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Mini ClubMan · Apr 15th, 2007, 07:54 PM

Went into Doncaster Stratstone Mini yesterday having booked a test drive - not sure why as I have ordered the car and its due late next week or early following week...

anyway took my other half with me .... who also had a test drive .... promptly ordered another - so from early June we will both be cooper D drivers!

1 x Chilli Red and 1 x Sparkling silver.

Cant Wait!

Speedd · Apr 15th, 2007, 08:08 PM

might have to book a test drive

Need to sell some cars and get err in job first

.. Master... do you have any tips

Mini ClubMan · Apr 15th, 2007, 08:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Speedd (original)

might have to book a test drive

Need to sell some cars and get err in job first

.. Master... do you have any tips

Prostitution???

Herbiea · Apr 15th, 2007, 08:39 PM

Hi all,
I test drove the Cooper D yesterday and I'm afraid to say I was dissapointed with the performance - I was really expecting something great with all that torque. It might be just a perception from the short drive but there only seemed to be any real power between 2500 and 4000 revs which left me constantly trying to find the right gear to move through dual carrigeway traffic. I'm sticking with my 04 Cooper for now but I might give the D another go after it has a few thousand on the clock (only 15 miles at the time of the test). It was quiet though, come to think of it, probably no worse than the 56 petrol I tried.

popey · Apr 15th, 2007, 08:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

Its not all about BHP you know

Torque is your friend, not BHP.

However the Skoda Fabia vRS has a 1.9 TDI with more Torque than the R56 S, but it cant give the S a run for its money no matter how hard my Skoda selling friend tries and hes also "an advanced driver". Maybe its the combination of the 2??

So Rakey would you say its worth taking Alison up on the offer a drive this week???

Scrogg · Apr 15th, 2007, 08:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by popey (original)

So Rakey would you say its worth taking Alison up on the offer a drive this week???

Of course it is, just so you can say you have.

I've got one booked for a weekend in May even though I've got no intention of buying one!

Alan Partridge · Apr 15th, 2007, 09:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Herbiea (original)

Hi all,
I test drove the Cooper D yesterday and I'm afraid to say I was dissapointed with the performance - I was really expecting something great with all that torque. It might be just a perception from the short drive but there only seemed to be any real power between 2500 and 4000 revs which left me constantly trying to find the right gear to move through dual carrigeway traffic. I'm sticking with my 04 Cooper for now but I might give the D another go after it has a few thousand on the clock (only 15 miles at the time of the test). It was quiet though, come to think of it, probably no worse than the 56 petrol I tried.

Hi Herbiea. I've had a Peugeot 206 with the 2 litre 90 bhp HDI diesel engine which is the forerunner of the Cooper D engine and it took a little while to get use to the fact that there was no umph above 4000 RPM, but once I got use to it I actually got to like it. Not having to rev the engine to high revs to get good performance out of it became a positive for me as did the pulling power for going up hills and the good mid range acceleration which appears to be confirmed by Mini in their latest brochure performance figures section. I guess it comes down to personal preference, some people prefer to rev an engine up to 5000 and above and I respect that, I prefer the mid-range grunt of a diesel.

Scrogg · Apr 15th, 2007, 09:32 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Partridge (original)

I've had a Peugeot 206 with the 2 litre 90 bhp HDI diesel engine which is the forerunner of the Cooper D engine...

The 2.0 HDi 90 is the old 8-valve unit. The engine in the Cooper D is the 1.6 HDi 110 16-valve found in the new 207 GT (amongst others) and also in some Fords.

These two engines behave in very different ways, so it is unfair to compare the 2.0 with the new MINI engine.

Alan Partridge · Apr 15th, 2007, 09:51 PM

Hi Scrogg. I guess what I was trying to say was that the 1.6 HDI came out after the 2.0 HDI that I've had and I'm sure it is a better engine. My friend has a 206 1.6 HDI and is well pleased with it. The main point I was trying to make was about the power band of the HDI engines. Although the 1.6 is more powerful than the 2.0 the max torque of the 2.0 is at 1900 RPM and the max BHP of the 2.0 is at 4000 RPM, RPM figures that are not too dissimilar to the 1.6 and my guess is that like the 2.0 the 1.6 does not have a lot of umph over 4000 RPM. Like I said in my post I'm quite happy with good mid-range pulling power. I should have a better idea about the Cooper D tomorrow when I finally collect mine.

Speedd · Apr 15th, 2007, 10:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Minimaybe (original)

Prostitution???

tried that

But sprog involved, and she's always involed doing her duties

would be great if NO rev limit was set

oh petrol before i blow a gasket

i

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 10:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

Of course it is, just so you can say you have.

I've got one booked for a weekend in May even though I've got no intention of buying one!

Too right, well worth the drive, I had a GP waiting for me to drive home, but still took the time to give Dooper a run out

Only 18 miles on the clock and I was very impressed, look forward to hearing your report on it

ALD0 · Apr 16th, 2007, 07:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

The 2.0 HDi 90 is the old 8-valve unit. The engine in the Cooper D is the 1.6 HDi 110 16-valve found in the new 207 GT (amongst others) and also in some Fords.

These two engines behave in very different ways, so it is unfair to compare the 2.0 with the new MINI engine.

Yep, The 16 valver will have more bite, will sound slightly more noiser though with the 16 valves chugging away.
When I had my olde ONE D and was remapped by West tuning to approx 105 bhp, that was quicker than a R53 Cooper and kept up with a S no problem on the twisties

The Cooper D has even more potential than that with the bigger engine and more bhp, I reckon 135/140 realistically is not out the question, and what with the cheap road tax

May have to go for a test drive, but I know what will happen

Still it hasn't got that Super charger noise though

robertelizabeth · Apr 16th, 2007, 08:59 AM

Talking torque: The acceleration between 50 and 75mph in 4th/5th/6th gear for the Cooper is: 9.4/12.1/14.3 For the Cooper D: 7.4/9.5/10.8. End of argument?
Anybody yet got info about the Cooper D torque curve? 240 Nm max between narrow band of 1750 and 2000 revs. But where does it go from there. Hopefully a fairly flat curve.

KenL · Apr 16th, 2007, 10:16 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Herbiea (original)

Hi all,
I was really expecting something great with all that torque. It might be just a perception from the short drive but there only seemed to be any real power between 2500 and 4000 revs which left me constantly trying to find the right gear to move through dual carrigeway traffic.

That's the way I feel about diesels.

Sure, they can accelerate like hell by just planting your foot but the useable power band is so small.

m1m0 · Apr 16th, 2007, 10:52 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

That's the way I feel about diesels.

Sure, they can accelerate like hell by just planting your foot but the useable power band is so small.

Yeah me too. Driven plenty of diesels, the 120D being the most recent. It had 170-odd BHP and did 0-62 in 7.9 seconds, so it's quicker than the 'Dooper' - but even so, it just wasn't as good as a petrol.

svendekoster · Apr 16th, 2007, 11:16 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by m1m0 (original)

Yeah me too. Driven plenty of diesels, the 120D being the most recent. It had 170-odd BHP and did 0-62 in 7.9 seconds, so it's quicker than the 'Dooper' - but even so, it just wasn't as good as a petrol.

Can understand this.
I drove a 118d before (crashed it 6 weeks ago (don't ask)), and indeed, there's always that 'oh, are we out yet?'-thing. But, than again, just change gear and put your foot back down!
Indeed, you'll have to work that gearbox a bit more, but isn't that a big part of the fun of driving?
I ordered my Dooper a couple of weeks ago, and can't wait to work him.

m1m0 · Apr 16th, 2007, 11:20 AM

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the Dooper will be great. It comes down to personal preference - I just prefer higher revving petrol engines.

Scrogg · Apr 16th, 2007, 11:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original)

Yep, The 16 valver will have more bite, will sound slightly more noiser though with the 16 valves chugging away.

Having driven both recently, I find the 16v smoother and quieter than the 8v, but admittedly I have only driven them for a short time.

Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original)

The Cooper D has even more potential than that with the bigger engine and more bhp, I reckon 135/140 realistically is not out the question

You're not wrong.

A Bluefin will get the same engine to 139bhp on the 307 and, for some reason, 131bhp on the Focus, so the figures for the MINI should be equally, or even more, impressive!

Hat · Apr 16th, 2007, 11:24 AM

i should probably know this, but where is the engine coming from - is it BMW's own or a customer unit?

Scrogg · Apr 16th, 2007, 11:33 AM

Post 27 onwards of this thread (on this page!

) should have answered that for you!

But, to save you reading back, it's the 1.6 16v HDi 110 unit from PSA that's also used by Ford.

Apr 15th, 2007, 08:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
Speedd Don Vito Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Speedd Lane Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 16,325 Offline	might have to book a test drive Need to sell some cars and get err in job first .. Master... do you have any tips Does my @rse look big in this broom broom

Apr 15th, 2007, 08:41 PM	#25 (permalink)
popey Wants an Audi My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Blackpool Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 1,429 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) Its not all about BHP you know Torque is your friend, not BHP. However the Skoda Fabia vRS has a 1.9 TDI with more Torque than the R56 S, but it cant give the S a run for its money no matter how hard my Skoda selling friend tries and hes also "an advanced driver". Maybe its the combination of the 2?? So Rakey would you say its worth taking Alison up on the offer a drive this week??? Now With Toyo Rubber!!

Apr 15th, 2007, 10:00 PM	#30 (permalink)
Speedd Don Vito Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Speedd Lane Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 16,325 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Minimaybe (original) Prostitution??? tried that But sprog involved, and she's always involed doing her duties would be great if NO rev limit was set oh petrol before i blow a gasket i Does my @rse look big in this broom broom

Apr 15th, 2007, 10:44 PM	#31 (permalink)
Rakey knowing me, knowing you My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Norwich Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 50,610 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original) Of course it is, just so you can say you have. I've got one booked for a weekend in May even though I've got no intention of buying one! Too right, well worth the drive, I had a GP waiting for me to drive home, but still took the time to give Dooper a run out Only 18 miles on the clock and I was very impressed, look forward to hearing your report on it Its only a forum you know!

Apr 16th, 2007, 10:16 AM	#34 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 5,216 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Herbiea (original) Hi all, I was really expecting something great with all that torque. It might be just a perception from the short drive but there only seemed to be any real power between 2500 and 4000 revs which left me constantly trying to find the right gear to move through dual carrigeway traffic. That's the way I feel about diesels. Sure, they can accelerate like hell by just planting your foot but the useable power band is so small. Red/Black R56 Cooper

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Mini ClubMan Clubman Rules! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Doncaster (ish) Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 49 Offline	Went into Doncaster Stratstone Mini yesterday having booked a test drive - not sure why as I have ordered the car and its due late next week or early following week... anyway took my other half with me .... who also had a test drive .... promptly ordered another - so from early June we will both be cooper D drivers! 1 x Chilli Red and 1 x Sparkling silver. Cant Wait!

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Apr 15th, 2007, 08:33 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mini ClubMan Clubman Rules! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Doncaster (ish) Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 49 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Speedd (original) might have to book a test drive Need to sell some cars and get err in job first .. Master... do you have any tips Prostitution???

Apr 15th, 2007, 08:39 PM	#24 (permalink)
Herbiea MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 27 Offline	Hi all, I test drove the Cooper D yesterday and I'm afraid to say I was dissapointed with the performance - I was really expecting something great with all that torque. It might be just a perception from the short drive but there only seemed to be any real power between 2500 and 4000 revs which left me constantly trying to find the right gear to move through dual carrigeway traffic. I'm sticking with my 04 Cooper for now but I might give the D another go after it has a few thousand on the clock (only 15 miles at the time of the test). It was quiet though, come to think of it, probably no worse than the 56 petrol I tried.

Apr 15th, 2007, 08:44 PM	#26 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by popey (original) So Rakey would you say its worth taking Alison up on the offer a drive this week??? Of course it is, just so you can say you have. I've got one booked for a weekend in May even though I've got no intention of buying one!

Apr 15th, 2007, 09:14 PM	#27 (permalink)
Alan Partridge MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Herbiea (original) Hi all, I test drove the Cooper D yesterday and I'm afraid to say I was dissapointed with the performance - I was really expecting something great with all that torque. It might be just a perception from the short drive but there only seemed to be any real power between 2500 and 4000 revs which left me constantly trying to find the right gear to move through dual carrigeway traffic. I'm sticking with my 04 Cooper for now but I might give the D another go after it has a few thousand on the clock (only 15 miles at the time of the test). It was quiet though, come to think of it, probably no worse than the 56 petrol I tried. Hi Herbiea. I've had a Peugeot 206 with the 2 litre 90 bhp HDI diesel engine which is the forerunner of the Cooper D engine and it took a little while to get use to the fact that there was no umph above 4000 RPM, but once I got use to it I actually got to like it. Not having to rev the engine to high revs to get good performance out of it became a positive for me as did the pulling power for going up hills and the good mid range acceleration which appears to be confirmed by Mini in their latest brochure performance figures section. I guess it comes down to personal preference, some people prefer to rev an engine up to 5000 and above and I respect that, I prefer the mid-range grunt of a diesel.

Apr 15th, 2007, 09:32 PM	#28 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Partridge (original) I've had a Peugeot 206 with the 2 litre 90 bhp HDI diesel engine which is the forerunner of the Cooper D engine... The 2.0 HDi 90 is the old 8-valve unit. The engine in the Cooper D is the 1.6 HDi 110 16-valve found in the new 207 GT (amongst others) and also in some Fords. These two engines behave in very different ways, so it is unfair to compare the 2.0 with the new MINI engine.

Apr 15th, 2007, 09:51 PM	#29 (permalink)
Alan Partridge MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 25 Offline	Hi Scrogg. I guess what I was trying to say was that the 1.6 HDI came out after the 2.0 HDI that I've had and I'm sure it is a better engine. My friend has a 206 1.6 HDI and is well pleased with it. The main point I was trying to make was about the power band of the HDI engines. Although the 1.6 is more powerful than the 2.0 the max torque of the 2.0 is at 1900 RPM and the max BHP of the 2.0 is at 4000 RPM, RPM figures that are not too dissimilar to the 1.6 and my guess is that like the 2.0 the 1.6 does not have a lot of umph over 4000 RPM. Like I said in my post I'm quite happy with good mid-range pulling power. I should have a better idea about the Cooper D tomorrow when I finally collect mine.

Apr 16th, 2007, 07:30 AM	#32 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master <div><a href= Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 9,445 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original) The 2.0 HDi 90 is the old 8-valve unit. The engine in the Cooper D is the 1.6 HDi 110 16-valve found in the new 207 GT (amongst others) and also in some Fords. These two engines behave in very different ways, so it is unfair to compare the 2.0 with the new MINI engine. Yep, The 16 valver will have more bite, will sound slightly more noiser though with the 16 valves chugging away. When I had my olde ONE D and was remapped by West tuning to approx 105 bhp, that was quicker than a R53 Cooper and kept up with a S no problem on the twisties The Cooper D has even more potential than that with the bigger engine and more bhp, I reckon 135/140 realistically is not out the question, and what with the cheap road tax May have to go for a test drive, but I know what will happen Still it hasn't got that Super charger noise though

Apr 16th, 2007, 08:59 AM	#33 (permalink)
robertelizabeth MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 11 Offline	Talking torque: The acceleration between 50 and 75mph in 4th/5th/6th gear for the Cooper is: 9.4/12.1/14.3 For the Cooper D: 7.4/9.5/10.8. End of argument? Anybody yet got info about the Cooper D torque curve? 240 Nm max between narrow band of 1750 and 2000 revs. But where does it go from there. Hopefully a fairly flat curve.

Apr 16th, 2007, 10:52 AM	#35 (permalink)
m1m0 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cardiff Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 211 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) That's the way I feel about diesels. Sure, they can accelerate like hell by just planting your foot but the useable power band is so small. Yeah me too. Driven plenty of diesels, the 120D being the most recent. It had 170-odd BHP and did 0-62 in 7.9 seconds, so it's quicker than the 'Dooper' - but even so, it just wasn't as good as a petrol.

Apr 16th, 2007, 11:16 AM	#36 (permalink)
svendekoster Let the Cooper D come... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Brussels - Belgium Local Time: 10:56 AM Posts: 14 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by m1m0 (original) Yeah me too. Driven plenty of diesels, the 120D being the most recent. It had 170-odd BHP and did 0-62 in 7.9 seconds, so it's quicker than the 'Dooper' - but even so, it just wasn't as good as a petrol. Can understand this. I drove a 118d before (crashed it 6 weeks ago (don't ask)), and indeed, there's always that 'oh, are we out yet?'-thing. But, than again, just change gear and put your foot back down! Indeed, you'll have to work that gearbox a bit more, but isn't that a big part of the fun of driving? I ordered my Dooper a couple of weeks ago, and can't wait to work him.

Apr 16th, 2007, 11:20 AM	#37 (permalink)
m1m0 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cardiff Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 211 Offline	Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the Dooper will be great. It comes down to personal preference - I just prefer higher revving petrol engines.

Apr 16th, 2007, 11:20 AM	#38 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original) Yep, The 16 valver will have more bite, will sound slightly more noiser though with the 16 valves chugging away. Having driven both recently, I find the 16v smoother and quieter than the 8v, but admittedly I have only driven them for a short time. Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original) The Cooper D has even more potential than that with the bigger engine and more bhp, I reckon 135/140 realistically is not out the question You're not wrong. A Bluefin will get the same engine to 139bhp on the 307 and, for some reason, 131bhp on the Focus, so the figures for the MINI should be equally, or even more, impressive!

Apr 16th, 2007, 11:24 AM	#39 (permalink)
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 15,866 Offline	i should probably know this, but where is the engine coming from - is it BMW's own or a customer unit?

Apr 16th, 2007, 11:33 AM	#40 (permalink)
Scrogg YLYP Reclamation Squad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 09:56 AM Posts: 15,246 Offline	Post 27 onwards of this thread (on this page! ) should have answered that for you! But, to save you reading back, it's the 1.6 16v HDi 110 unit from PSA that's also used by Ford.

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