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juliarno · Sep 15th, 2007, 12:17 PM

THE BEST UPGRADE IVE BOUGHT FOR MY DOOPER
IS A BOSCH APPROVED RE-MAP
35 BHP
FANTASTIC MID RANGE PUNCH
GTI SPRINT
AND ONLY £175 FROM REEDLEY SERVICE CENTRE
NELSON ..
MAKE SURE I U GET IT DONE THEY ARE BOSCH AGENTS ..JULIAN

dalboyne · Sep 17th, 2007, 08:19 PM

Aha - this sounds just the news I've been waiting for!

What's the downside? Is there one?

Ian

CC07ERS · Sep 17th, 2007, 08:26 PM

Have you had the car dynoed since the remap?

juliarno · Sep 18th, 2007, 02:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dalboyne (original)

Aha - this sounds just the news I've been waiting for!

What's the downside? Is there one?

Ian

just one .............. the guy in the basic cooper petrol frothing at the mouth ..lol

ALD0 · Sep 18th, 2007, 04:40 PM

LOL-You on commission from this company?!

ONED · Sep 28th, 2007, 07:14 AM

Sounds Too good to be true!?

But interested, wonder if any of the Bosch agents over here can do it for that sort of money?

Yellow/Black OneD · Sep 28th, 2007, 07:23 AM

I don't know, you Dooper guys are never satisfied!!

andrewcregan · Sep 28th, 2007, 08:11 AM

Quote:

What's the downside? Is there one?

Wouldn't the warranty on the engine become invalid?

ALD0 · Sep 28th, 2007, 09:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by andrewcregan (original)

Wouldn't the warranty on the engine become invalid?

It does, never stopped me though when I got my previous ONE D tuned by 'West Tuning' !

Yellow/Black OneD · Sep 28th, 2007, 11:12 AM

Just pray it doesn't break!

McMuffin · Sep 28th, 2007, 11:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by dalboyne (original)

Aha - this sounds just the news I've been waiting for!

What's the downside? Is there one?

Ian

Tuning a diesel is mainly about chucking more fuel in, the down sides are likely to be increased fuel consumption and clouds of black smoke during accel.

Can also cause the turbo to spin outside it's normal range which could cause warranty issues.
But hay, same can be said for most types of tuning during the warranty period

ALD0 · Sep 28th, 2007, 12:25 PM

Mine chucked out a hell of alot of black smoke when turbo was going, so dunno how the MOT for the new owner will go. Also it will lower the life of the car.
When I got my re map done I was told it would be very hard to tell the difference in figures on a computer, they would know it has been re mapped due to the black smoke though!

mel deabreu · Sep 28th, 2007, 01:04 PM

I used to own a diesel clio and that kicked out loads of black smoke when accelrating hard. that hadn't been tuned either.

i think you will find black smoke is very common on all diesels, especially as they get older.

ALD0 · Sep 28th, 2007, 01:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mel deabreu (original)

I used to own a diesel clio and that kicked out loads of black smoke when accelrating hard. that hadn't been tuned either.

i think you will find black smoke is very common on all diesels, especially as they get older.

The common rail diesels should hardly smoke at all, thats why you find the Emission bandings being so low!
If you Clio was a fairly old car, yes they do smoke alot as the engines were not common rail back inthe ealry 90's.

R99 · Sep 28th, 2007, 02:21 PM

R.E the ONE D and tuning..... is there anyway to reduce black smoke after it has been remapped? Or is it just something you have to live with if you want the extra juice?

The idea of loads of smoke is the only thing putting me off having mine fiddled with.

James.

Harpo · Sep 29th, 2007, 11:55 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by R99 (original)

...just something you have to live with if you want the extra juice?

James.

You don't have to live with it at all.

The bloke behind is the one that has to live with it!

dalboyne · Sep 29th, 2007, 04:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by juliarno (original)

just one .............. the guy in the basic cooper petrol frothing at the mouth ..lol

Now you have been running for a while with the upgrade, how about an update? Do you chuck out the smokescreen others are talking about? And what has it done to your economy?

Ian

R99 · Sep 29th, 2007, 08:59 PM

I saw this car at the weekend on the Lancs lanes run, I didnt see any black smoke coming from it at all. Mind you I was a few cars behind.

R99 · Sep 29th, 2007, 09:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Harpo (original)

You don't have to live with it at all.

The bloke behind is the one that has to live with it!

Good point!

McMuffin · Sep 30th, 2007, 04:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by R99 (original)

I saw this car at the weekend on the Lancs lanes run, I didnt see any black smoke coming from it at all. Mind you I was a few cars behind.

I said likely side effect.
Generally there are 2 particular maps that limit diesel performance.
The torque limitation map (used to limit maximum torque to match drivetrain durability)
The smoke limitation map (as it says on the tin)

At lower altitudes the torque limitation map normally comes into play first, it's possible the smoke map has not been changed.

Common rail improves combustion because the fuel is at a very high pressure so when it is injected it atomises into a finer spray.
Older diesel cars, even common rail can smoke due to wear and/or carbon deposit build up causing slight changes to injected fuel quantity and the way the fuel atomises.

I didn't mention drivetrain durability before as it's the same for any type of tuning, the more torque and power the more stress on components like the gear box etc. of course most manufactures intend a durability of 100,000 miles for this type of component and set the torque limitation accordingly.

It's a long time ago since I had anything to do with diesel calibration but I think that is all correct.

Hope that's helpful

Mark

Sep 15th, 2007, 12:17 PM	#1
juliarno juliarno My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2007 Local Time: 02:33 PM Posts: 9 Offline	Faster Cooper D ....... Cooper D/s THE BEST UPGRADE IVE BOUGHT FOR MY DOOPER IS A BOSCH APPROVED RE-MAP 35 BHP FANTASTIC MID RANGE PUNCH GTI SPRINT AND ONLY £175 FROM REEDLEY SERVICE CENTRE NELSON .. MAKE SURE I U GET IT DONE THEY ARE BOSCH AGENTS ..JULIAN

Sep 18th, 2007, 02:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
juliarno juliarno My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2007 Local Time: 02:33 PM Posts: 9 Offline	downside......? Quote: Originally Posted by dalboyne (original) Aha - this sounds just the news I've been waiting for! What's the downside? Is there one? Ian just one .............. the guy in the basic cooper petrol frothing at the mouth ..lol

Sep 28th, 2007, 02:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
R99 MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Lakes Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 1,445 Offline	R.E the ONE D and tuning..... is there anyway to reduce black smoke after it has been remapped? Or is it just something you have to live with if you want the extra juice? The idea of loads of smoke is the only thing putting me off having mine fiddled with. James. ::.. 2006 MINI ONE D now with added Aero Kit ..:: --- MT ---

Sep 29th, 2007, 11:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
Harpo Havin' fun... My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: ...on the run. Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 4,546 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by R99 (original) ...just something you have to live with if you want the extra juice? James. You don't have to live with it at all. The bloke behind is the one that has to live with it! The Return of The Ridgeway - Sunday May 25th 2008 The Arctic Circle Run - Summer 2008

Sep 29th, 2007, 08:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
R99 MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Lakes Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 1,445 Offline	I saw this car at the weekend on the Lancs lanes run, I didnt see any black smoke coming from it at all. Mind you I was a few cars behind. ::.. 2006 MINI ONE D now with added Aero Kit ..:: --- MT ---

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Sep 17th, 2007, 08:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
dalboyne Impatient for R57! My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 04:33 PM Posts: 1,612 Online	Aha - this sounds just the news I've been waiting for! What's the downside? Is there one? Ian

Sep 17th, 2007, 08:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
CC07ERS TYPE R GT VTEC POWERED My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Type R GT Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 2,743 Offline	Have you had the car dynoed since the remap?

Sep 18th, 2007, 04:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master <div><a href= Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 9,445 Offline	LOL-You on commission from this company?!

Sep 28th, 2007, 07:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
ONED SUCKIN DIESEL!!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ballydung Manor ! Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 7,484 Offline	Sounds Too good to be true!? But interested, wonder if any of the Bosch agents over here can do it for that sort of money?

Sep 28th, 2007, 07:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
Yellow/Black OneD Clubman D Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Staffordshire Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 1,316 Offline	I don't know, you Dooper guys are never satisfied!!

Sep 28th, 2007, 08:11 AM	#8 (permalink)
andrewcregan Andrew ATC Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cheshire Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 634 Offline	Quote: What's the downside? Is there one? Wouldn't the warranty on the engine become invalid?

Sep 28th, 2007, 09:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master <div><a href= Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 9,445 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by andrewcregan (original) Wouldn't the warranty on the engine become invalid? It does, never stopped me though when I got my previous ONE D tuned by 'West Tuning' !

Sep 28th, 2007, 11:12 AM	#10 (permalink)
Yellow/Black OneD Clubman D Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Staffordshire Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 1,316 Offline	Just pray it doesn't break!

Sep 28th, 2007, 11:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
McMuffin Fighting the Dark side Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Luton Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 116 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by dalboyne (original) Aha - this sounds just the news I've been waiting for! What's the downside? Is there one? Ian Tuning a diesel is mainly about chucking more fuel in, the down sides are likely to be increased fuel consumption and clouds of black smoke during accel. Can also cause the turbo to spin outside it's normal range which could cause warranty issues. But hay, same can be said for most types of tuning during the warranty period

Sep 28th, 2007, 12:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master <div><a href= Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 9,445 Offline	Mine chucked out a hell of alot of black smoke when turbo was going, so dunno how the MOT for the new owner will go. Also it will lower the life of the car. When I got my re map done I was told it would be very hard to tell the difference in figures on a computer, they would know it has been re mapped due to the black smoke though!

Sep 28th, 2007, 01:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
mel deabreu MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Jersey Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 43 Offline	I used to own a diesel clio and that kicked out loads of black smoke when accelrating hard. that hadn't been tuned either. i think you will find black smoke is very common on all diesels, especially as they get older.

Sep 28th, 2007, 01:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master <div><a href= Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 9,445 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mel deabreu (original) I used to own a diesel clio and that kicked out loads of black smoke when accelrating hard. that hadn't been tuned either. i think you will find black smoke is very common on all diesels, especially as they get older. The common rail diesels should hardly smoke at all, thats why you find the Emission bandings being so low! If you Clio was a fairly old car, yes they do smoke alot as the engines were not common rail back inthe ealry 90's.

Sep 29th, 2007, 04:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
dalboyne Impatient for R57! My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Luxembourg Local Time: 04:33 PM Posts: 1,612 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by juliarno (original) just one .............. the guy in the basic cooper petrol frothing at the mouth ..lol Now you have been running for a while with the upgrade, how about an update? Do you chuck out the smokescreen others are talking about? And what has it done to your economy? Ian

Sep 29th, 2007, 09:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
R99 MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Lakes Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 1,445 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Harpo (original) You don't have to live with it at all. The bloke behind is the one that has to live with it! Good point! ::.. 2006 MINI ONE D now with added Aero Kit ..:: --- MT ---

Sep 30th, 2007, 04:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
McMuffin Fighting the Dark side Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Luton Local Time: 03:33 PM Posts: 116 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by R99 (original) I saw this car at the weekend on the Lancs lanes run, I didnt see any black smoke coming from it at all. Mind you I was a few cars behind. I said likely side effect. Generally there are 2 particular maps that limit diesel performance. The torque limitation map (used to limit maximum torque to match drivetrain durability) The smoke limitation map (as it says on the tin) At lower altitudes the torque limitation map normally comes into play first, it's possible the smoke map has not been changed. Common rail improves combustion because the fuel is at a very high pressure so when it is injected it atomises into a finer spray. Older diesel cars, even common rail can smoke due to wear and/or carbon deposit build up causing slight changes to injected fuel quantity and the way the fuel atomises. I didn't mention drivetrain durability before as it's the same for any type of tuning, the more torque and power the more stress on components like the gear box etc. of course most manufactures intend a durability of 100,000 miles for this type of component and set the torque limitation accordingly. It's a long time ago since I had anything to do with diesel calibration but I think that is all correct. Hope that's helpful Mark

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