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Old Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:46 AM
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My first Detailing Procedure !

Well... I only had my MCSA for a month and I'm already seeing swirl marks on my Hood .. SIgh .... so now I have to dash out to purchase some Meguiar's #9 swirl remover and some cool NXT wax to fix up my problem !

while I'm at it .... can I get some advice in doing my First detailing job For my MINI ... I thought I can do the following ...

Wash

Clay bar ( have not been purchase yet ! .. which brand is good ? )

Wash again

meguiar #9 swirl remover apply to the HOOD only ...

COLOUR X maybe ? DO I need it ?

NXT twice ...

what do you think ?

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Old Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:29 AM
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Most swirl remover labled product, just fill the scratches.
You want a cleaner/buffer wax.

Might need to use it 3 times.

I would wash first, there are many options here. Some will tell you dawn dish soap, but there is no real need to do this so soon.

If you have cosmoline, bugs, tar etc... Try Meguiar's Body Solvent

Dry

Let it sit in the shade or indoors until everything has cooled off.

If/when temperate.. Clay Bar. So far I found that Mothers and 3M offer great clay. I have not used any others yet.

Follow the directions of the clay bar. If you have grime or any surface contaminates you WILL feel the clay bar pick them up. Remember, minimal pressure when using the clay bar. Work in small 2ft sections.

This is now the time to use swirl remover. 3M has a very good product for this called Perfect It. For Dark Cars

Follow with a good carnauba wax, I just used Meguiar's No. 26 Paste Wax and it's produced a nice shine.

hope this helps
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Old Apr 2nd, 2005, 12:33 PM
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Just yesterday i received a publication/advertisement from costco (warhouse club) and in it they had a whole section featuring meguiars. It included meguiars tips on cleaning and detailing a car. So you can go to costco.com and look at the article on line although I just tried it and the links to the online version of the publication are not working right now. You can also go to meguars.com where they have a whole how to section which I guess would bypass the costco middle man for the info.

Is needing this after one month normal? I have had mine for 2 and 1/2 months and will admit I have never cared for a car like I do for my MINI. Maybe I should be taking a closer look.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:44 PM
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GREAT Feed back guys .. thanks alot .. I also have two more question ...

I hear that I can clay my car when I wash ... so does that mean I can wash the car and let the soup sit on the car and at the Same time Clay it too ?? I hear soup wash is a good agent to moisture the surface when I clay !


every forum I visit .. I see people refering Meguiar product by their numbers ... some I can find .. like the #9 swirl remover ( cause its on the label .. ) others ... like the No. 26 you mention .. I have absolute no idea what it is !

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Two sites for you to check:

Autopia - Site with more information on detailing than you ever wanted to know. Filled with obsessive individuals

Zaino - Maker of high end wax (although it's not wax, rather a polymer) that has always done a very good job foe=r me. Look at the 'Application' and 'Tips & Tricks' sections.
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In my honest opinion,

Zaino's cost does not equalize it's effect.

3M products are better for half the cost.

Meguiar's products listed by #, go to meguiars.com and browse
autopia is a decent site also

If your claying the car... WASH it FIRST.
Then dry it.

Do not clay WITH the SOAP. NEVER ever do that.

If you are new to the detailing thing, try Meguiar's NXT detailing kit

$45.00 US
http://www.meguiars.com/collections/index.cfm?CID=386

The Products are only as good as the hands using them, NEVER expect a product to produce the ultimate shine unless YOU are able to do that with the product.
Which is why I say you can get better results with 3M, Mothers or Meguiar's than Zaino.
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I totally agree that 3M makes terrific products and anyone would be more than happy using them. I was hesitant to mention Zaino (or any brand name) because I was afraid that it might start a 'this wax is better than that wax' rift. If an individual uses Brand X and is happy then it's the best for them. After using a number of different prodcuts, the Brand X that I've used and been satisfied with is Zaino, but that's just me (and maybe my more money than sense) talking.

Regardless of whatever product is involved do check the Autopia site as it has a lot of useful information (as well as some nitpicking).

VegasD your previous post could be interpreted as saying to use clay on a dry car which I'm sure you didn\t mean. Clay has to be used with a lubricating solution and a small amount of car wash soultion in water works quite well. What shouldn't be done is clay as the car as it is being washed.

To be sure that all the clay residue is off the car before applying polish give it more wash after finishing with the clay.
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As someone who has taken the pain to learn the how-to's of detailing(from research and also from talking to knowledgeable detailing people), and having spent hundreds of dollars buying and trying out various car detailing products, allow me to add my two bits here. And yes, I have also pored over the Autopia website for more hours than I would care to admit!!!

Yet, you will find that I'm not very different from most of my fellow MINIacs here in wanting to have my MINI look it's best

To begin with, you do NOT need to clay a brand new car, especially one that is only a month old and probably only a few months removed from having been built at the Oxford plant. Your MCSA would have been detailed professionally by your MINI dealership prior to your picking it up.

Let me sort through some misconceptions about what clay barring does and does not do:

- A clay bar does NOT remove scratches and swirl marks, to the contrary it actually makes them even more obvious and evident than before. What a clay bar does, is to remove environmental contaminants from the finish of your car, that regular washing and waxing cannot remove.

- WHEN do you need to use a clay bar?
A simple rule of thumb - wash your car thoroughly, from top to bottom. Then resoap the car (to ensure lubrication) and with your bare palm, rub it lightly across your car's painted finish. If the finish feels nice and smooth, it does not need to be claybarred. However, if the finish feels rough or pitted, then that particular area needs to be claybarred. (rinse the soap off the car after you have done this inspection).

- When you do decide to use a clay bar, the area that you are going to use the claybar on must be absolutely clean. So:

- Wash the car from top to bottom (do not dry it)

- After doing so, knead the clay bar (I usually knead the clay bar in a container of warm water to keep it soft and pliable while using it). Then, with either a detailing spray or a fresh bucket of soapy water and mitt, spray/soap up the area that you are going to apply the clay bar on. This is to ensure the lubricity of the clay bar on your car's finish, never apply the clay bar on a dry finish. You want the clay bar to 'pull' out the contaminants from your car's paint finish, and not physically damage it. It goes without saying, do not apply heavy pressure on the clay bar.

- ALWAYS knead and fold over the clay bar, till you reveal/expose a clean surface on the bar, while using it. Believe me, the first time you use a clay bar, you will almost keel over from the shock of seeing how much dirt the clay bar removes!!! Don't keep using the dirty surface, just keep kneading and folding over the bar. You can use a clay bar repeated times, as long as you remember to do this.

Never let the area that you are clay barring become dry. After you are done, rinse the car/cleaned area, and soap and wash the car again. You are doing this to remove every last bit of trace residue from the clay barring.

Using a clay bar will remove not only the contaminants, but every trace of protective wax/glaze protecting your paint finish. So, it is absolutely imperative that you rewax/polish the car immediately after using a clay bar.

In your case, you do not need to clay bar yet. You can remove the existing wax finish by using some dishwashing liquid like Dawn to wash your car, then drying it. This will 'prep' your car for the polishing/waxing. Note that this is the only time you should ever use dishwashing liquid. For regular car washes, always use an automotive car wash liquid, which will not strip the protective wax.

If you want to be really 'anal' about waxing your car, and 'hiding' those swirl marks as much as possible - use the #9 first, which is an ultrafine polish and will 'fill' the swirl marks, followed by the 'glaze' (ie the NXT wax), which is what gives the paint finish it's glossy finish, and finally 'sealed' with a wax with carnauba like Meguiar's #26 High Tech Wax, which doesn't actually increase the glossiness of the paint finish, but in effect puts a protective layer over the gloss that the NXT wax has created. (think of it this way, the carnauba wax is a clear coat protective finish for the gloss/glaze!)

The NXT wax is supposed to provide both the gloss and the protective finish, thus eliminating the need for a carnauba wax, but old school detailers still like adding the carnauba layer on top. You can actually rewax your car with the carnauba wax every couple of weeks or monthly, without having to do the dishwashing liquid wash and polishing.

Don't just take my word for it, this is some of what I have learnt from my research, and I am still learning everyday!!! Always feel free to disagree, and do your own research too
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WOW ! Thanks milliethemini ! really appreciate the detail write up !
Maybe I can skip the clay step for my mini but my BMW really needs that Clay... I can see the little TAR spots near the rear side bumper even with my bear eyes !! hahaha

one more thing ... any idea how to tackle the swirl marks on the black a-piilers on each side of the front window ?? #9 or plastic X ???

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a clay bar should come with a solution which it is to be used with.
A clay bar should be used no more than 3 times... no more.

The solution/spray used with a clay bar is much better than using dilluted soap.

The myth about your MINI dealership "detailing" your car is a frightening one.

Most who car about our cars, ask that the dealership NOT detail the car. Most dealership do not know the first thing about a thorough detailing. The best they do is spray it clean with a Spot Free rinse.

about the pillars, that is not a finish that can be treated with wax or swirl removers
Best bet is to replace them... that's about $12

I second the autopia comments, I am also a member there.
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Autopia has several " How To" sections, including one titled "Cleaning Your Paint With Detailing Clay" which seems to present a good discussion of how clay should be used and which can be seen by clicking here.

I couldn't agree more with VegasD concerning a dealer "detailing" a new car. I'm fortunate enough that my dealer has a separate detailing shop that actually does a real detail job before delivery (but I'm still requesting that my '05 MCS not be detailed by them when delivered).
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The first detail should be yours I believe, not the dealerships.

And with it being a MINI, it really is little effort when done right.
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