane. If that made it all-wheel-drive and 200hp, it'd still be expensive relative to a faster WRX, but geez. A Cooper S in America starts at $19,850 right now. At $27,000, that's almost a 50% premium and over $7000 over the sticker. Pounds, dollars, however you slice it, this price has got to be wrong-- or it's just utter, absolute foolishness to consider. Texan. Goofy. Sometimes witty. Pacifist. Imperfect, nice guy. Trying.

Jun 29th, 2002, 03:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
ELISEBOY MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Essex Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 2,163 Offline	Well i suppose that we should just wait and see what the pricing structure will be confirmed at and then make a decision from there

Jun 30th, 2002, 08:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 24,967 Offline	I would consider getting the works conversion if it's in the £3K price bracket. But once you step into the £4K price bracket your starting to talk silly money. I would never pay that much. Global Moderator

Jun 30th, 2002, 04:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
ELISEBOY MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Essex Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 2,163 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by LMB I would never pay that much. seems like a fair statement

Jul 1st, 2002, 08:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 01:24 AM Posts: 342 Offline	its between £3000 - £3500 for the Works S. Not sure where that £4K figure came from ! I've been assured that it won't be over £3500. Panic over Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Jul 1st, 2002, 09:01 AM	#16 (permalink)
ELISEBOY MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Essex Local Time: 02:24 AM Posts: 2,163 Offline	Re: jcw Micheal, here is the original post, Quote: Originally posted by bigahead I e-mailed jcoop. works and as the following- Cooper s works availbale jan 2003, price £18,500. 200bhp £18500 = £4k!!!!

Jul 1st, 2002, 09:11 AM	#17 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 01:24 AM Posts: 342 Offline	Eliseboy, I speced mine last saturday, and was assured it would not be above £3500, from both Richard and Mike. I am almost 100% sure it will be some where in the region of £3K -£3.5 Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Jul 1st, 2002, 11:19 AM	#18 (permalink)
Wynn MINI2 Senior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Local Time: 07:24 PM Posts: 597 Offline	Too much That's $4500 to over $5000 US, and that's just too much for so little. ...even for a lot, it's too much. Texan. Goofy. Sometimes witty. Pacifist. Imperfect, nice guy. Trying.

Jul 1st, 2002, 11:47 AM	#19 (permalink)
Srexy MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Local Time: 05:24 PM Posts: 13 Offline	That's too much money period. Even for warranty peace of mind... Save your cash and wait for the aftermarket to catch up. I'm confident that exhaust/chip/pulley will get us to 200bhp no problems Deposit down - no idea when... Currently 2001 GTI 1.8T

Jul 1st, 2002, 12:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 01:24 AM Posts: 342 Offline	I guess it depends on what you want. You could just go and get your car chipped and up the HP and invalidate the warranty? On the other hand. I'm happy to pay a little more for a unique car from JCW with its racing heritage and warranty intact. If you think about it, its roughly a 20% ish price increase for 20% power increase. The other good thing is that the car will hold its value better than any aftermarket tuners. Only my thoughts Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

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