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spur · Nov 14th, 2003, 07:13 PM

Saw in this weeks AUTO CAR magazine that the MINI cooper convertable is going to cost £14,500 which is £2,800 more than the standard cooper. That is a jump i think is way to much. We all know the MINI is a good priced base car but to spec it up to a good standard (IMO) including chilli pack costs £3,000 more. £££17,500 for a cooper covertable is more than i want to pay or will be able to afford. i think the only way i would consider the mark up will be if the car comes with a much better spec and more on the options packs for the same money. By next summer, here in britain you will be able to buy a six year old mercedes SL which is a differant level, specced up to the eyeballs and with hardly any more deprecition ever, which would cover the extra insurance cost (for the average driver). dont get me wrong i badly want the MINI but i am now worried i will be getting rid of my option of one of the first cars in the country, i paid my deposit over a year ago..(im number 5 on list)

Goonery · Nov 14th, 2003, 07:16 PM

But Autocar say lots of things that do'nt actually happen, bit like the government

DocT · Nov 15th, 2003, 10:31 AM

Seems a lot for base spec.....you're close to new megane cc or 307 cc money at that and they have folding metal roofs...not that I'd have one!

come to think of it, 17.5K gets a recent and tidy slk!....still, I'll see just what a cooperS convertible spec is like before jumping ship to anothe manufacturer ;-)

Bonjour · Nov 15th, 2003, 11:21 AM

That's around the price I was quoted by my dealer when I was making enquiries. What price were you quoted?

I think it's pretty much as expected. By pricing it high, it makes it more exclusive and hence desirable. With regards to the merc, 6 year old hairdresser's car or brand new Mini? I know which I'd choose...

AMT · Nov 15th, 2003, 11:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by goonery

But Autocar say lots of things that do'nt actually happen, bit like the government

Second this! I subscribed to Autocar for a change to my usual auto express magazine, and regretted it! Sooo much of the information I read in there is complete bull ****. Convincing bull ****, but never the less: bull ****.

spur · Nov 16th, 2003, 10:22 AM

Bonjour i was told the convertable would be £800 (approx) cheaper than the latest estimate. the price doesnt mean im not going to buy but £175000 buys a real lot of 2nd hand car now days. you say by pricing the car high it makes it exclusive, hence more desriable,dont agree really,it is still only a MINI. As for the Merc SL being a hairdressers car, i think you may have got it confused with the SLK, which IMO is a bit girly.(the SL is£60,000 new, surely more exclusive?)That brings up my other concern, i think the MINI CONV may well get the hairdresser tag. P.S. for some reason i have a subscription with both Auto Express and Autocar.

Paul · Nov 16th, 2003, 10:52 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AMT

Second this! I subscribed to Autocar for a change to my usual auto express magazine, and regretted it! Sooo much of the information I read in there is complete bull ****. Convincing bull ****, but never the less: bull ****.

To be fair, they both probably publish as much bull as each other (as well as probably as much correct information as each other). There's very little difference in their MINI report accuracy over time.

Bonjour · Nov 16th, 2003, 11:46 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by spur

Bonjour i was told the convertable would be £800 (approx) cheaper than the latest estimate. the price doesnt mean im not going to buy but £175000 buys a real lot of 2nd hand car now days. you say by pricing the car high it makes it exclusive, hence more desriable,dont agree really,it is still only a MINI. As for the Merc SL being a hairdressers car, i think you may have got it confused with the SLK, which IMO is a bit girly.(the SL is£60,000 new, surely more exclusive?)That brings up my other concern, i think the MINI CONV may well get the hairdresser tag. P.S. for some reason i have a subscription with both Auto Express and Autocar.

So you did mean the SL. Sorry, I just presumed it was a typo as I couldn't see any way that the SL could be an alternative to the Mini cabrio, which of course the SLK is. At the end of the day, the SL will still be 6 years old and my point still stands (just omit the word 'hairdresser').

The Mini's already been labelled as 'this' and 'that', but seems to shrug the labels off. I'm fairly certain that at this time next year demand for Mini cabrios will far outstrip demand for 6 year old Merc SL's. How much would it cost to keep one of them on the road?

Anywho, all the best. Hopefully the cabrio will come in at less than expected.

Prowse · Nov 21st, 2003, 01:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by spur

Saw in this weeks AUTO CAR magazine that the MINI cooper convertable is going to cost £14,500 which is £2,800 more than the standard cooper.

Every time I've seen a price for a new vehicle in Autocar it's been inaccurate; unfortunately they tend to under-price if anything. I could certainly imagine the Cabrio being £2K more than the standard Cooper. A lot of extra metal has to go into the sills to keep the thing firm and stop scuttle-shake. You've also got the cost of that drop-top mechanism!

AMT · Nov 21st, 2003, 03:29 PM

For sure Autocar is accurate most of the time, especially with things like prices / dates etc. But I disagree with a lot of their opinions on things (editor sutton & colin goodwin especially), who absolutely PANNED the Honda S2000 recently in an answer to a question "which car should I buy...", saying it was dangerous to drive fast, "nasty" and generally a VERY bad car. I showed the article to a friend who was thinking about buying one, and it put him RIGHT off. A few weeks later, it was on Top Gear, "a superb car, no complaints".

I know everyone's entitled to their own opinions but this is one thing that put me right off Autocar. A poor show.

P.S £2800 increase a little on the pricey side IMO!

KenL · Feb 12th, 2004, 07:10 AM

Anyone got any more up to date info on the likely premium for the Convertible?

scooperman_uk · Feb 12th, 2004, 07:20 AM

for that price, i would stay with a Cooper S ... any one know what the insurace group for the different convertible models will be... i reacon u cooper - group 10. just guessing..

Washy · Feb 12th, 2004, 08:01 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by scooperman_uk

for that price, i would stay with a Cooper S ... any one know what the insurace group for the different convertible models will be... i reacon u cooper - group 10. just guessing..

Reckon 8 or 9 for a Cooper. A Ford StreetKa is an 8

As for prices I reckon £14k for a Cooper and £17k for an S...just my guess based on how BMW price their other covnertibles.
Do remember that the Cabrio will be the best depreciator of the the lot due to the low production qty's

Paul · Feb 12th, 2004, 09:42 AM

My guess (and this is a COMPLETE guess) is around £18k to £18.5k for the Cooper S, around £14.5k to £15k for the Cooper, and about the same increase for the One.

This is a guess based on other BMW models and rumours about the Convertible I've seen on here.

Washy · Feb 12th, 2004, 09:53 AM

This could be a cool competition, guess the price of the convertible...closest wins a prize

KenL · Feb 12th, 2004, 09:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

My guess (and this is a COMPLETE guess) is around £18k to £18.5k for the Cooper S, around £14.5k to £15k for the Cooper, and about the same increase for the One.

This is a guess based on other BMW models and rumours about the Convertible I've seen on here.

So you recon a £2.8-£3.3k increase for the Cooper but a £3.4-3.9k increase for an S - ouch.

bobnobski · Feb 12th, 2004, 09:59 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by washy

This could be a cool competition, guess the price of the convertible...closest wins a prize

£13.8k for the Cooper
£17.5k for the SSSS

May well have to get me one of these convertables and take it to europe next year to watch the Villa (hey Washy!!!)

Washy · Feb 12th, 2004, 10:02 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by bobnobski

£13.8k for the Cooper
£17.5k for the SSSS

May well have to get me one of these convertables and take it to europe next year to watch the Villa (hey Washy!!!)

I'm actually starting to dream....

, convertible may not be a lot of use in Moscow or Kiev though....

Just as some sort of comparison a specced up Smart roadster ranges from £14 to £19k....

KenL · Feb 12th, 2004, 10:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by washy

This could be a cool competition, guess the price of the convertible...closest wins a prize

OK here's my go. I'm hoping a maximum basic price as follows:

ONE £12.5k
Coop £14k
S £16.7k

I believe a £2k premium is more than enough for them to charge. It is a canvas roof after all not a fancy SLK/206CC type roof.

spur · Feb 12th, 2004, 08:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by washy

This could be a cool competition, guess the price of the convertible...closest wins a prize

£14,890 for the basic spec cooper. i just hope bmw cut us a bit of slack on the price of the A/C. There is also a poll, would you get A/C for conv, please vote, is it needed?

Nov 14th, 2003, 07:13 PM	#1
spur MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London/Essex Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 484 Offline	£14,500. Ouch. Saw in this weeks AUTO CAR magazine that the MINI cooper convertable is going to cost £14,500 which is £2,800 more than the standard cooper. That is a jump i think is way to much. We all know the MINI is a good priced base car but to spec it up to a good standard (IMO) including chilli pack costs £3,000 more. £££17,500 for a cooper covertable is more than i want to pay or will be able to afford. i think the only way i would consider the mark up will be if the car comes with a much better spec and more on the options packs for the same money. By next summer, here in britain you will be able to buy a six year old mercedes SL which is a differant level, specced up to the eyeballs and with hardly any more deprecition ever, which would cover the extra insurance cost (for the average driver). dont get me wrong i badly want the MINI but i am now worried i will be getting rid of my option of one of the first cars in the country, i paid my deposit over a year ago..(im number 5 on list) Last edited by spur : Nov 14th, 2003 at 07:39 PM.

Nov 15th, 2003, 10:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
DocT Sponsor & Human Mechanic Join Date: May 2002 Location: Newton Mearns, Glasg Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 263 Offline	Seems a lot for base spec.....you're close to new megane cc or 307 cc money at that and they have folding metal roofs...not that I'd have one! come to think of it, 17.5K gets a recent and tidy slk!....still, I'll see just what a cooperS convertible spec is like before jumping ship to anothe manufacturer ;-) DocT Cooper S DS/B (of course), Chilli, Auto Air, Full Leather, Roof, etc etc + Chrome-Design Pack / whelan shift machine / Origin B2 / TOYO NON-RUNFLATS :-))) Fastest Housecalls in the NHS!

Nov 16th, 2003, 10:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
spur MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London/Essex Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 484 Offline	Bonjour i was told the convertable would be £800 (approx) cheaper than the latest estimate. the price doesnt mean im not going to buy but £175000 buys a real lot of 2nd hand car now days. you say by pricing the car high it makes it exclusive, hence more desriable,dont agree really,it is still only a MINI. As for the Merc SL being a hairdressers car, i think you may have got it confused with the SLK, which IMO is a bit girly.(the SL is£60,000 new, surely more exclusive?)That brings up my other concern, i think the MINI CONV may well get the hairdresser tag. P.S. for some reason i have a subscription with both Auto Express and Autocar. TOP OFF AT LAST. (Everybody be cool, you, be cool.)

Feb 12th, 2004, 07:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 5,203 Offline	Anyone got any more up to date info on the likely premium for the Convertible? Red/Black R56 Cooper

Feb 12th, 2004, 08:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 18,250 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scooperman_uk for that price, i would stay with a Cooper S ... any one know what the insurace group for the different convertible models will be... i reacon u cooper - group 10. just guessing.. Reckon 8 or 9 for a Cooper. A Ford StreetKa is an 8 As for prices I reckon £14k for a Cooper and £17k for an S...just my guess based on how BMW price their other covnertibles. Do remember that the Cabrio will be the best depreciator of the the lot due to the low production qty's Black to the future....

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Nov 14th, 2003, 07:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Goonery Time for CHANGE ! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 13,503 Offline	But Autocar say lots of things that do'nt actually happen, bit like the government

Nov 15th, 2003, 11:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
Bonjour der Hummermeister Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Stuck in a box Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 1,613 Offline	That's around the price I was quoted by my dealer when I was making enquiries. What price were you quoted? I think it's pretty much as expected. By pricing it high, it makes it more exclusive and hence desirable. With regards to the merc, 6 year old hairdresser's car or brand new Mini? I know which I'd choose...

Nov 15th, 2003, 11:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
AMT MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 462 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by goonery But Autocar say lots of things that do'nt actually happen, bit like the government Second this! I subscribed to Autocar for a change to my usual auto express magazine, and regretted it! Sooo much of the information I read in there is complete bull **. Convincing bull , but never the less: bull **.

Nov 16th, 2003, 10:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 40,435 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AMT Second this! I subscribed to Autocar for a change to my usual auto express magazine, and regretted it! Sooo much of the information I read in there is complete bull **. Convincing bull , but never the less: bull **. To be fair, they both probably publish as much bull as each other (as well as probably as much correct information as each other). There's very little difference in their MINI report accuracy over time.

Nov 16th, 2003, 11:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
Bonjour der Hummermeister Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Stuck in a box Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 1,613 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by spur Bonjour i was told the convertable would be £800 (approx) cheaper than the latest estimate. the price doesnt mean im not going to buy but £175000 buys a real lot of 2nd hand car now days. you say by pricing the car high it makes it exclusive, hence more desriable,dont agree really,it is still only a MINI. As for the Merc SL being a hairdressers car, i think you may have got it confused with the SLK, which IMO is a bit girly.(the SL is£60,000 new, surely more exclusive?)That brings up my other concern, i think the MINI CONV may well get the hairdresser tag. P.S. for some reason i have a subscription with both Auto Express and Autocar. So you did mean the SL. Sorry, I just presumed it was a typo as I couldn't see any way that the SL could be an alternative to the Mini cabrio, which of course the SLK is. At the end of the day, the SL will still be 6 years old and my point still stands (just omit the word 'hairdresser'). The Mini's already been labelled as 'this' and 'that', but seems to shrug the labels off. I'm fairly certain that at this time next year demand for Mini cabrios will far outstrip demand for 6 year old Merc SL's. How much would it cost to keep one of them on the road? Anywho, all the best. Hopefully the cabrio will come in at less than expected.

Nov 21st, 2003, 01:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Prowse MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lancs Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 1,488 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by spur Saw in this weeks AUTO CAR magazine that the MINI cooper convertable is going to cost £14,500 which is £2,800 more than the standard cooper. Every time I've seen a price for a new vehicle in Autocar it's been inaccurate; unfortunately they tend to under-price if anything. I could certainly imagine the Cabrio being £2K more than the standard Cooper. A lot of extra metal has to go into the sills to keep the thing firm and stop scuttle-shake. You've also got the cost of that drop-top mechanism!

Nov 21st, 2003, 03:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
AMT MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 462 Offline	For sure Autocar is accurate most of the time, especially with things like prices / dates etc. But I disagree with a lot of their opinions on things (editor sutton & colin goodwin especially), who absolutely PANNED the Honda S2000 recently in an answer to a question "which car should I buy...", saying it was dangerous to drive fast, "nasty" and generally a VERY bad car. I showed the article to a friend who was thinking about buying one, and it put him RIGHT off. A few weeks later, it was on Top Gear, "a superb car, no complaints". I know everyone's entitled to their own opinions but this is one thing that put me right off Autocar. A poor show. P.S £2800 increase a little on the pricey side IMO!

Feb 12th, 2004, 07:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
scooperman_uk almost 59k Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reading / Berks / Uk Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 5,242 Offline	for that price, i would stay with a Cooper S ... any one know what the insurace group for the different convertible models will be... i reacon u cooper - group 10. just guessing..

Feb 12th, 2004, 09:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 40,435 Offline	My guess (and this is a COMPLETE guess) is around £18k to £18.5k for the Cooper S, around £14.5k to £15k for the Cooper, and about the same increase for the One. This is a guess based on other BMW models and rumours about the Convertible I've seen on here.

Feb 12th, 2004, 09:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 18,250 Offline	This could be a cool competition, guess the price of the convertible...closest wins a prize Black to the future....

Feb 12th, 2004, 09:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 5,203 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett My guess (and this is a COMPLETE guess) is around £18k to £18.5k for the Cooper S, around £14.5k to £15k for the Cooper, and about the same increase for the One. This is a guess based on other BMW models and rumours about the Convertible I've seen on here. So you recon a £2.8-£3.3k increase for the Cooper but a £3.4-3.9k increase for an S - ouch. Red/Black R56 Cooper

Feb 12th, 2004, 09:59 AM	#17 (permalink)
bobnobski MINI2 Irritant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 05:21 AM Posts: 1,006 Offline	Ok heres mine!! Quote: Originally Posted by washy This could be a cool competition, guess the price of the convertible...closest wins a prize £13.8k for the Cooper £17.5k for the SSSS May well have to get me one of these convertables and take it to europe next year to watch the Villa (hey Washy!!!)

Feb 12th, 2004, 10:02 AM	#18 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 18,250 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by bobnobski £13.8k for the Cooper £17.5k for the SSSS May well have to get me one of these convertables and take it to europe next year to watch the Villa (hey Washy!!!) I'm actually starting to dream.... , convertible may not be a lot of use in Moscow or Kiev though.... Just as some sort of comparison a specced up Smart roadster ranges from £14 to £19k.... Black to the future....

Feb 12th, 2004, 10:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 5,203 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by washy This could be a cool competition, guess the price of the convertible...closest wins a prize OK here's my go. I'm hoping a maximum basic price as follows: ONE £12.5k Coop £14k S £16.7k I believe a £2k premium is more than enough for them to charge. It is a canvas roof after all not a fancy SLK/206CC type roof. Red/Black R56 Cooper

Feb 12th, 2004, 08:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
spur MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London/Essex Local Time: 06:21 AM Posts: 484 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by washy This could be a cool competition, guess the price of the convertible...closest wins a prize £14,890 for the basic spec cooper. i just hope bmw cut us a bit of slack on the price of the A/C. There is also a poll, would you get A/C for conv, please vote, is it needed? TOP OFF AT LAST. (Everybody be cool, you, be cool.)

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