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Robino · Dec 27th, 2003, 11:30 PM

I'm currently saving up to buy a MC I was wondering what the JCW's conversion is like does it make a big differance? Just want to know if its worth saving up a bit more and buying the kit as well.

Won't have enough money yet awhile anyway! Oh well i still got the classic mini fun!

Robino · Dec 27th, 2003, 11:31 PM

I have seen the John Cooper website before anyone puts it up!

R1 · Dec 28th, 2003, 09:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Robino

I have seen the John Cooper website before anyone puts it up!

I tested one, thought it was OK, had the money, ordered the kit but I ended up not having it fitted!

The problem is that pound for BHP, the kit isn't really worth it! One magazine said although it gave better horsepower (only about 8 BHP though!) it was actually slower through the gears than the standared car!!

I saved my money.

If you haven't got your MINI yet, why not use the £2,000 for the Cooper JCW kit and order an "S" instead?

Probably comes out around the same price, depending on what Cooper spec you were ordering.

Read about my test here (bit of a roller coaster this one as first I was convinced it was great, then I got the calculator out and started reading mag reviews!!

):

http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...&highlight=jcw

Robino · Dec 28th, 2003, 12:03 PM

I wouldn't be able to insaur a S

StevePSB · Dec 28th, 2003, 12:08 PM

I couldn't afford to run an S either. ..

I'm still planning a JCW kit for my Cooper in the first quarter of 2004.

bubblegoose · Dec 28th, 2003, 01:39 PM

Ive been lucky enough to have had my engine control unit coded to be specced up to the John Cooper Works standard. I would say that it didnt massively increase the power of the cooper, but, it was defiately noticeable. I didnt have all the other bits & pieces put on it cos I couldn't afford it.
I had this done at the dealer I work for. Thank God for sly back-handers!!!

I would reccommend you to have it done, cos think about when you come to sell it - John Cooper Works Coopers are very rare at the moment & you will increase the re-sale value of the car.

Plus the fact you can brag to all the other Cooper owners that yours is a JCW!!! Think about all the invaluable street cred!

Hope my advice helps your decision,
Dave.

Root Ginger · Dec 29th, 2003, 10:44 AM

Yeah JCW Cooper are incredibly rare. Especially the 132BHP model. That was only around for about a year and I have one of these cars

I feel sorry now for the people buying the 122BHP version. Too quiet for my liking and not enough HP for your money

Probably a bit more practical for everyday driving, but lets face it folks, who got their MINI for practicality?

Romhog · Dec 29th, 2003, 11:15 AM

I agree with R1
The only trade off is you have to decide if you want to just void your warranty and go with other after market products.
I am going to wait the 3 years, and then im sure there will be even more out there to choose from. Then I will go all out with the header, valve cover, pulley, and ECU.

Robino · Dec 29th, 2003, 11:18 PM

So your saying the JCW kit is not worth it?

Robino · Dec 29th, 2003, 11:40 PM

Mini Speed also offer some good conversions...

KJ_daGreenMini · Dec 29th, 2003, 11:44 PM

wait a while. Eventually the S will be tuned to feck, demand for Cooper tuning is unbelievably high. american companies and some on here are already developing turbo conversions for the Cooper. it depends if you cant wait and want a BMW endorsed upgrade, or if you can wait, spend your cash on other upgrades and get an aftermarket conversion done.

I'm pretty sure there will be cars based around the mini comin out from other companies, technology can be applied to a wide range of cars quite easily.

I've had the dilema and concluded that i'll wait. £2300 to insure me on an S is stupid, so that money will get me 19s and coilovers this year. i'll save £6000 over 3 years insurance, thats a lot of cash for cosmetic work and other mechanical stuff / ICE etc.

You'll see

Robino · Dec 29th, 2003, 11:48 PM

I think i might go for the mini speed Cooper stage 2 kit which changes the bhp from 115 to 150!!!

Now all i need is enough money to buy my MINI

NEMINI · Dec 30th, 2003, 12:00 AM

good luck holding that tranny together, as that is the biggest weak-link to tuning a Cooper.

Romhog · Dec 30th, 2003, 01:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Robino

So your saying the JCW kit is not worth it?

the only thing is you keep your warranty. Thats the only thing thats worth it. If money is no object, then sure its ok. But I have to question just getting a WRX or a STI instead. because when all said and done, i would be spending about 30k anyhow. So why not get something that has almost 300hp.
Its just not the mini's mentality. IMHO

Robino · Dec 30th, 2003, 06:39 PM

Bah i won't get ne kit and live a happy life no pleasing u MINI owners

Dec 27th, 2003, 11:30 PM	#1
Robino Mini2mini Pimp poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 193 Offline	John Cooper Works Conversion.. I'm currently saving up to buy a MC I was wondering what the JCW's conversion is like does it make a big differance? Just want to know if its worth saving up a bit more and buying the kit as well. Won't have enough money yet awhile anyway! Oh well i still got the classic mini fun! Modded Mini Cooper Milo

Dec 27th, 2003, 11:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Robino Mini2mini Pimp poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 193 Offline	I have seen the John Cooper website before anyone puts it up! Modded Mini Cooper Milo

Dec 28th, 2003, 09:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
R1 Addicted to Speed!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..."B" roads!! Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 4,915 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Robino I have seen the John Cooper website before anyone puts it up! I tested one, thought it was OK, had the money, ordered the kit but I ended up not having it fitted! The problem is that pound for BHP, the kit isn't really worth it! One magazine said although it gave better horsepower (only about 8 BHP though!) it was actually slower through the gears than the standared car!! I saved my money. If you haven't got your MINI yet, why not use the £2,000 for the Cooper JCW kit and order an "S" instead? Probably comes out around the same price, depending on what Cooper spec you were ordering. Read about my test here (bit of a roller coaster this one as first I was convinced it was great, then I got the calculator out and started reading mag reviews!! ): http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...&highlight=jcw Last edited by R1 : Dec 28th, 2003 at 06:49 PM.

Dec 28th, 2003, 12:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Robino Mini2mini Pimp poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 193 Offline	I wouldn't be able to insaur a S Modded Mini Cooper Milo

Dec 29th, 2003, 10:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Yeah JCW Cooper are incredibly rare. Especially the 132BHP model. That was only around for about a year and I have one of these cars I feel sorry now for the people buying the 122BHP version. Too quiet for my liking and not enough HP for your money Probably a bit more practical for everyday driving, but lets face it folks, who got their MINI for practicality? It was acceptable in the 80's

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Dec 28th, 2003, 12:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
StevePSB MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bedworth / Doncaster Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 1,631 Offline	I couldn't afford to run an S either. .. I'm still planning a JCW kit for my Cooper in the first quarter of 2004.

Dec 28th, 2003, 01:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
bubblegoose Excited.. Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In the Office! Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 3,608 Offline	Ive been lucky enough to have had my engine control unit coded to be specced up to the John Cooper Works standard. I would say that it didnt massively increase the power of the cooper, but, it was defiately noticeable. I didnt have all the other bits & pieces put on it cos I couldn't afford it. I had this done at the dealer I work for. Thank God for sly back-handers!!! I would reccommend you to have it done, cos think about when you come to sell it - John Cooper Works Coopers are very rare at the moment & you will increase the re-sale value of the car. Plus the fact you can brag to all the other Cooper owners that yours is a JCW!!! Think about all the invaluable street cred! Hope my advice helps your decision, Dave.

Dec 29th, 2003, 11:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
Romhog My mini is my casket Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Local Time: 11:12 PM Posts: 511 Offline	I agree with R1 The only trade off is you have to decide if you want to just void your warranty and go with other after market products. I am going to wait the 3 years, and then im sure there will be even more out there to choose from. Then I will go all out with the header, valve cover, pulley, and ECU.

Dec 29th, 2003, 11:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
Robino Mini2mini Pimp poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 193 Offline	So your saying the JCW kit is not worth it? Modded Mini Cooper Milo

Dec 29th, 2003, 11:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Robino Mini2mini Pimp poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 193 Offline	Mini Speed also offer some good conversions... Modded Mini Cooper Milo

Dec 29th, 2003, 11:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
KJ_daGreenMini what happened to that boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 1,687 Offline	wait a while. Eventually the S will be tuned to feck, demand for Cooper tuning is unbelievably high. american companies and some on here are already developing turbo conversions for the Cooper. it depends if you cant wait and want a BMW endorsed upgrade, or if you can wait, spend your cash on other upgrades and get an aftermarket conversion done. I'm pretty sure there will be cars based around the mini comin out from other companies, technology can be applied to a wide range of cars quite easily. I've had the dilema and concluded that i'll wait. £2300 to insure me on an S is stupid, so that money will get me 19s and coilovers this year. i'll save £6000 over 3 years insurance, thats a lot of cash for cosmetic work and other mechanical stuff / ICE etc. You'll see

Dec 29th, 2003, 11:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Robino Mini2mini Pimp poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 193 Offline	I think i might go for the mini speed Cooper stage 2 kit which changes the bhp from 115 to 150!!! Now all i need is enough money to buy my MINI Modded Mini Cooper Milo

Dec 30th, 2003, 12:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
NEMINI NEMINI.org Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 11:12 PM Posts: 7,911 Offline	good luck holding that tranny together, as that is the biggest weak-link to tuning a Cooper. NEMINI.org, NEMINI.us, NEMINI.info, NYMINI.org

Dec 30th, 2003, 01:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
Romhog My mini is my casket Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Local Time: 11:12 PM Posts: 511 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Robino So your saying the JCW kit is not worth it? the only thing is you keep your warranty. Thats the only thing thats worth it. If money is no object, then sure its ok. But I have to question just getting a WRX or a STI instead. because when all said and done, i would be spending about 30k anyhow. So why not get something that has almost 300hp. Its just not the mini's mentality. IMHO

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Dec 30th, 2003, 06:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
Robino Mini2mini Pimp poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Local Time: 05:12 AM Posts: 193 Offline	Bah i won't get ne kit and live a happy life no pleasing u MINI owners Modded Mini Cooper Milo

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