[cooperswork]

I was curious to know if anyone had raced against a civic type R in their standard 210bhp works CS? On paper there's not alot between them but what about on the track? I was mostly curious cos my mate has a type R and I'll be taking delivery of my CS JCW in a couple of months and he's always banging on about how great/quick his car is. I've driven his car and test drove a nicely broken in JCW and I couldn't tell the difference in terms of acceleration, obviously the mini felt more sure footed in the twisty bits. Anyone know or got an opinion?

[Northern_Monkey]

The only experience i have had is trying to get past a JCW on the ring this year. The JCW was only slightly slower on the straights than the scooby were in, but was quicker in the corners but i know we struggled to get past the JCW. The scooby was a modded WRX, 262bhp....

I know its not a Type R comparison but i was impressed anyway!!

[cooperswork]

Quote: Originally Posted by Northern_Monkey

The only experience i have had is trying to get past a JCW on the ring this year. The JCW was only slightly slower on the straights than the scooby were in, but was quicker in the corners but i know we struggled to get past the JCW. The scooby was a modded WRX, 262bhp....

I know its not a Type R comparison but i was impressed anyway!!

Hang on, did you say the JCW cornered better than the 4wd scooby? Could it be the JCW driver had more bottle than the scooby driver?

[Rakey]

for the record, conversations about illegal activities such as road racing are no premitted on MINI2, so keep this legal or it will be removed

[cooperswork]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

for the record, conversations about illegal activities such as road racing are no premitted on MINI2, so keep this legal or it will be removed

I am of course talking about hard, but not dangerous, acceleration up to but not over 30mph (or whatever speed limit, or road conditions permitting, is allowable under the road safety traffic act of 1987 (sub-section 1.7)) I would never condone or encourage the driving of any vehicle in such a way that would be considered an endangerment to pedestrians, other road users or small animals that may be crossing the road.

[wibbly]

Thats ok then

[Klayre]

I haven't driven a JCW, but I have driven a standard Cooper S and a Civic Type R. Even without the works kit, I still feel the Cooper S is quicker. It just feels so much better too. To be honest I was entirely unimpressed with the Civic after all the hype I'd heard.

[Northern_Monkey]

Quote: Originally Posted by cooperswork

Hang on, did you say the JCW cornered better than the 4wd scooby? Could it be the JCW driver had more bottle than the scooby driver?

Nahhh the scooby was quicker in the corners, but i think the JCW driver didnt have the bottle as my mate... he is a loon.

What was even better was the fact that my mate was getting more frustrated about being held up by a mini, and not being able to get past it...

[Tonyt3]

Depends on the track I think. People say 'the track' but then don't qualify what their talking about. On a really fast sweeping track such as Goodwood, or Thruxton, I would expect the CTR to have the advantage. On a twisty track, such as Croft, I think the Mini would have the advantage.

The last edition of the CTR was apparantly much improved in the handeling devision, so perhaps it would be close. However, track work is 99% driver skill, not a few BHP difference in cars, so the only way of telling would be for the same skilled driver to run them back to back.

Come to my track day at Bedford Autodrome Sat 22nd October), bound to be some CTR's out there, watch me blow them away....

[Northern_Monkey]

Our trip was at the Nordschliefe and there a few long straights that would make a difference with a few more BHPs... Totally agree with you on the drivers skill, but i think thats only the case to some degree...

[uncle albert]

On my MINI adventure to North Wales a few weeks back, I spotted a Civic Type R growing in my rear view mirror rather quickly, despite my foot flat to the floor...then I dropped it to 5th.

[cooperswork]

Quote: Originally Posted by uncle albert

On my MINI adventure to North Wales a few weeks back, I spotted a Civic Type R growing in my rear view mirror rather quickly, despite my foot flat to the floor...then I dropped it to 5th.

Curiosity sparked, what happened next, did he overtake , did you starting edging away , did you leave him for dust ??????

[uncle albert]

Quote: Originally Posted by cooperswork

Curiosity sparked, what happened next, did he overtake , did you starting edging away , did you leave him for dust ??????

Hehe, well, this was a very long straight road, and I think he had every intention to pass me, but once he realised his rate of gaining on me had radically slowed, he thought twice!

EDIT: I am in no way saying I got the better of him, however!

[Lucky Dave]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3

Depends on the track I think. People say 'the track' but then don't qualify what their talking about. On a really fast sweeping track such as Goodwood, or Thruxton, I would expect the CTR to have the advantage. On a twisty track, such as Croft, I think the Mini would have the advantage.

The last edition of the CTR was apparantly much improved in the handeling devision, so perhaps it would be close. However, track work is 99% driver skill, not a few BHP difference in cars, so the only way of telling would be for the same skilled driver to run them back to back.

Come to my track day at Bedford Autodrome Sat 22nd October), bound to be some CTR's out there, watch me blow them away....

Agreed, I saw you fly at bruntingthorpe

My money is on you!

[cooper7]

I went out with Tony at Bruntingthorpe so my money is defintiely on him!

[Cooper_Andy]

I now have a CTR, however I've never driven a JCW-S so i can't really comment, all i can say is that when i was selling my Cooper, i really wanted a Cooper-S being in love with the mini, however i ended up with the Type-R because the Cooper-S didn't feel that quick. Would have liked to consider the JCW, but that was out of my price range.

[Cooper_Andy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Max

Yes.

The Civic lost it in the twisties

When?

[RedUn]

Quote: Originally Posted by cooperswork

I was curious to know if anyone had raced against a civic type R in their standard 210bhp works CS? On paper there's not alot between them but what about on the track? I was mostly curious cos my mate has a type R and I'll be taking delivery of my CS JCW in a couple of months and he's always banging on about how great/quick his car is. I've driven his car and test drove a nicely broken in JCW and I couldn't tell the difference in terms of acceleration, obviously the mini felt more sure footed in the twisty bits. Anyone know or got an opinion?

the only fast honda is the NSX

nah seriously the type-r is'nt fast at all, drove an s2000 the other day and that was pretty slow as well tbh, kinda expected a lot more from the s2k tho

a 220bhp Mini would see either car off if you ask me

I had a do with an integra type r when my S was pretty std and i just managed to pip him to the err speed limit

[Cooper_Andy]

its only fair to compare standard JCW against the standard CTRs, otherwise there are plenty of CTR's with the JR Supercharger running 280bhp with sub 14 sec quarter miles which would beat most modified Cooper-S's.

I've yet to see any facts to prove the JCW is quicker in a straight line, or round a track.....every test i have seen, magazine and TV included has come out with the CTR quicker.

If your saying the Civic Type-R isn't fast then all i can say is look at the performance figures and work it out for yourself. As for racing on the roads, thats all down to driver skill and you can't say one car is faster than the other just because you could keep up with it on a country lane. Hey i kept up with a 330ci in my Cooper for about 3 miles on some country lanes, the Cooper's now faster than a 330 is it?!

Andy.

[RedUn]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper_Andy

its only fair to compare standard JCW against the standard CTRs, otherwise there are plenty of CTR's with the JR Supercharger running 280bhp with sub 13 sec quarter miles which would beat most modified Cooper-S's.

I've yet to see any facts to prove the JCW is quicker in a straight line, or round a track.....every test i have seen, magazine and TV included has come out with the CTR quicker.

If your saying the Civic Type-R isn't fast then all i can say is look at the performance figures and work it out for yourself. As for racing on the roads, thats all down to driver skill and you can't say one car is faster than the other just because you could keep up with it on a country lane. Hey i kept up with a 330ci in my Cooper for about 3 miles on some country lanes, the Cooper's now faster than a 330 is it?!

Andy.

thats quite right, back to the original point, std JCW 210bhp against the 210bhp Type R, upto say 120 i'd put money on the JCW after that the Mini's aerodynamics (if u can call them that) really don't do it any favours and I think the civic would be quicker after that

as for round a track, I think that would be close if you got a mini on the same tires as the type r, the runflats do the mini no favours when it comes to grip

yeh it is quite fast, according to the figures but so are scooby's by no way it is a slow car, maybe i'm expecting too much
2 of my mates have type r's thats how I know what sort of performance to expect from them

don't expect to much from a 330 either

in all fairness i'd buy a 182 trophy over the type r