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Jazzy Jase · Feb 13th, 2002, 08:55 AM

Just read in either Autocar or Autoexpress that the £17500 John Cooper Works S was 1.5 seconds quicker around a track than the Civic Type R.

Didn't buy the mag and can't remember what track they used.

If the JCW S is 1.5 seconds faster than the CTR then the standard S should be pretty evenly matched.

stu(pid) · Feb 13th, 2002, 09:34 AM

It was today's (13th Feb) issue of Autocar. It was at Goodwood circuit. Only a very small piece at the bottom of one of the news pages. They state the 200bhp Cooper S works is on schedule for September 2002 release.

rich · Feb 13th, 2002, 07:58 PM

Seems slightly strange that the mags are testing a Works S before a std S against a CTR... I wonder if this is a deliberate strategy on BMW's part to create a perception that the S 'bests' the CTR. Suggests a regular S would fall short on these track tests

Silverstone · Feb 14th, 2002, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by rich
Seems slightly strange that the mags are testing a Works S before a std S against a CTR... I wonder if this is a deliberate strategy on BMW's part to create a perception that the S 'bests' the CTR. Suggests a regular S would fall short on these track tests

The Civic Type-R has instantly become THE benchmark for performance and value. I expect MINI PR people are going to try every trick in the book to knock it off its perch - and why not

MichaelK · Feb 14th, 2002, 08:48 AM

Autocar wouldn't have tested it (BMW would have a fit). They either timed it or got some info from JCG.

Michael

mr.bill · Feb 15th, 2002, 09:47 AM

The comparison is not really valid unless both cars were "showroom stock" and tested at the same track on the same day. Track conditions change with temperature and humidity and it doesn't take much to alter the outcome. Until the S is "official," everything is just speculation.

Spoolin' · Feb 15th, 2002, 03:29 PM

Silly thought, I know, but has anyone seen pics of this unicorn?

Feb 13th, 2002, 08:55 AM	#1
Jazzy Jase Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 432 Offline	Cooper S Works faster than Civic Type R! Just read in either Autocar or Autoexpress that the £17500 John Cooper Works S was 1.5 seconds quicker around a track than the Civic Type R. Didn't buy the mag and can't remember what track they used. If the JCW S is 1.5 seconds faster than the CTR then the standard S should be pretty evenly matched.

Feb 14th, 2002, 02:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
Silverstone MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Silverstone Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 156 Offline	That's Showbusiness! Quote: Originally posted by rich Seems slightly strange that the mags are testing a Works S before a std S against a CTR... I wonder if this is a deliberate strategy on BMW's part to create a perception that the S 'bests' the CTR. Suggests a regular S would fall short on these track tests The Civic Type-R has instantly become THE benchmark for performance and value. I expect MINI PR people are going to try every trick in the book to knock it off its perch - and why not Cooper Chili - Silk Green & Black, Climate Contol, Heated Jets, ASC+T, Alarm Arrived Nov 30 - Love it to bits

Feb 15th, 2002, 03:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
Spoolin' MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Doylestown, Pennsylvania Local Time: 05:15 PM Posts: 261 Offline	Silly thought, I know, but has anyone seen pics of this unicorn? Waiting, officially, since July 12, 2001. C'mon July 2002! Indi Blue Cooper S, White roof, Bonnet stripes, Lapis blue leather, Premium, Sport, and Winter packages. Is December here yet?

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Feb 13th, 2002, 09:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
stu(pid) MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2001 Local Time: 11:15 PM Posts: 126 Offline	It was today's (13th Feb) issue of Autocar. It was at Goodwood circuit. Only a very small piece at the bottom of one of the news pages. They state the 200bhp Cooper S works is on schedule for September 2002 release.

Feb 13th, 2002, 07:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
rich MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 08:15 AM Posts: 1,586 Offline	Seems slightly strange that the mags are testing a Works S before a std S against a CTR... I wonder if this is a deliberate strategy on BMW's part to create a perception that the S 'bests' the CTR. Suggests a regular S would fall short on these track tests

Feb 14th, 2002, 08:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
MichaelK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 342 Offline	Autocar wouldn't have tested it (BMW would have a fit). They either timed it or got some info from JCG. Michael

Feb 15th, 2002, 09:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
mr.bill MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: USA Local Time: 10:15 PM Posts: 577 Offline	The comparison is not really valid unless both cars were "showroom stock" and tested at the same track on the same day. Track conditions change with temperature and humidity and it doesn't take much to alter the outcome. Until the S is "official," everything is just speculation.

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