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femstar · Jun 18th, 2008, 09:27 PM

Guy's factory fit JCWS became avail from Oct 2005 after being announced in July 05. But of course a dealership could still perform a retro fit.

Vitesse · Jun 25th, 2008, 12:36 PM

So is an R56 with JCW as quick as a GP? Or would the GP simply out handle it?

I think the R56 standard S is deemed to be as quick or quicker than a JCW R53? I'm just going on what I have read on here.

Rakey · Jun 25th, 2008, 01:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Vitesse (original)

So is an R56 with JCW as quick as a GP? Or would the GP simply out handle it?

I think the R56 standard S is deemed to be as quick or quicker than a JCW R53? I'm just going on what I have read on here.

R56 is as quick as R53 JCW, correct
R56 MCS is not as quick as GP
R56 JCW1 against a GP, not tried that, but I'd bet you are right about handling comparison

Goonery · Jun 25th, 2008, 05:37 PM

The R55/6 with JCW and brakes and suspension is about as quick in a straight line as the GP, but the GP is lighter by quite a bit so reacts better on the twisty bits at full chat without the DSC/ASC cutting in, if you turn off the stability controls the back end gets a bit

on the 56 wheras the GP just slides around with scrabbling tyres IMO

Prowse · Jul 7th, 2008, 08:05 AM

Had a test drive in a GP over the weekend: I really wanted to love it and was very excited, but it's just not a big enough improvement over my JCW. It's a little like hi-fi; subtle difference that you pay a lot for, IMHO it should have been four/rear-wheel drive with less weight and more power, but that would have changed the MINI-ness. I didn't think that road noise would be an issue for me, but it was, which I was suprised about. I've also had a few people say that it looks a bit 'Halfords', some didn't like the rear spoiler, other didn't like the wheels - though I do love the look of it, probably not the right car for the car park at work either (chav-magnet).

Feeling quite dissapointed.

GBMINI · Jul 7th, 2008, 01:23 PM

They must be different in England

GPMINI still regularly gets positive comments from people.

Sorry you didn't like it - but instead, you love your current JCW hopefully.

BTW: I suspect 4WD would make the car heavier, so 4WD+lighter is very unlikely!

Fin · Jul 7th, 2008, 10:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Prowse (original)

Had a test drive in a GP over the weekend: I really wanted to love it and was very excited, but it's just not a big enough improvement over my JCW. It's a little like hi-fi; subtle difference that you pay a lot for, IMHO it should have been four/rear-wheel drive with less weight and more power, but that would have changed the MINI-ness. I didn't think that road noise would be an issue for me, but it was, which I was suprised about. I've also had a few people say that it looks a bit 'Halfords', some didn't like the rear spoiler, other didn't like the wheels - though I do love the look of it, probably not the right car for the car park at work either (chav-magnet).

Feeling quite dissapointed.

That's a shame.

I haven't driven an R53 Cooper S JCW to compare the magintude of the improvement with the GP. From those I have spoken to who have come from an R53 JCW to a GP, the impression they had was that the GP was a more complete package.

With regards to aesthetics, the GP will always divide opinion. However, the spoiler, rather than just some bolt-on halfords crap actually serves a legitimate purpose in helping reduce lift and lower the drag coefficient over the regular Cooper S. For me, that forgives any looks!

GARY GP · Jul 7th, 2008, 10:11 PM

They say the GP can do a genuine156mph that's what i heard...

antonyc31 · Jul 10th, 2008, 07:15 AM

"R56 is as quick as R53 JCW, correct
R56 MCS is not as quick as GP
R56 JCW1 against a GP, not tried that, but I'd bet you are right about handling comparison"

In reality the above data is quite meaningless in real world driving conditions and my view is just
go with what looks right for you.

Once you figure in driving ability, nerve (or stupidity), petrol in tank, passenger etc then it really all evens out.

I have an old JCW and was overtaken and left for dead by a standard cooper the other day just beacuse I was a bit dozey and slow off the mark etc and had a full tank, luggage and three passengers.

Unless its a track day toy then surely the best car for you is based on the deal, look, practicality
of having 2/4 seats, mpg etc

All great cars in the end though

Antony

C15WKS · Jul 11th, 2008, 03:55 PM

Of course there is the option of the faactory 06 JCW with the 225 upgrade and a GP intercooler !!, I wonder how that would fare against a GP? or an R56.......

Mike Edwards · Jul 21st, 2008, 08:56 PM

Bring it on...

Will be test-driving an R56 JCW this weekend, so will let you know how it goes (Prediction: better ride and gear change, but not as quick as a Works 225 with GP intercooler - which ought to be making 230+bhp...)

wannes · Jul 25th, 2008, 02:13 PM

i 've got a 53 S JCW ( engine and breakes from the factory 2005) and recently a full JCW factory stage 2 ( 211 pk) .
The 56 realy is the quicker car, but the 53 is more like a cart! The suspension give more feedback than the one on the 56... also the power steering in the 56 is to soft... with the sportbutton on it a little better..but not as in the 53.

the 53 looks better than the 56 but general the 56 is the better car....much more grown up .

i will post some pics when i'm able too

mattyc · Jul 25th, 2008, 02:53 PM

[quote=

the 53 looks better than the 56 but general the 56 is the better car....much more grown up .

i will post some pics when i'm able too[/QUOTE]

that's the main reason i don't like the new 56, it's got all grown up and developed middle age spread!
I'm on my 4th supercharged mini.
I just couldn't bring myself to take that minger home so went for the GP!

wannes · Jul 25th, 2008, 08:09 PM

wannes · Jul 26th, 2008, 04:58 PM

thx mate

i will practice to get it good next time

Prowse · Jul 27th, 2008, 10:13 AM

Test-drove the R56 factory JCW this morning.

As you might be aware I'm really not a fan of the R56, but blimey it's fast when compared to my r53 JCW or the GP!

Photos and more details here...
http://www.mini2.com/forum/3508506-post29.html

GARY GP · Jul 31st, 2008, 05:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Prowse (original)

Test-drove the R56 factory JCW this morning.

As you might be aware I'm really not a fan of the R56, but blimey it's fast when compared to my r53 JCW or the GP!

Photos and more details here...
http://http://www.mini2.com/forum/3508506-post29.html

i have driven a jcw r56 but my GP is still more rewarding...

if i was to rev out the GP it still has more..

BRGJCW · Aug 29th, 2008, 12:36 PM

Not sure we get the GP down here but we had the R53 JCW MCS's available from 2002. This is all fairly new to me as I'm in the market looking for a R53 MCS preferably with the JCW Kit.

GBMINI · Aug 29th, 2008, 06:38 PM

See GPMINI.net » Introduction - Australia sadly is not included in the list.

Jun 25th, 2008, 01:18 PM	#23 (permalink)
Rakey Four Candles? My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hardware Shop Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 51,172 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Vitesse (original) So is an R56 with JCW as quick as a GP? Or would the GP simply out handle it? I think the R56 standard S is deemed to be as quick or quicker than a JCW R53? I'm just going on what I have read on here. R56 is as quick as R53 JCW, correct R56 MCS is not as quick as GP R56 JCW1 against a GP, not tried that, but I'd bet you are right about handling comparison The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?
http://www.mini2.com/forum/

Jul 7th, 2008, 01:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
GBMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gloucester, MA, USA Local Time: 09:14 PM Posts: 7,604 Offline	They must be different in England GPMINI still regularly gets positive comments from people. Sorry you didn't like it - but instead, you love your current JCW hopefully. BTW: I suspect 4WD would make the car heavier, so 4WD+lighter is very unlikely! Ian C. Gloucester, MA, USA (UK expat) driving GPMINI and Convertible GBMINI#6

Jul 25th, 2008, 08:09 PM	#34 (permalink)
wannes MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Local Time: 03:14 AM Posts: 33 Offline	R53 vs R56 Last edited by MINIAC : Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:18 PM. Reason: Make images clickable thumbnails

Jul 27th, 2008, 10:13 AM	#36 (permalink)
Prowse MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lancs Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 1,542 Offline	Blimey! Test-drove the R56 factory JCW this morning. As you might be aware I'm really not a fan of the R56, but blimey it's fast when compared to my r53 JCW or the GP! Photos and more details here... http://www.mini2.com/forum/3508506-post29.html Last edited by MINIAC : Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:20 PM. Reason: fix link

Aug 29th, 2008, 06:38 PM	#39 (permalink)
GBMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gloucester, MA, USA Local Time: 09:14 PM Posts: 7,604 Offline	See GPMINI.net » Introduction - Australia sadly is not included in the list. Ian C. Gloucester, MA, USA (UK expat) driving GPMINI and Convertible GBMINI#6

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femstar MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 153 Offline	Guy's factory fit JCWS became avail from Oct 2005 after being announced in July 05. But of course a dealership could still perform a retro fit.

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Jun 25th, 2008, 12:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
Vitesse MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Westerham Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 685 Offline	So is an R56 with JCW as quick as a GP? Or would the GP simply out handle it? I think the R56 standard S is deemed to be as quick or quicker than a JCW R53? I'm just going on what I have read on here.

Jun 25th, 2008, 05:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
Goonery You can put lipstick on.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 13,713 Offline	The R55/6 with JCW and brakes and suspension is about as quick in a straight line as the GP, but the GP is lighter by quite a bit so reacts better on the twisty bits at full chat without the DSC/ASC cutting in, if you turn off the stability controls the back end gets a bit on the 56 wheras the GP just slides around with scrabbling tyres IMO

Jul 7th, 2008, 08:05 AM	#25 (permalink)
Prowse MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lancs Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 1,542 Offline	Had a test drive in a GP over the weekend: I really wanted to love it and was very excited, but it's just not a big enough improvement over my JCW. It's a little like hi-fi; subtle difference that you pay a lot for, IMHO it should have been four/rear-wheel drive with less weight and more power, but that would have changed the MINI-ness. I didn't think that road noise would be an issue for me, but it was, which I was suprised about. I've also had a few people say that it looks a bit 'Halfords', some didn't like the rear spoiler, other didn't like the wheels - though I do love the look of it, probably not the right car for the car park at work either (chav-magnet). Feeling quite dissapointed.

Jul 7th, 2008, 10:04 PM	#27 (permalink)
Fin Giggity-goo! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dangling by a thread Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 2,616 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Prowse (original) Had a test drive in a GP over the weekend: I really wanted to love it and was very excited, but it's just not a big enough improvement over my JCW. It's a little like hi-fi; subtle difference that you pay a lot for, IMHO it should have been four/rear-wheel drive with less weight and more power, but that would have changed the MINI-ness. I didn't think that road noise would be an issue for me, but it was, which I was suprised about. I've also had a few people say that it looks a bit 'Halfords', some didn't like the rear spoiler, other didn't like the wheels - though I do love the look of it, probably not the right car for the car park at work either (chav-magnet). Feeling quite dissapointed. That's a shame. I haven't driven an R53 Cooper S JCW to compare the magintude of the improvement with the GP. From those I have spoken to who have come from an R53 JCW to a GP, the impression they had was that the GP was a more complete package. With regards to aesthetics, the GP will always divide opinion. However, the spoiler, rather than just some bolt-on halfords crap actually serves a legitimate purpose in helping reduce lift and lower the drag coefficient over the regular Cooper S. For me, that forgives any looks!

Jul 7th, 2008, 10:11 PM	#28 (permalink)
GARY GP GP-1528 My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 859 Offline	They say the GP can do a genuine156mph that's what i heard...

Jul 10th, 2008, 07:15 AM	#29 (permalink)
antonyc31 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Local Time: 08:14 PM Posts: 45 Offline	"R56 is as quick as R53 JCW, correct R56 MCS is not as quick as GP R56 JCW1 against a GP, not tried that, but I'd bet you are right about handling comparison" In reality the above data is quite meaningless in real world driving conditions and my view is just go with what looks right for you. Once you figure in driving ability, nerve (or stupidity), petrol in tank, passenger etc then it really all evens out. I have an old JCW and was overtaken and left for dead by a standard cooper the other day just beacuse I was a bit dozey and slow off the mark etc and had a full tank, luggage and three passengers. Unless its a track day toy then surely the best car for you is based on the deal, look, practicality of having 2/4 seats, mpg etc All great cars in the end though Antony

Jul 11th, 2008, 03:55 PM	#30 (permalink)
C15WKS By-Tor and the Snow Dog My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bishops Stortford. H Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 29 Offline	Of course there is the option of the faactory 06 JCW with the 225 upgrade and a GP intercooler !!, I wonder how that would fare against a GP? or an R56.......

Jul 21st, 2008, 08:56 PM	#31 (permalink)
Mike Edwards MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Herefordshire Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 836 Offline	Bring it on... Will be test-driving an R56 JCW this weekend, so will let you know how it goes (Prediction: better ride and gear change, but not as quick as a Works 225 with GP intercooler - which ought to be making 230+bhp...)

Jul 25th, 2008, 02:13 PM	#32 (permalink)
wannes MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Local Time: 03:14 AM Posts: 33 Offline	i 've got a 53 S JCW ( engine and breakes from the factory 2005) and recently a full JCW factory stage 2 ( 211 pk) . The 56 realy is the quicker car, but the 53 is more like a cart! The suspension give more feedback than the one on the 56... also the power steering in the 56 is to soft... with the sportbutton on it a little better..but not as in the 53. the 53 looks better than the 56 but general the 56 is the better car....much more grown up . i will post some pics when i'm able too

Jul 25th, 2008, 02:53 PM	#33 (permalink)
mattyc MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: weybridge surrey Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 371 Offline	[quote= the 53 looks better than the 56 but general the 56 is the better car....much more grown up . i will post some pics when i'm able too[/QUOTE] that's the main reason i don't like the new 56, it's got all grown up and developed middle age spread! I'm on my 4th supercharged mini. I just couldn't bring myself to take that minger home so went for the GP!

Jul 26th, 2008, 04:58 PM	#35 (permalink)
wannes MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Local Time: 03:14 AM Posts: 33 Offline	thx mate i will practice to get it good next time

Jul 31st, 2008, 05:12 PM	#37 (permalink)
GARY GP GP-1528 My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 02:14 AM Posts: 859 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Prowse (original) Test-drove the R56 factory JCW this morning. As you might be aware I'm really not a fan of the R56, but blimey it's fast when compared to my r53 JCW or the GP! Photos and more details here... http://http://www.mini2.com/forum/3508506-post29.html i have driven a jcw r56 but my GP is still more rewarding... if i was to rev out the GP it still has more..

Aug 29th, 2008, 12:36 PM	#38 (permalink)
BRGJCW 156kW out of the box Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Eltham, Victoria Local Time: 11:14 AM Posts: 5 Offline	Not sure we get the GP down here but we had the R53 JCW MCS's available from 2002. This is all fairly new to me as I'm in the market looking for a R53 MCS preferably with the JCW Kit.

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