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dpt · Dec 23rd, 2002, 10:57 AM

I have been thinking of exchanging my Cooper in September for a Cooper S. I totally enjoy my Cooper but want a bit more power. Would you go for the John Cooper Works Convesion on my current Cooper or part-ex for a Cooper S???
If I went for the Cooper S I would want the exact colours and interiors I have now.

R1 · Dec 23rd, 2002, 12:50 PM

Look into how much it costs for the full Works conversion. I think you'll find that it will come out to around the same as the extra you'll pay for an "S" as the Works kit is to expensive in my view!

If your spending that much, order the "S".

stokey · Dec 23rd, 2002, 02:47 PM

I second what R1 said, the John Cooper Works conversion appears to be a most expensive way of gaining a minor performance increase. Get your order in for an s, mind you'll be waiting until next summer! I ordered in Nov and have been quoted June for delivery

Stokey

lotuseatsvipers · Dec 23rd, 2002, 02:59 PM

I personally like how the jcw achieves their power gains, and it seems like a great reliable means to have a fun car. If you like the car now and don't want to take the huge financial hit from trading it in so quickly, go with the jcw. I've never even seen one in person so don't take my word for it, just my opinion.

If JCW was offered in america, I would get it.

Also I think unlike most aftermarket mods, JCW would ADD to the resale value of your MC rather than detract from it! So in the end it might just end up costing a lot less than other modding routes, just something to think about.

DinkaDonka · Dec 23rd, 2002, 03:25 PM

I must be dead lucky cos i just ordered my MCS on saturday and its due on Feb 17th, or earlier!! dunno how its so short but im chuffed, i too have a cooper and wanted more power and am defo going for the MCS because u can do so much to the engine without having to mod any other bit , gearbox etc (to a certain extent!!)

Paul

Damo · Dec 23rd, 2002, 06:55 PM

I went to the JCW not to long ago and what did the dealer tell me:

"Get the S, its got 6 gears, more power, keeps TLC for relatively the same price........

........then get the Works upgrade for that!"

Now if the JCW tells me that!

He went on to say works upgrade more for the racing (if my memory serves me right).

AidenL · Dec 24th, 2002, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Damo
I went to the JCW not to long ago and what did the dealer tell me:

"Get the S, its got 6 gears, more power, keeps TLC for relatively the same price........

........then get the Works upgrade for that!"

Now if the JCW tells me that!

He went on to say works upgrade more for the racing (if my memory serves me right).

That does make sense !!

Way to go I think !

R1 · Dec 24th, 2002, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lotuseatsvipers
I personally like how the jcw achieves their power gains, and it seems like a great reliable means to have a fun car. If you like the car now and don't want to take the huge financial hit from trading it in so quickly, go with the jcw. I've never even seen one in person so don't take my word for it, just my opinion.

If JCW was offered in america, I would get it.

Also I think unlike most aftermarket mods, JCW would ADD to the resale value of your MC rather than detract from it! So in the end it might just end up costing a lot less than other modding routes, just something to think about.

I agree, but it is just to expensive!

Maybe it's the JCW name.

stormcrow · Dec 24th, 2002, 07:48 AM

I'll keep me eyes peeled and give ya a flash Dinka !
Most of em are miserable buggers who divunt flash back up here.

DinkaDonka · Dec 24th, 2002, 08:11 AM

Hi Storm Crow , gotta agree with u , seen loads of minis around toon and durham etc and NOT 1 has flashed yet!! such a shame as well , have yet to see u tho but im sure ill recognise u as u willbe the only one who flashes , my cars PS/B by the way, well unitl febuary, hehe

Cheers mate,
Paul

lotuseatsvipers · Dec 24th, 2002, 09:23 AM

I think everyone is missing something, he just wants a bit more power but loves the car he has now.

Quote:

I totally enjoy my Cooper but want a bit more power.

If he sells his cooper so soon he'll lose a lot of money in the trade (at least as much as the JCW is going to cost). Sure the JCW costs what appears to be a lot of money. But I am almost certain that one would get a decent amount back when selling the vehicle.

Now if I had had finances able to deal with owning a cooper S from the beginning thats what I would have done. But now that I have and love my cooper, if or when I ever decide to mod it, JCW will be my first choice unless something else comes around. It just makes sense.

If you can handle trading in your cooper than do it, but otherwise the JCW kit is a perfectly acceptable alternative.

Bonnie Scotland · Dec 25th, 2002, 07:04 AM

Go for the "S", you'll never regret it, then go for the Hartge 212 BHP conversion from Birds in Uxbridge, a snip at 1500 quid + vat.

Please don't drag me into the warranty issue quagmire, thanks.

alan fae bonnie scotland

LMB · Dec 25th, 2002, 08:32 AM

Cooper S all the way...

A standard Cooper only has 115bhp

A Works Cooper has 130bhp......that's only an increase of 15bhp. For £2,500 that's a lot of money for relatively little gain.

A Cooper S on the other hand...

For the £2,900 you pay on top of a standard Cooper you get:

Supercharger
6 Speed Gearbox
Twin Chrome Exhaust Pipe
Leather Steering Wheel/Gearknob
White Side Indicators
Sports Suspension Plus
Sports Seats
Sport Front and Rear Bumpers
16"Light Alloy Wheels
RunFlats
Roof Spoiler in Roof Colour
Intercooler
Chrome Plated Side Indicator Grilles
Chrome Plated Fuel Filler Cap
Bonnet Air In take
ASC+T
Aluminium Look Interior Trim
Alarm (Thatcham CAT1)

......plus the cars is and absolute hoot to drive to boot.

lotuseatsvipers · Dec 25th, 2002, 07:54 PM

You guys/gals act like this is a pre-carpurchase decision. He already has a cooper.

eh whatever, do what you can afford. You CAN'T possibly make a bad decision.

Bonnie Scotland · Dec 26th, 2002, 05:03 AM

Quote:

dpt asked
I have been thinking of exchanging my Cooper in September for a Cooper S. I totally enjoy my Cooper but want a bit more power. Would you go for the John Cooper Works Convesion on my current Cooper or part-ex for a Cooper S???
If I went for the Cooper S I would want the exact colours and interiors I have now

Quote:

lotuseatsvipers said
You guys/gals act like this is a pre-carpurchase decision. He already has a cooper.

eh whatever, do what you can afford. You CAN'T possibly make a bad decision

I think if you read the question properly he did ask what to do

I would agree that he cannot make a bad decision though.

alan fae bonnie scotland

thegrommit · Dec 26th, 2002, 10:20 AM

The biggest advantage of the JCW route would be that the Cooper is in "stealth" mode - unlike the S with it's modified snout.

lotuseatsvipers · Dec 26th, 2002, 12:58 PM

Personally I would love to have a very quick/powerful N/A car. It just feels cool to say my car is this quick off regular old mechanics and car know how.

turbo's and superchargers are still cool of course, maybe I'm just being affected by this honda vtec "revolution"...hope not.

Bonnie Scotland · Dec 26th, 2002, 04:52 PM

Quote:

lotuseatsvipers said
turbo's and superchargers are still cool of course, maybe I'm just being affected by this honda vtec "revolution"...hope not

I think that maybe you should get yourself one of these vtec's, as your screen name suggests, maybe you would feel more at home in the Honda forum

alan fae bonnie scotland

lotuseatsvipers · Dec 26th, 2002, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bonnie Scotland
I think that maybe you should get yourself one of these vtec's, as your screen name suggests, maybe you would feel more at home in the Honda forum

alan fae bonnie scotland

what does my name have to do with honda? Do you have something against Lotus

and just to share my friends online name is viperseatlotus...just an old joke.

ps. and a honda engine would be a heck of a lot better than the chrysler engine we have now (faster, more economical and more durable - probably). So I wouldn't diss it too much. --and I'm not exactly a fan of honda.

SteveS · Dec 26th, 2002, 07:10 PM

try to find someone who has the JCWorks pkg. I have heard the cooper is quick as S at lower speed (to 40 or so). It is geared lower so acceleration is better at lower speeds. It gets better economy as compression is higher, so it is more efficient. It probably is a little more responsive than the supercharged S. You might find it is a good fit for you. Work the figures, though. If you can sell hi and buy low, the S is a stronger car. - forged crank and rods, oil sprayers under pistons, getrag trans, sport suspension, etc.

Dec 23rd, 2002, 10:57 AM	#1
dpt MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Midlands, UK Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 14 Offline	John Cooper Works 'V' Cooper S I have been thinking of exchanging my Cooper in September for a Cooper S. I totally enjoy my Cooper but want a bit more power. Would you go for the John Cooper Works Convesion on my current Cooper or part-ex for a Cooper S??? If I went for the Cooper S I would want the exact colours and interiors I have now. DPT

Dec 23rd, 2002, 02:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
stokey MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: stoke Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 58 Offline	I second what R1 said, the John Cooper Works conversion appears to be a most expensive way of gaining a minor performance increase. Get your order in for an s, mind you'll be waiting until next summer! I ordered in Nov and have been quoted June for delivery Stokey ON A MISSION FOR MR BRIDGER!

Dec 23rd, 2002, 02:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
lotuseatsvipers MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: florida Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 96 Offline	I personally like how the jcw achieves their power gains, and it seems like a great reliable means to have a fun car. If you like the car now and don't want to take the huge financial hit from trading it in so quickly, go with the jcw. I've never even seen one in person so don't take my word for it, just my opinion. If JCW was offered in america, I would get it. Also I think unlike most aftermarket mods, JCW would ADD to the resale value of your MC rather than detract from it! So in the end it might just end up costing a lot less than other modding routes, just something to think about. 03 IB/W MC - ss plus, sports package, moon roof, and white bulldog/blue collar, name: cooper. cruise control is NOT motoring.

Dec 23rd, 2002, 03:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
DinkaDonka MINI 2 OLD BOY Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bishop Auckland Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 727 Offline	Delivery times I must be dead lucky cos i just ordered my MCS on saturday and its due on Feb 17th, or earlier!! dunno how its so short but im chuffed, i too have a cooper and wanted more power and am defo going for the MCS because u can do so much to the engine without having to mod any other bit , gearbox etc (to a certain extent!!) Paul GT3 RS Ariel Atom 300 E92 M3

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Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 04:51 AM Posts: 10,589 Offline	I went to the JCW not to long ago and what did the dealer tell me: "Get the S, its got 6 gears, more power, keeps TLC for relatively the same price........ ........then get the Works upgrade for that!" Now if the JCW tells me that! He went on to say works upgrade more for the racing (if my memory serves me right). North West Rolling Road Day 26th July LINK NOW FIXED!

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Dec 23rd, 2002, 12:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 04:51 AM Posts: 4,915 Offline	Look into how much it costs for the full Works conversion. I think you'll find that it will come out to around the same as the extra you'll pay for an "S" as the Works kit is to expensive in my view! If your spending that much, order the "S".

Dec 24th, 2002, 06:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 04:51 AM Posts: 42,147 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Damo I went to the JCW not to long ago and what did the dealer tell me: "Get the S, its got 6 gears, more power, keeps TLC for relatively the same price........ ........then get the Works upgrade for that!" Now if the JCW tells me that! He went on to say works upgrade more for the racing (if my memory serves me right). That does make sense !! Way to go I think ! *Global Moderator*

Dec 24th, 2002, 06:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 04:51 AM Posts: 4,915 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by lotuseatsvipers I personally like how the jcw achieves their power gains, and it seems like a great reliable means to have a fun car. If you like the car now and don't want to take the huge financial hit from trading it in so quickly, go with the jcw. I've never even seen one in person so don't take my word for it, just my opinion. If JCW was offered in america, I would get it. Also I think unlike most aftermarket mods, JCW would ADD to the resale value of your MC rather than detract from it! So in the end it might just end up costing a lot less than other modding routes, just something to think about. I agree, but it is just to expensive! Maybe it's the JCW name.

Dec 24th, 2002, 07:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
stormcrow MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Lurkin in t' shadows Local Time: 04:51 AM Posts: 506 Offline	I'll keep me eyes peeled and give ya a flash Dinka ! Most of em are miserable buggers who divunt flash back up here. Stop ruddy rainin cos the 2nd Cam needs a thrashin !

Dec 24th, 2002, 08:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
DinkaDonka MINI 2 OLD BOY Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bishop Auckland Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 727 Offline	Hey mate! Hi Storm Crow , gotta agree with u , seen loads of minis around toon and durham etc and NOT 1 has flashed yet!! such a shame as well , have yet to see u tho but im sure ill recognise u as u willbe the only one who flashes , my cars PS/B by the way, well unitl febuary, hehe Cheers mate, Paul GT3 RS Ariel Atom 300 E92 M3

Dec 24th, 2002, 09:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
lotuseatsvipers MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: florida Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 96 Offline	I think everyone is missing something, he just wants a bit more power but loves the car he has now. Quote: I totally enjoy my Cooper but want a bit more power. If he sells his cooper so soon he'll lose a lot of money in the trade (at least as much as the JCW is going to cost). Sure the JCW costs what appears to be a lot of money. But I am almost certain that one would get a decent amount back when selling the vehicle. Now if I had had finances able to deal with owning a cooper S from the beginning thats what I would have done. But now that I have and love my cooper, if or when I ever decide to mod it, JCW will be my first choice unless something else comes around. It just makes sense. If you can handle trading in your cooper than do it, but otherwise the JCW kit is a perfectly acceptable alternative. 03 IB/W MC - ss plus, sports package, moon roof, and white bulldog/blue collar, name: cooper. cruise control is NOT motoring.

Dec 25th, 2002, 07:04 AM	#12 (permalink)
Bonnie Scotland Gadget Man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montrose, Scotland Local Time: 02:51 AM Posts: 1,960 Offline	Get An "S" Go for the "S", you'll never regret it, then go for the Hartge 212 BHP conversion from Birds in Uxbridge, a snip at 1500 quid + vat. Please don't drag me into the warranty issue quagmire, thanks. alan fae bonnie scotland

Dec 25th, 2002, 08:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 04:51 AM Posts: 24,876 Offline	Cooper S all the way... A standard Cooper only has 115bhp A Works Cooper has 130bhp......that's only an increase of 15bhp. For £2,500 that's a lot of money for relatively little gain. A Cooper S on the other hand... For the £2,900 you pay on top of a standard Cooper you get: Supercharger 6 Speed Gearbox Twin Chrome Exhaust Pipe Leather Steering Wheel/Gearknob White Side Indicators Sports Suspension Plus Sports Seats Sport Front and Rear Bumpers 16"Light Alloy Wheels RunFlats Roof Spoiler in Roof Colour Intercooler Chrome Plated Side Indicator Grilles Chrome Plated Fuel Filler Cap Bonnet Air In take ASC+T Aluminium Look Interior Trim Alarm (Thatcham CAT1) ......plus the cars is and absolute hoot to drive to boot. Global Moderator

Dec 25th, 2002, 07:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
lotuseatsvipers MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: florida Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 96 Offline	You guys/gals act like this is a pre-carpurchase decision. He already has a cooper. eh whatever, do what you can afford. You CAN'T possibly make a bad decision. 03 IB/W MC - ss plus, sports package, moon roof, and white bulldog/blue collar, name: cooper. cruise control is NOT motoring.

Dec 26th, 2002, 05:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
Bonnie Scotland Gadget Man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montrose, Scotland Local Time: 02:51 AM Posts: 1,960 Offline	Quote: dpt asked I have been thinking of exchanging my Cooper in September for a Cooper S. I totally enjoy my Cooper but want a bit more power. Would you go for the John Cooper Works Convesion on my current Cooper or part-ex for a Cooper S??? If I went for the Cooper S I would want the exact colours and interiors I have now Quote: lotuseatsvipers said You guys/gals act like this is a pre-carpurchase decision. He already has a cooper. eh whatever, do what you can afford. You CAN'T possibly make a bad decision I think if you read the question properly he did ask what to do I would agree that he cannot make a bad decision though. alan fae bonnie scotland

Dec 26th, 2002, 10:20 AM	#16 (permalink)
thegrommit MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Where I live? Canada Local Time: 11:51 PM Posts: 343 Offline	The biggest advantage of the JCW route would be that the Cooper is in "stealth" mode - unlike the S with it's modified snout.

Dec 26th, 2002, 12:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
lotuseatsvipers MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: florida Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 96 Offline	Personally I would love to have a very quick/powerful N/A car. It just feels cool to say my car is this quick off regular old mechanics and car know how. turbo's and superchargers are still cool of course, maybe I'm just being affected by this honda vtec "revolution"...hope not. 03 IB/W MC - ss plus, sports package, moon roof, and white bulldog/blue collar, name: cooper. cruise control is NOT motoring.

Dec 26th, 2002, 04:52 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bonnie Scotland Gadget Man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montrose, Scotland Local Time: 02:51 AM Posts: 1,960 Offline	Quote: lotuseatsvipers said turbo's and superchargers are still cool of course, maybe I'm just being affected by this honda vtec "revolution"...hope not I think that maybe you should get yourself one of these vtec's, as your screen name suggests, maybe you would feel more at home in the Honda forum alan fae bonnie scotland

Dec 26th, 2002, 05:46 PM	#19 (permalink)
lotuseatsvipers MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: florida Local Time: 03:51 AM Posts: 96 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Bonnie Scotland I think that maybe you should get yourself one of these vtec's, as your screen name suggests, maybe you would feel more at home in the Honda forum alan fae bonnie scotland what does my name have to do with honda? Do you have something against Lotus and just to share my friends online name is viperseatlotus...just an old joke. ps. and a honda engine would be a heck of a lot better than the chrysler engine we have now (faster, more economical and more durable - probably). So I wouldn't diss it too much. --and I'm not exactly a fan of honda. 03 IB/W MC - ss plus, sports package, moon roof, and white bulldog/blue collar, name: cooper. cruise control is NOT motoring.

Dec 26th, 2002, 07:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
SteveS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Santa Ana, CA Local Time: 08:51 PM Posts: 127 Offline	try before u buy try to find someone who has the JCWorks pkg. I have heard the cooper is quick as S at lower speed (to 40 or so). It is geared lower so acceleration is better at lower speeds. It gets better economy as compression is higher, so it is more efficient. It probably is a little more responsive than the supercharged S. You might find it is a good fit for you. Work the figures, though. If you can sell hi and buy low, the S is a stronger car. - forged crank and rods, oil sprayers under pistons, getrag trans, sport suspension, etc.

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