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Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 03:47 PM

Well I couldn't help myself, and I was rather hoping to get a drive of it before I drove home in the GP I picked up yesterday

The car I drove had no Sport suspension, which was a shame, as to me this was the only thing that let it down.

I was so impressed with how it pulled, the torque, the power, the fact I could get teh DSC light flashing

I have been warned by someone that I would like it, as it was far more involving than the petrol Cooper and MCS, and I recon it would give an old MCS a run for its money no problem

It would actually make sense as a second car for me, and if I feel I need that second motor which is more practical later in the year then this could be it, as I'm still not a fan of the drive of the R56 petrol cars, but this for me was more of what is missing from the others. Its very involving, and not in a tiring way that I always felt the OneD was.

Oh and the engine noise, no worse than some of the petrol R56's I've driven

Robboc · Apr 15th, 2007, 04:02 PM

I popped into Cooper Tadworth yesterday as they had a demo day for the new D. As I was leaving I saw a woman being handed the keys and starting up her new Cooper S. I couldnt help but chuckle to myself as when she turned the key it sounded worse than the diesel version. I would have been so angry if i was her. What is it with these new petrol engines?

Oh I didnt try the new D out Rakey as my wife used up all our time looking at a little orange Cooper Cabrio.

Paul · Apr 15th, 2007, 05:30 PM

I have.

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

I have.

yeah well we knew you had, I meant real punters

KenL · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

I have been warned by someone that I would like it, as it was far more involving than the petrol Cooper and MCS, and I recon it would give an old MCS a run for its money no problem

Yeah right!

I am it is a great car and will have great in gear pull, but surely can't be a match for a car with almost 60% more BHP.

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

Yeah right!

I am it is a great car and will have great in gear pull, but surely can't be a match for a car with almost 60% more BHP.

Its not all about BHP you know

Torque is your friend, not BHP.

I mean next you'll be saying that its all about engine size, a 1.6ltr One (old gen), a 1.6ltr Cooper, a 1.6ltr MCS, a 1.6ltr JCW, a 1.6ltr GP, all are different

Sorry to say it but the R56 Dooper is as spirited to drive as the R53 MCS, if you don't believe it then get yourself over to Ireland in May and I am sure a couple of the lads there will show you what I mean

The key thing is though that the R56 Dooper is more involving than the boring petrols, you actually have to drive it hard not just pop your nice lady shoes on the acelerator and go as you do on the petrol version.

mister.t · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:49 PM

Torque is everything in real world driving.

Paul · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:49 PM

I much prefer the S, but if I had to chose Cooper or Dooper, I'd go with the latter for sure.

ABG · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

Its not all about BHP you know

Sure you say that now you have a 218bhp MINI

I recon you want everyone else to get Cooper D's thinking they are the new performance car, so you can welly past them in your GP

On a more serious note I can see us getting a Cooper D at some stage

Hat · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

The key thing is though that the R56 Dooper is more involving than the boring petrols, you actually have to drive it hard not just pop your nice lady shoes on the acelerator and go as you do on the petrol version.

which is exactly what us R53 cooper drivers have been saying (quietly) for years.

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ABG (original)

Sure you say that now you have a 218bhp MINI

I recon you want everyone else to get Cooper D's thinking they are the new performance car, so you can welly past them in your GP

On a more serious note I can see us getting a Cooper D at some stage

If we hadn't already got an R56 MCS, I would have insisted on the Dooper instead, a far more enjoyable car

Can't blame you for considering it Andy

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hat (original)

which is exactly what us R53 cooper drivers have been saying (quietly) for years.

Yeah but the old Cooper is dull compared to an R53, so get back your box Patrick

But I guess part of was that some MCS used to drive it and abuse the instant power, where as some of us drove it like the Cooper owners drive theirs

No seriously, get to the dealership and try this, you'll love it, would make a great car for Steph

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

I much prefer the S, but if I had to chose Cooper or Dooper, I'd go with the latter for sure.

Really?

Can't believe you, yes its got bags more pull and power, but its so dull to drive, its like driving a jag, great for old folks and ladies

For me the diesel gave me what was missing the interaction with the car, the need to think about what you are doing, which gear you are in etc.

Hat · Apr 15th, 2007, 06:55 PM

it'd be a consideration for me if it comes with an auto box

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 07:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hat (original)

it'd be a consideration for me if it comes with an auto box

That would take the fun out of it, seriously you don't hit that rev limiter as fast or easy as the old OneD, and that doesn't mean that its slow getting to the revs in speed sense, its just got more grunt.

Paul · Apr 15th, 2007, 07:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

Really?

Can't believe you, yes its got bags more pull and power, but its so dull to drive, its like driving a jag, great for old folks and ladies

For me the diesel gave me what was missing the interaction with the car, the need to think about what you are doing, which gear you are in etc.

Latter, as in Dooper.

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 07:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

Latter, as in Dooper.

Thought you said you'd prefer the S, or did you mean the R53 S?

If thats the case, of course the R53 MCS would get my vote out of the two for audible pleasure reason, but if I need to buy a brand new MINI now, I'd not hesitate getting the Dooper

Paul · Apr 15th, 2007, 07:06 PM

I prefer either S to the Dooper, but the Dooper over the new Cooper.

peter1201 · Apr 15th, 2007, 07:06 PM

Went into Mini Heathrow yesterday and they had a PW/B D. The ever helpful Stewart let me have a quick drive and I have to say - impressed. Couldn't really try it out because it was too short and the car only had 6.9 miles on the clock :-), but very impressed - not noisy at all and once it gets going it really does pull.

But.....still can't take the plunge into R56 ownership. My MCS is 3 in July and I would normally change it....but not for the R56 as it is now. The R56 has lost the the Mini spirit, it's just not special any more If Mini do something about the rear of the S, then maybe, but there is no way it gets my money with the chav halfords silencer or the 4 x 4 Panda looks at the rear.

If I have to, it's the D for me.......but think I'll be keeping the MCS for now, in the hope Mini do somthing...... please ......... oh and why do I HAVE to have the white dash edging if I have tan leather ....??? eugh

Rakey · Apr 15th, 2007, 07:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original)

I prefer either S to the Dooper, but the Dooper over the new Cooper.

Ok, understand you now

Apr 15th, 2007, 03:47 PM	#1
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	So who has driven it? Well I couldn't help myself, and I was rather hoping to get a drive of it before I drove home in the GP I picked up yesterday The car I drove had no Sport suspension, which was a shame, as to me this was the only thing that let it down. I was so impressed with how it pulled, the torque, the power, the fact I could get teh DSC light flashing I have been warned by someone that I would like it, as it was far more involving than the petrol Cooper and MCS, and I recon it would give an old MCS a run for its money no problem It would actually make sense as a second car for me, and if I feel I need that second motor which is more practical later in the year then this could be it, as I'm still not a fan of the drive of the R56 petrol cars, but this for me was more of what is missing from the others. Its very involving, and not in a tiring way that I always felt the OneD was. Oh and the engine noise, no worse than some of the petrol R56's I've driven Its only a forum you know!

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) I have. yeah well we knew you had, I meant real punters Its only a forum you know!

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 5,210 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) I have been warned by someone that I would like it, as it was far more involving than the petrol Cooper and MCS, and I recon it would give an old MCS a run for its money no problem Yeah right! I am it is a great car and will have great in gear pull, but surely can't be a match for a car with almost 60% more BHP. Red/Black R56 Cooper

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) Yeah right! I am it is a great car and will have great in gear pull, but surely can't be a match for a car with almost 60% more BHP. Its not all about BHP you know Torque is your friend, not BHP. I mean next you'll be saying that its all about engine size, a 1.6ltr One (old gen), a 1.6ltr Cooper, a 1.6ltr MCS, a 1.6ltr JCW, a 1.6ltr GP, all are different Sorry to say it but the R56 Dooper is as spirited to drive as the R53 MCS, if you don't believe it then get yourself over to Ireland in May and I am sure a couple of the lads there will show you what I mean The key thing is though that the R56 Dooper is more involving than the boring petrols, you actually have to drive it hard not just pop your nice lady shoes on the acelerator and go as you do on the petrol version. Its only a forum you know!

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Apr 15th, 2007, 04:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
Robboc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Epsom, Surrey Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 286 Offline	I popped into Cooper Tadworth yesterday as they had a demo day for the new D. As I was leaving I saw a woman being handed the keys and starting up her new Cooper S. I couldnt help but chuckle to myself as when she turned the key it sounded worse than the diesel version. I would have been so angry if i was her. What is it with these new petrol engines? Oh I didnt try the new D out Rakey as my wife used up all our time looking at a little orange Cooper Cabrio.

Apr 15th, 2007, 05:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	I have.

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	I much prefer the S, but if I had to chose Cooper or Dooper, I'd go with the latter for sure.

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
ABG Yatta!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 8,434 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) Its not all about BHP you know Sure you say that now you have a 218bhp MINI I recon you want everyone else to get Cooper D's thinking they are the new performance car, so you can welly past them in your GP On a more serious note I can see us getting a Cooper D at some stage

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 15,800 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) The key thing is though that the R56 Dooper is more involving than the boring petrols, you actually have to drive it hard not just pop your nice lady shoes on the acelerator and go as you do on the petrol version. which is exactly what us R53 cooper drivers have been saying (quietly) for years.

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ABG (original) Sure you say that now you have a 218bhp MINI I recon you want everyone else to get Cooper D's thinking they are the new performance car, so you can welly past them in your GP On a more serious note I can see us getting a Cooper D at some stage If we hadn't already got an R56 MCS, I would have insisted on the Dooper instead, a far more enjoyable car Can't blame you for considering it Andy Its only a forum you know!

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hat (original) which is exactly what us R53 cooper drivers have been saying (quietly) for years. Yeah but the old Cooper is dull compared to an R53, so get back your box Patrick But I guess part of was that some MCS used to drive it and abuse the instant power, where as some of us drove it like the Cooper owners drive theirs No seriously, get to the dealership and try this, you'll love it, would make a great car for Steph Its only a forum you know!

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) I much prefer the S, but if I had to chose Cooper or Dooper, I'd go with the latter for sure. Really? Can't believe you, yes its got bags more pull and power, but its so dull to drive, its like driving a jag, great for old folks and ladies For me the diesel gave me what was missing the interaction with the car, the need to think about what you are doing, which gear you are in etc. Its only a forum you know!

Apr 15th, 2007, 06:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
Hat cook pass babtridge My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 15,800 Offline	it'd be a consideration for me if it comes with an auto box

Apr 15th, 2007, 07:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hat (original) it'd be a consideration for me if it comes with an auto box That would take the fun out of it, seriously you don't hit that rev limiter as fast or easy as the old OneD, and that doesn't mean that its slow getting to the revs in speed sense, its just got more grunt. Its only a forum you know!

Apr 15th, 2007, 07:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) Really? Can't believe you, yes its got bags more pull and power, but its so dull to drive, its like driving a jag, great for old folks and ladies For me the diesel gave me what was missing the interaction with the car, the need to think about what you are doing, which gear you are in etc. Latter, as in Dooper.

Apr 15th, 2007, 07:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) Latter, as in Dooper. Thought you said you'd prefer the S, or did you mean the R53 S? If thats the case, of course the R53 MCS would get my vote out of the two for audible pleasure reason, but if I need to buy a brand new MINI now, I'd not hesitate getting the Dooper Its only a forum you know!

Apr 15th, 2007, 07:06 PM	#18 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	I prefer either S to the Dooper, but the Dooper over the new Cooper.

Apr 15th, 2007, 07:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
peter1201 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 31 Offline	Went into Mini Heathrow yesterday and they had a PW/B D. The ever helpful Stewart let me have a quick drive and I have to say - impressed. Couldn't really try it out because it was too short and the car only had 6.9 miles on the clock :-), but very impressed - not noisy at all and once it gets going it really does pull. But.....still can't take the plunge into R56 ownership. My MCS is 3 in July and I would normally change it....but not for the R56 as it is now. The R56 has lost the the Mini spirit, it's just not special any more If Mini do something about the rear of the S, then maybe, but there is no way it gets my money with the chav halfords silencer or the 4 x 4 Panda looks at the rear. If I have to, it's the D for me.......but think I'll be keeping the MCS for now, in the hope Mini do somthing...... please ......... oh and why do I HAVE to have the white dash edging if I have tan leather ....??? eugh

Apr 15th, 2007, 07:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 03:46 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett (original) I prefer either S to the Dooper, but the Dooper over the new Cooper. Ok, understand you now Its only a forum you know!

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