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Mach Zip · Jun 22nd, 2003, 03:37 AM

My new S is on the boat. Got a quote from the dealer I chose of abpout $6000.00 including sales tax for the works kit. I think that is too steep considering nine hours labor and $4500 suggested retail price. Anyone else priced price3d the kit in California?

normalizer · Jun 22nd, 2003, 07:36 PM

It's not CA, but the cost of getting mine fitted in TN was just over $6100 last week.

Angelus · Jun 22nd, 2003, 07:45 PM

I was quoted $5600 in Miami

911ETR · Jun 23rd, 2003, 01:35 PM

Waste of time this kit is. Save the money and go with a pulley, exhaust, intake and ECU. They are putting out up around 205-220hp for less than 2400.00 installed. Its not a warrranty breaker either. I have the second choice. 13k no issues at all.

Check out

www.new.minimania.com
www.mini-madness.com

jonnypolite · Jun 24th, 2003, 12:41 AM

911ETR,

can you tell me exactly what you put in, and maybe where you got the work done? I'm lookng at gettin a MCS in Portland, and i'd like the works HP, but not too thrilled by the price.

Patrick

Quote:

Originally posted by 911ETR
Waste of time this kit is. Save the money and go with a pulley, exhaust, intake and ECU. They are putting out up around 205-220hp for less than 2400.00 installed. Its not a warrranty breaker either. I have the second choice. 13k no issues at all.

Check out

www.new.minimania.com
www.mini-madness.com

jvwinden · Jun 24th, 2003, 12:52 AM

Guys,

Stop this discussion. THE kit to have is the John Cooper Works kit. I'ts worth EVERY penny!!! I've done more than 2000 km and believe me, when you're on 7.000 RPM this baby ROCKS!!!!

S2000&CooperS · Jun 24th, 2003, 02:31 AM

quoted $5500 at Crown MINI of Richmond

jmusicman · Jun 24th, 2003, 03:37 AM

quoted $6500 at Mini of Ft. Lauderdale

SCA · Jun 24th, 2003, 04:22 AM

Everyone is trying to get something that is equal to or better than the JCW kit. It is a fully engineered, fully tested kit, including a new machined head, which is a cornerstone of most high-quality performance mods.

Resale value will eventually give you most of the cost of the JCW kit back, cetainly enough to cover the difference between paying for JCW and paying for aftermarket stuff. Plus it is flat-out a more complete kit than these cobbled-together, headless packages. And in California you can actually pass a smog check and drive your car!

Not to mention: one engine problem and you've covered the extra cost of the kit AND THEN SOME. Ever price having a new supercharger (or anything else) installed by BMW lately? Are you really that confident that if you go with a pulley, etc and burn out your SC (or a valve, or head gasket, or ???) that you can convince your dealer to repair it under warranty. Ok, so you're going to hire a lawyer to fight it in court. Right. Ever see what one of THEM costs per hour ? You'll burn through any savings vs JCW before ever seeing the courthouse steps.

Bottom line: if you go aftermarket, you are taking a sizeable risk, make no mistake. If you go into that with eyes wide open, then fine. Just don't kid yourself. And only time will tell if you really save any money.

Once again....JCW, the MCS standard that all others will continue to be measured by.

SCA · Jun 24th, 2003, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mach Zip
My new S is on the boat. Got a quote from the dealer I chose of abpout $6000.00 including sales tax for the works kit. I think that is too steep considering nine hours labor and $4500 suggested retail price. Anyone else priced price3d the kit in California?

$5750 quoted in Northern CA

se7en · Jun 24th, 2003, 04:35 AM

My Cooper S is to be built in July and delivered in August. It will have a JCW kit standing by at the dealer!!!
I have not thought twice about this kit. As soon as I heard about it, it was a must have $6,000 or not!
The kit will break in with the motor and I have to be "good" until the magic #. . .then watch out!
I can't wait.

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Jun 24th, 2003, 04:37 AM

I don't think they charge enough for the JCW kit. It's low enough in price that the buyers are lining up for it.

se7en · Jun 24th, 2003, 04:42 AM

Something else will come out in a year or so that will be the "buzz", hopefully the JCW will upgrade to it. Besides, as a whole, there will not be to many JCW Ss here in the States when compared all MINIs here.

911ETR · Jun 24th, 2003, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jonnypolite
911ETR,

can you tell me exactly what you put in, and maybe where you got the work done? I'm lookng at gettin a MCS in Portland, and i'd like the works HP, but not too thrilled by the price.

Patrick

Well you are in Mini Madness back yard. You guys that have cash to blow the JCW stuff is fine but here is what you are really getting.

1. Mild ECU Mod
2. Ported exhaust ports on head only!
3. Supercharger pulley (IE supercharger swapout)
4. Exhaust with huge cans, you can see it from the rear of the car.

For 6k installed at 200hp is really not the way to go.

I have done personally:

Supercharger Pulley 200.00
Intake 239.00
Exhaust 750.00

I got off the dyno at 170 at the wheels which is right at 200hp at the crank.

I just added a nice header which I am hoping for about 10 more at the wheels. It feels like it but I go back to the dyno this week to find out.

Still waiting on my ECU wich should give 12-20 more at the crank.

Contact George (Mini-Madness) at 503-449-4745 and he can take you for a ride in his 240hp beast. PM me if you are up for a road trip to Seattle.

LMB · Jun 24th, 2003, 05:11 AM

Max the price of the Works Kit takes into account that they keep your old Supercharger/Exhaust/Cylinder head. I couldn't care less what they do with them as in essence they've bought them from me.

911ETR · Jun 24th, 2003, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jvwinden
Guys,

Stop this discussion. THE kit to have is the John Cooper Works kit. I'ts worth EVERY penny!!! I've done more than 2000 km and believe me, when you're on 7.000 RPM this baby ROCKS!!!!

Sorry to debate but its not really worth every penny. You just dont know any different. Not trying to be an ass and I am sure you love the JCW kit but its really expensive for what you get.

911ETR · Jun 24th, 2003, 05:24 AM

[quote]Originally posted by SCA
[b]Everyone is trying to get something that is equal to or better than the JCW kit. It is a fully engineered, fully tested kit, including a new machined head, which is a cornerstone of most high-quality performance mods.

Resale value will eventually give you most of the cost of the JCW kit back, cetainly enough to cover the difference between paying for JCW and paying for aftermarket stuff. Plus it is flat-out a more complete kit than these cobbled-together, headless packages. And in California you can actually pass a smog check and drive your car!

Not to mention: one engine problem and you've covered the extra cost of the kit AND THEN SOME. Ever price having a new supercharger (or anything else) installed by BMW lately? Are you really that confident that if you go with a pulley, etc and burn out your SC (or a valve, or head gasket, or ???) that you can convince your dealer to repair it under warranty. Ok, so you're going to hire a lawyer to fight it in court. Right. Ever see what one of THEM costs per hour ? You'll burn through any savings vs JCW before ever seeing the courthouse steps.

Bottom line: if you go aftermarket, you are taking a sizeable risk, make no mistake. If you go into that with eyes wide open, then fine. Just don't kid yourself. And only time will tell if you really save any money.

Not sure about resale value but why spend the money in the first place and hope it goes well.

About the JCW head its noting short of a gas flowed exhaust chambers. They did not use larger valves... There is nothing special here as a matter of fact in my opinion the only reason they did it is because they wanted the dealers to make some money installing it. The head may be worth a few hp at most. My intake, pulley and exhaust are pulling the same power and I didnt crack open the motor. Also I am 100% backed by warranty unless my pulley flies off or damages a belt. My dealer has seen it and also has no issues since its the same size as the JCW. I also even believe they have installed a few. I would also like to point out that I have over 12k miles on these items without any problems.

Its fine with me that you guys want to throw away your money for the JCW name but there really is no debate as far as what you get for the money. HP to dollar. I have swayed about 10 people in the area after they drove my car and talked to the dealer about warranty vs Magnusson moss act.

911ETR · Jun 24th, 2003, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LMB
Max the price of the Works Kit takes into account that they keep your old Supercharger/Exhaust/Cylinder head. I couldn't care less what they do with them as in essence they've bought them from me.

What do you mean they bought them from you. They dont give you ANY rebate! They STOLE them from you!

If you take in consideration your parts they take your paying about 9-10k total.

Why do you think Dynan pulled out of this 3 way deal they had going on with JCW and Mini. After they saw this HP and how the program worked they refused to be a part of it.

LMB · Jun 24th, 2003, 05:30 AM

It's included in the price guys, that's what I've been told

I have to admit I was surprised.

911ETR · Jun 24th, 2003, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by se7en
Something else will come out in a year or so that will be the "buzz", hopefully the JCW will upgrade to it. Besides, as a whole, there will not be to many JCW Ss here in the States when compared all MINIs here.

Your right there wont be many but the Mini Owners who see you are going to ask why you were a sucker. Its not going to be oh cool look at that.... its going to be man I wish you only knew before you blew your savings.

Then a bunch of guys with 3k invested will eat the JCW car for lunch on the track.

Its not like you need serious mods to get 200hp.

I mean this in the best of ways, we are all mini owners

Jun 22nd, 2003, 03:37 AM	#1
Mach Zip MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 05:21 PM Posts: 8 Offline	John Cooper Works Kit My new S is on the boat. Got a quote from the dealer I chose of abpout $6000.00 including sales tax for the works kit. I think that is too steep considering nine hours labor and $4500 suggested retail price. Anyone else priced price3d the kit in California?

Jun 22nd, 2003, 07:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
normalizer MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Local Time: 07:21 PM Posts: 358 Offline	It's not CA, but the cost of getting mine fitted in TN was just over $6100 last week. US Postal Worker, Libertarian, Motorcycle Rider, Gun Nut and Events Director of MINICC.

Jun 24th, 2003, 12:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
jvwinden MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Leiden Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 1 Offline	JCW is THE kit (trust me .... i know!!!!) Guys, Stop this discussion. THE kit to have is the John Cooper Works kit. I'ts worth EVERY penny!!! I've done more than 2000 km and believe me, when you're on 7.000 RPM this baby ROCKS!!!! There's only one Works outfit: BRG with 2 Bonnet stripes!!!

Jun 24th, 2003, 03:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
jmusicman MINI2 Stalker Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 97 Offline	quoted $6500 at Mini of Ft. Lauderdale 2004 DS/B MCS Lapis Blue Leather Prem, DSC, Xeon,H/K Finished on Sept 12, 2003 (At Dealer NOW!)

Jun 24th, 2003, 04:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
SCA MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SF Bay Area Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 116 Offline	JCW has set the MCS performance standard Everyone is trying to get something that is equal to or better than the JCW kit. It is a fully engineered, fully tested kit, including a new machined head, which is a cornerstone of most high-quality performance mods. Resale value will eventually give you most of the cost of the JCW kit back, cetainly enough to cover the difference between paying for JCW and paying for aftermarket stuff. Plus it is flat-out a more complete kit than these cobbled-together, headless packages. And in California you can actually pass a smog check and drive your car! Not to mention: one engine problem and you've covered the extra cost of the kit AND THEN SOME. Ever price having a new supercharger (or anything else) installed by BMW lately? Are you really that confident that if you go with a pulley, etc and burn out your SC (or a valve, or head gasket, or ???) that you can convince your dealer to repair it under warranty. Ok, so you're going to hire a lawyer to fight it in court. Right. Ever see what one of THEM costs per hour ? You'll burn through any savings vs JCW before ever seeing the courthouse steps. Bottom line: if you go aftermarket, you are taking a sizeable risk, make no mistake. If you go into that with eyes wide open, then fine. Just don't kid yourself. And only time will tell if you really save any money. Once again....JCW, the MCS standard that all others will continue to be measured by.

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Jun 22nd, 2003, 07:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Angelus MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Local Time: 08:21 PM Posts: 8 Offline	I was quoted $5600 in Miami

Jun 23rd, 2003, 01:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
911ETR MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:21 PM Posts: 609 Offline	Waste of time this kit is. Save the money and go with a pulley, exhaust, intake and ECU. They are putting out up around 205-220hp for less than 2400.00 installed. Its not a warrranty breaker either. I have the second choice. 13k no issues at all. Check out www.new.minimania.com www.mini-madness.com

Jun 24th, 2003, 12:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
jonnypolite MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portland OR Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 1 Offline	911ETR, can you tell me exactly what you put in, and maybe where you got the work done? I'm lookng at gettin a MCS in Portland, and i'd like the works HP, but not too thrilled by the price. Patrick Quote: Originally posted by 911ETR Waste of time this kit is. Save the money and go with a pulley, exhaust, intake and ECU. They are putting out up around 205-220hp for less than 2400.00 installed. Its not a warrranty breaker either. I have the second choice. 13k no issues at all. Check out www.new.minimania.com www.mini-madness.com

Jun 24th, 2003, 02:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
S2000&CooperS MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Glen Allen, VA USA Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 956 Offline	quoted $5500 at Crown MINI of Richmond

Jun 24th, 2003, 04:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
SCA MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SF Bay Area Local Time: 01:21 AM Posts: 116 Offline	Re: John Cooper Works Kit Quote: Originally posted by Mach Zip My new S is on the boat. Got a quote from the dealer I chose of abpout $6000.00 including sales tax for the works kit. I think that is too steep considering nine hours labor and $4500 suggested retail price. Anyone else priced price3d the kit in California? $5750 quoted in Northern CA

Jun 24th, 2003, 04:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
se7en S 1159 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Waterford, CT Local Time: 08:21 PM Posts: 37 Offline	My Cooper S is to be built in July and delivered in August. It will have a JCW kit standing by at the dealer!!! I have not thought twice about this kit. As soon as I heard about it, it was a must have $6,000 or not! The kit will break in with the motor and I have to be "good" until the magic #. . .then watch out! I can't wait.

Jun 24th, 2003, 04:37 AM	#12 (permalink)
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 1,338 Offline	I don't think they charge enough for the JCW kit. It's low enough in price that the buyers are lining up for it. '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Jun 24th, 2003, 04:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
se7en S 1159 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Waterford, CT Local Time: 08:21 PM Posts: 37 Offline	Something else will come out in a year or so that will be the "buzz", hopefully the JCW will upgrade to it. Besides, as a whole, there will not be to many JCW Ss here in the States when compared all MINIs here.

Jun 24th, 2003, 05:11 AM	#14 (permalink)
911ETR MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:21 PM Posts: 609 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by jonnypolite 911ETR, can you tell me exactly what you put in, and maybe where you got the work done? I'm lookng at gettin a MCS in Portland, and i'd like the works HP, but not too thrilled by the price. Patrick Well you are in Mini Madness back yard. You guys that have cash to blow the JCW stuff is fine but here is what you are really getting. 1. Mild ECU Mod 2. Ported exhaust ports on head only! 3. Supercharger pulley (IE supercharger swapout) 4. Exhaust with huge cans, you can see it from the rear of the car. For 6k installed at 200hp is really not the way to go. I have done personally: Supercharger Pulley 200.00 Intake 239.00 Exhaust 750.00 I got off the dyno at 170 at the wheels which is right at 200hp at the crank. I just added a nice header which I am hoping for about 10 more at the wheels. It feels like it but I go back to the dyno this week to find out. Still waiting on my ECU wich should give 12-20 more at the crank. Contact George (Mini-Madness) at 503-449-4745 and he can take you for a ride in his 240hp beast. PM me if you are up for a road trip to Seattle.

Jun 24th, 2003, 05:11 AM	#15 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 24,967 Offline	Max the price of the Works Kit takes into account that they keep your old Supercharger/Exhaust/Cylinder head. I couldn't care less what they do with them as in essence they've bought them from me. Global Moderator

Jun 24th, 2003, 05:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
911ETR MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:21 PM Posts: 609 Offline	Re: JCW is THE kit (trust me .... i know!!!!) Quote: Originally posted by jvwinden Guys, Stop this discussion. THE kit to have is the John Cooper Works kit. I'ts worth EVERY penny!!! I've done more than 2000 km and believe me, when you're on 7.000 RPM this baby ROCKS!!!! Sorry to debate but its not really worth every penny. You just dont know any different. Not trying to be an ass and I am sure you love the JCW kit but its really expensive for what you get.

Jun 24th, 2003, 05:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
911ETR MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:21 PM Posts: 609 Offline	Re: JCW has set the MCS performance standard [quote]Originally posted by SCA [b]Everyone is trying to get something that is equal to or better than the JCW kit. It is a fully engineered, fully tested kit, including a new machined head, which is a cornerstone of most high-quality performance mods. Resale value will eventually give you most of the cost of the JCW kit back, cetainly enough to cover the difference between paying for JCW and paying for aftermarket stuff. Plus it is flat-out a more complete kit than these cobbled-together, headless packages. And in California you can actually pass a smog check and drive your car! Not to mention: one engine problem and you've covered the extra cost of the kit AND THEN SOME. Ever price having a new supercharger (or anything else) installed by BMW lately? Are you really that confident that if you go with a pulley, etc and burn out your SC (or a valve, or head gasket, or ???) that you can convince your dealer to repair it under warranty. Ok, so you're going to hire a lawyer to fight it in court. Right. Ever see what one of THEM costs per hour ? You'll burn through any savings vs JCW before ever seeing the courthouse steps. Bottom line: if you go aftermarket, you are taking a sizeable risk, make no mistake. If you go into that with eyes wide open, then fine. Just don't kid yourself. And only time will tell if you really save any money. Not sure about resale value but why spend the money in the first place and hope it goes well. About the JCW head its noting short of a gas flowed exhaust chambers. They did not use larger valves... There is nothing special here as a matter of fact in my opinion the only reason they did it is because they wanted the dealers to make some money installing it. The head may be worth a few hp at most. My intake, pulley and exhaust are pulling the same power and I didnt crack open the motor. Also I am 100% backed by warranty unless my pulley flies off or damages a belt. My dealer has seen it and also has no issues since its the same size as the JCW. I also even believe they have installed a few. I would also like to point out that I have over 12k miles on these items without any problems. Its fine with me that you guys want to throw away your money for the JCW name but there really is no debate as far as what you get for the money. HP to dollar. I have swayed about 10 people in the area after they drove my car and talked to the dealer about warranty vs Magnusson moss act.

Jun 24th, 2003, 05:27 AM	#18 (permalink)
911ETR MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:21 PM Posts: 609 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by LMB Max the price of the Works Kit takes into account that they keep your old Supercharger/Exhaust/Cylinder head. I couldn't care less what they do with them as in essence they've bought them from me. What do you mean they bought them from you. They dont give you ANY rebate! They STOLE them from you! If you take in consideration your parts they take your paying about 9-10k total. Why do you think Dynan pulled out of this 3 way deal they had going on with JCW and Mini. After they saw this HP and how the program worked they refused to be a part of it.

Jun 24th, 2003, 05:30 AM	#19 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 02:21 AM Posts: 24,967 Offline	It's included in the price guys, that's what I've been told I have to admit I was surprised. Global Moderator

Jun 24th, 2003, 05:31 AM	#20 (permalink)
911ETR MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 05:21 PM Posts: 609 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by se7en Something else will come out in a year or so that will be the "buzz", hopefully the JCW will upgrade to it. Besides, as a whole, there will not be to many JCW Ss here in the States when compared all MINIs here. Your right there wont be many but the Mini Owners who see you are going to ask why you were a sucker. Its not going to be oh cool look at that.... its going to be man I wish you only knew before you blew your savings. Then a bunch of guys with 3k invested will eat the JCW car for lunch on the track. Its not like you need serious mods to get 200hp. I mean this in the best of ways, we are all mini owners Last edited by 911ETR : Jun 24th, 2003 at 08:39 AM.

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