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nobbyclark · Mar 20th, 2003, 09:55 PM

Interested to here from S owners who are tempted by the Works: are you going to upgrade or trade in for a new car?

My temptation is the former.

MichaelK · Mar 20th, 2003, 10:50 PM

Bought

Cheers

Michael

MiniMan7 · Mar 20th, 2003, 10:56 PM

I'm interested in the upgrade, but not enough money to do so yet.

Linda M · Mar 20th, 2003, 11:29 PM

I'm tempted to trade in but then I love the MINI I've got so I don't know. Hmmmmm decisions, decisions

I've got to find the money first

ffc · Mar 20th, 2003, 11:44 PM

I'm buying new for reasons discussed elsewhere. (Easier to get Wifely clearance for the spend).

BigM · Mar 21st, 2003, 12:08 AM

I will upgrade the question in my mind is whether to go with JCW or Dinan. Both have good backgrounds and both allow the warranty to remain. I know the JCW is a boost to 200 hp, I am planning on waiting to see what Dinan will do, rumor says they will come out mid summer with theirs.

RVW · Mar 21st, 2003, 12:22 AM

I am upgrading end of April. Had test drive What else is there to say.

ffc · Mar 21st, 2003, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigM
I will upgrade the question in my mind is whether to go with JCW or Dinan. Both have good backgrounds and both allow the warranty to remain. I know the JCW is a boost to 200 hp, I am planning on waiting to see what Dinan will do, rumor says they will come out mid summer with theirs.

A friend on mine had an early Dinan M3 and a Dinan Z3. Their Mini should be great. How does the warranty work with them, are BMW backing it?

nobbyclark · Mar 21st, 2003, 12:54 AM

For those that are trading in (an MCS), are you getting a decent price? My suspicion is that there's going to be a glut of MCS's on the market soon and prices will come down accordingly.

ram_one · Mar 21st, 2003, 03:23 AM

Tempted? Yes.
Rushing to buy? No.

dinger · Mar 21st, 2003, 03:30 AM

Going for the upgrade.

dinger

Simon Jackson · Mar 21st, 2003, 03:39 AM

Upgrading also!

RSAmerica · Mar 21st, 2003, 04:35 AM

I will be trading my MCS for a new MCS w/JCW kit...

MGB Boy · Mar 21st, 2003, 05:40 AM

If I got one, it would be an upgrade on my current car. Given that this is an aftermarket at-the-dealer add on whether it's on a new car or your current car, I don't see what the advantage/draw would be to ordering a new car and having it put on that, especially with the inevitable depreciation hit of trading in a relatively new car. I know MINIs are holding thier value pretty well, but with a little depreciation, plus the 2002->2003 price increases... Just not worth it to me. If my car was lacking something I wish it had, I might feel different, but the car is optioned just how I want it.

But of course this is all dependent on if I get the JCW, and I'm still decidedly on the fence on that. We all have our own opinions of what it's worth to us, and based on what I've seen and heard, including the announced UK price, the kit is right on the hairy edge of what I'm personally willing to pay for it. Autoweek says it's $4500 with installation, which interests me. A fair number of folks are being told by their dealers that it's $4500 plus installation, which interests me a fair bit less. It really is that much right on the line, a little bit either way would tip me. So where it ends up actually being will determine my interest level...

As for the Dinan-BMW relationship, the fine print is that BMW does NOT warranty or cover Dinan parts. The key is that Dinan "matches" BMW's warranty, they have a special deal set up with BMW so that if a car comes in for warranty work and a Dinan part is found to be the problem, Dinan reimburses BMW, and it's generally transparent to the customer. The catch being that the dealer doing the work has to be a Dinan Authorized dealer, and that not everything Dinan does is covered this way, some of the more extreme kits they offer (i.e. turbo/supercharger kits) do not have this "matching coverage" thing.

All that being said, I know Dinan have said they are working on MINI stuff, but I don't know that it's an automatic slamdunk that their special relationship with BMW will carry over to MINI, given the relationship MINI has already established with John Cooper Works. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, all I'm saying is I don't think it's automatic. I think Dinan dealers are saying it will, but they have a vested interest, don't they...

-Ricardo

Tom F. · Mar 21st, 2003, 06:34 AM

Even though I have a MCS, I'm tempted to let my wife drive it and order a "stripper" MCS and add the Works kit for about the same price as I paid for the first one.

I am dreaming, but that is the first dangerous step:

JCW MCS pure silver all over. Red interior: buy all the plastic skins for a red interior, get red rear seats, and add red Sparcos. Other options: cold, silver 16" wheels, (never again white!), maybe xenons and fogs.

LMB · Mar 21st, 2003, 07:03 AM

I'm tempted to trade in and get a Works S. But who knows

Oh if money grew on trees

Boo · Mar 21st, 2003, 07:16 AM

I am upgrading, that is as soon as the kit gets by Australian Design Regs.. apparently 2 decibells over the legal limit DOH!!!
Already got deposit down, so hopefully sometime in April

BigM · Mar 21st, 2003, 05:22 PM

My dealer is an authorized Dinan BMW dealer and they say a kit is coming, mid summer maybe??? They feel that Dinan is/was waiting to see where the JCW kit comes in as far as out put goes then release theirs. They also say that they expect the ususal support as far as warranty goes, Dinan would pick up the BMW warranty on any of their parts. No word on cost but they expect it to be in area of the JCW kit. It will be a tough decision.

S2000&CooperS · Mar 22nd, 2003, 04:08 AM

I am planning to trade my Cooper for a JCW Cooper S late June/early July delivery - Pure Silver/Black with PP, CWP, Space Cloth, silver dash, and either Xenons or fogs

LMB · Mar 22nd, 2003, 04:20 AM

Whom I kidding I want one

http://www.johncooper.co.uk/cgi-bin/...ersions_FS.htm

Mar 20th, 2003, 09:55 PM	#1
nobbyclark 0.1mpg (Miles per Grin) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Perth, Scotland Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 105 Offline	Works S - who's upgrading vs buying new? Interested to here from S owners who are tempted by the Works: are you going to upgrade or trade in for a new car? My temptation is the former.

Mar 20th, 2003, 10:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 342 Offline	Bought Cheers Michael JCW Works S, DS/DS, Chilli, DSC, HAB, HK, panther black/lapis blue (Cloth) S0007

Mar 20th, 2003, 10:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
MiniMan7 Let's Motor. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Local Time: 04:25 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	I'm interested in the upgrade, but not enough money to do so yet. http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/16791/32165.jpg

Mar 20th, 2003, 11:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Linda M MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Crieff Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 465 Offline	I'm tempted to trade in but then I love the MINI I've got so I don't know. Hmmmmm decisions, decisions I've got to find the money first She's here (27/12/02) and she's amazing - JCW MINI Cooper S - http://www.mini2.com/gallery/persona...lindamsig1.jpg Daisy lives here: Minibuzz.com

Mar 21st, 2003, 03:23 AM	#10 (permalink)
ram_one MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: new jersey Local Time: 03:25 AM Posts: 134 Offline	Tempted? Yes. Rushing to buy? No. '03 MCS - LY/W "Fried Egg"

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Mar 20th, 2003, 11:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
ffc MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Royal Berks. Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 44 Offline	I'm buying new for reasons discussed elsewhere. (Easier to get Wifely clearance for the spend).

Mar 21st, 2003, 12:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
BigM MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: murfreesboro Tn Local Time: 01:25 AM Posts: 132 Offline	I will upgrade the question in my mind is whether to go with JCW or Dinan. Both have good backgrounds and both allow the warranty to remain. I know the JCW is a boost to 200 hp, I am planning on waiting to see what Dinan will do, rumor says they will come out mid summer with theirs.

Mar 21st, 2003, 12:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
RVW 003 On a Mission My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cabbage County Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 4,109 Offline	I am upgrading end of April. Had test drive What else is there to say.

Mar 21st, 2003, 12:24 AM	#8 (permalink)
ffc MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Royal Berks. Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 44 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by BigM I will upgrade the question in my mind is whether to go with JCW or Dinan. Both have good backgrounds and both allow the warranty to remain. I know the JCW is a boost to 200 hp, I am planning on waiting to see what Dinan will do, rumor says they will come out mid summer with theirs. A friend on mine had an early Dinan M3 and a Dinan Z3. Their Mini should be great. How does the warranty work with them, are BMW backing it?

Mar 21st, 2003, 12:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
nobbyclark 0.1mpg (Miles per Grin) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Perth, Scotland Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 105 Offline	For those that are trading in (an MCS), are you getting a decent price? My suspicion is that there's going to be a glut of MCS's on the market soon and prices will come down accordingly.

Mar 21st, 2003, 03:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
dinger TT or not TT Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tunbridge Wells,Kent Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 3,607 Offline	Going for the upgrade. dinger

Mar 21st, 2003, 03:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
Simon Jackson MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 450 Offline	Upgrading also!

Mar 21st, 2003, 04:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
RSAmerica MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NJ, USA Local Time: 03:25 AM Posts: 120 Offline	I will be trading my MCS for a new MCS w/JCW kit...

Mar 21st, 2003, 05:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
MGB Boy heterochromic & loving it Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: at the rink Local Time: 03:25 AM Posts: 4,210 Offline	If I got one, it would be an upgrade on my current car. Given that this is an aftermarket at-the-dealer add on whether it's on a new car or your current car, I don't see what the advantage/draw would be to ordering a new car and having it put on that, especially with the inevitable depreciation hit of trading in a relatively new car. I know MINIs are holding thier value pretty well, but with a little depreciation, plus the 2002->2003 price increases... Just not worth it to me. If my car was lacking something I wish it had, I might feel different, but the car is optioned just how I want it. But of course this is all dependent on if I get the JCW, and I'm still decidedly on the fence on that. We all have our own opinions of what it's worth to us, and based on what I've seen and heard, including the announced UK price, the kit is right on the hairy edge of what I'm personally willing to pay for it. Autoweek says it's $4500 with installation, which interests me. A fair number of folks are being told by their dealers that it's $4500 plus installation, which interests me a fair bit less. It really is that much right on the line, a little bit either way would tip me. So where it ends up actually being will determine my interest level... As for the Dinan-BMW relationship, the fine print is that BMW does NOT warranty or cover Dinan parts. The key is that Dinan "matches" BMW's warranty, they have a special deal set up with BMW so that if a car comes in for warranty work and a Dinan part is found to be the problem, Dinan reimburses BMW, and it's generally transparent to the customer. The catch being that the dealer doing the work has to be a Dinan Authorized dealer, and that not everything Dinan does is covered this way, some of the more extreme kits they offer (i.e. turbo/supercharger kits) do not have this "matching coverage" thing. All that being said, I know Dinan have said they are working on MINI stuff, but I don't know that it's an automatic slamdunk that their special relationship with BMW will carry over to MINI, given the relationship MINI has already established with John Cooper Works. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, all I'm saying is I don't think it's automatic. I think Dinan dealers are saying it will, but they have a vested interest, don't they... -Ricardo 06 MCS-W/77 MGB/69 MGB-GT "2 minutes by yourself and...you feel shame, you know...and then you get free"

Mar 21st, 2003, 06:34 AM	#15 (permalink)
Tom F. MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Near Washington DC Local Time: 03:25 AM Posts: 315 Offline	Even though I have a MCS, I'm tempted to let my wife drive it and order a "stripper" MCS and add the Works kit for about the same price as I paid for the first one. I am dreaming, but that is the first dangerous step: JCW MCS pure silver all over. Red interior: buy all the plastic skins for a red interior, get red rear seats, and add red Sparcos. Other options: cold, silver 16" wheels, (never again white!), maybe xenons and fogs. Tom F. EB/W "S" delivered Aug 30

Mar 21st, 2003, 07:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 24,859 Offline	I'm tempted to trade in and get a Works S. But who knows Oh if money grew on trees Global Moderator

Mar 21st, 2003, 07:16 AM	#17 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 05:25 PM Posts: 1,752 Offline	I am upgrading, that is as soon as the kit gets by Australian Design Regs.. apparently 2 decibells over the legal limit DOH!!! Already got deposit down, so hopefully sometime in April The original SWORKS

Mar 21st, 2003, 05:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
BigM MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: murfreesboro Tn Local Time: 01:25 AM Posts: 132 Offline	Dinan? My dealer is an authorized Dinan BMW dealer and they say a kit is coming, mid summer maybe??? They feel that Dinan is/was waiting to see where the JCW kit comes in as far as out put goes then release theirs. They also say that they expect the ususal support as far as warranty goes, Dinan would pick up the BMW warranty on any of their parts. No word on cost but they expect it to be in area of the JCW kit. It will be a tough decision.

Mar 22nd, 2003, 04:08 AM	#19 (permalink)
S2000&CooperS MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Glen Allen, VA USA Local Time: 07:25 AM Posts: 956 Offline	I am planning to trade my Cooper for a JCW Cooper S late June/early July delivery - Pure Silver/Black with PP, CWP, Space Cloth, silver dash, and either Xenons or fogs 08 Smart ForTwo Passion Silver/Black/Red (Going on Ebay!) 07 Honda Accord V6 6-speed Taffeta White/Tan (wife's) 06 MINI Cooper S JCW Checkmate Astro Black/Silver

Mar 22nd, 2003, 04:20 AM	#20 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 08:25 AM Posts: 24,859 Offline	Whom I kidding I want one http://www.johncooper.co.uk/cgi-bin/...ersions_FS.htm Global Moderator

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