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JBOO · Mar 15th, 2003, 08:23 PM

I just just came across this review of the JCW kit at

www.4car.co.uk

Sounds good, but not exactly what I had expected for the first review. Guess I still need to wait and see some comparisons against Hartge, Digi-Tec, etc.................

I apologize if this has been posted already.

Ciao!
J

JBOO · Mar 16th, 2003, 01:40 AM

No comments??????

QQQ · Mar 16th, 2003, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JBOO
No comments??????

What can I say? Disappointing, from what I read you'll find the most increase in power in the (very) upper revs. I'm sure I made the right choice going with an independent aftermarket tuner, JCW is just too expensive and I'm also pretty sure you get a better package from am independent after market tuner performance wise. I hardly rev my MCS any higher than 5000 rpm, increase in torque in the 2500 - 5000 rpm is amazing

Admittedly, I'm not a big JCW fan

RSAmerica · Mar 16th, 2003, 06:35 AM

Base on the Dyno Chart, I would think that the drivability would be much better with such a broad torque curve. At 2400 rpm it is pulling 210 Nm which is the max torque the stock S gets at 4000 rpm.

macmini · Mar 16th, 2003, 07:06 AM

guess we'll really have to wait and see a direct comparison between jcw and other tuners...

i would definitely go with jcw though cause u still have your bmw warranty and get A quality (new supercharger, z-head and so on...) !

mac

RSAmerica · Mar 16th, 2003, 10:48 PM

I will Go with JCW Too........

MichaelK · Mar 17th, 2003, 08:41 PM

what an odd review

especially as I was under the impression there was a press embargo until Tuesday ?

Anyway, I've been driving my JCW works S for X months now, and the difference between the standard S and Work S is huge.

I do actually wonder if this person has driven the standard S at all ?

I look forward to reading some reviews from some of the more ruputable magazines.

Cheers

Michael

Rick · Mar 17th, 2003, 08:47 PM

hi MikeK!

Out again yesterday in mine Thing absolutely flies after the run-in period

I thought I would try it out on a clear A road, looked at the speedo and next thing I thought was hmmmm better break just in case

Nicely throws you back into the seat when you press the load button

MichaelK · Mar 17th, 2003, 08:51 PM

Hi Rick,

Have to agree awesome fun after 1200miles

The clear A roads and speedo thing can come as a real shock

Cheers

Michael

JBOO · Mar 18th, 2003, 04:43 AM

And this time, from a reputable publisher.

www.autoweek.com
Sounds somewhat better, but still hasn't blown me away.

I still want to hear something more definitive about the perfomance though. Owners reviews are good, but sometimes they appear biased or at least thats what I gather from all the debate on who's conversion is better.

j

QQQ · Mar 18th, 2003, 03:01 PM

Must say I'm a bit surprised by the price that is mentioned in the article. US$ 4500 (including fitting) doesn't sound too bad. Don't get me wrong, I still find it a lot of money, but it's substantially less than the prices I hear for continental Europe

cordial · Mar 18th, 2003, 03:39 PM

What prices have you heard for the continent, QQQ?

QQQ · Mar 18th, 2003, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cordial
What prices have you heard for the continent, QQQ?

According to Macmini2 (who got the info from his dealer I believe) the price for the kit will be € 4.400 exclusive of fitting. Labour for fitting is estimated at € 700.

Makes a total of € 5.100, pretty much I'd say

Mar 15th, 2003, 08:23 PM	#1
JBOO MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Local Time: 11:11 PM Posts: 387 Offline	John Cooper Works Review I just just came across this review of the JCW kit at www.4car.co.uk Sounds good, but not exactly what I had expected for the first review. Guess I still need to wait and see some comparisons against Hartge, Digi-Tec, etc................. I apologize if this has been posted already. Ciao! J Last edited by JBOO : Mar 16th, 2003 at 12:00 AM.

Mar 16th, 2003, 01:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
JBOO MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Local Time: 11:11 PM Posts: 387 Offline	No comments?????? Digi-Tec MCS Gone Life without a supercharger is boring

Mar 16th, 2003, 07:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
macmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 12:11 AM Posts: 368 Offline	guess we'll really have to wait and see a direct comparison between jcw and other tuners... i would definitely go with jcw though cause u still have your bmw warranty and get A quality (new supercharger, z-head and so on...) ! mac http://www.newmini-technik.de

Mar 17th, 2003, 08:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 10:11 PM Posts: 342 Offline	what an odd review especially as I was under the impression there was a press embargo until Tuesday ? Anyway, I've been driving my JCW works S for X months now, and the difference between the standard S and Work S is huge. I do actually wonder if this person has driven the standard S at all ? I look forward to reading some reviews from some of the more ruputable magazines. Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Mar 17th, 2003, 08:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 10:11 PM Posts: 342 Offline	Hi Rick, Have to agree awesome fun after 1200miles The clear A roads and speedo thing can come as a real shock Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

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Mar 16th, 2003, 02:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
QQQ MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: rotterdam Local Time: 11:11 PM Posts: 2,422 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by JBOO No comments?????? What can I say? Disappointing, from what I read you'll find the most increase in power in the (very) upper revs. I'm sure I made the right choice going with an independent aftermarket tuner, JCW is just too expensive and I'm also pretty sure you get a better package from am independent after market tuner performance wise. I hardly rev my MCS any higher than 5000 rpm, increase in torque in the 2500 - 5000 rpm is amazing Admittedly, I'm not a big JCW fan

Mar 16th, 2003, 06:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
RSAmerica MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NJ, USA Local Time: 06:11 PM Posts: 120 Offline	Base on the Dyno Chart, I would think that the drivability would be much better with such a broad torque curve. At 2400 rpm it is pulling 210 Nm which is the max torque the stock S gets at 4000 rpm.

Mar 16th, 2003, 10:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
RSAmerica MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NJ, USA Local Time: 06:11 PM Posts: 120 Offline	I will Go with JCW Too........

Mar 17th, 2003, 08:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Rick can i go home yet Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: UK Local Time: 11:11 PM Posts: 2,616 Offline	hi MikeK! Out again yesterday in mine Thing absolutely flies after the run-in period I thought I would try it out on a clear A road, looked at the speedo and next thing I thought was hmmmm better break just in case Nicely throws you back into the seat when you press the load button

Mar 18th, 2003, 04:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
JBOO MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Local Time: 11:11 PM Posts: 387 Offline	ANOTHER JCW REVIEW And this time, from a reputable publisher. www.autoweek.com Sounds somewhat better, but still hasn't blown me away. I still want to hear something more definitive about the perfomance though. Owners reviews are good, but sometimes they appear biased or at least thats what I gather from all the debate on who's conversion is better. j

Mar 18th, 2003, 03:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
QQQ MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: rotterdam Local Time: 11:11 PM Posts: 2,422 Offline	Must say I'm a bit surprised by the price that is mentioned in the article. US$ 4500 (including fitting) doesn't sound too bad. Don't get me wrong, I still find it a lot of money, but it's substantially less than the prices I hear for continental Europe

Mar 18th, 2003, 03:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
cordial MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Alps (Central Sw Local Time: 11:11 PM Posts: 332 Offline	What prices have you heard for the continent, QQQ? Cooper S BRG/B, Chili, DSC, Overheated seats, auto A/C, OBC, heated mirrors/jets, Boost + CD. delivered 24.09.02 (ordered 11.09.01). MAX tint on back 3 windows. 17" S-Lites with Dunlop summer run-flats. 16" X-Lites with Goodyear Ultra Grip run-flats for winter. Remus exhaust (LOUD !).

Mar 18th, 2003, 03:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
QQQ MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: rotterdam Local Time: 11:11 PM Posts: 2,422 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by cordial What prices have you heard for the continent, QQQ? According to Macmini2 (who got the info from his dealer I believe) the price for the kit will be € 4.400 exclusive of fitting. Labour for fitting is estimated at € 700. Makes a total of € 5.100, pretty much I'd say

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