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Wipeout · Oct 9th, 2007, 10:34 AM

Hi,

I rejected a Cooper S earlier this year as I had a 1960's like tractor engine and clutch/gearbox, and numerous other minor faults.

I could live with the minor faults, but not he major mechanical issues. Is the Dooper better in this respect, or if I have a lack of patience with new cars going wrong should I avoid it.

Any other owners who have rejected a Cooper S, and have now bought a Cooper D and are happy?

WipeOut

Paul · Oct 9th, 2007, 11:00 AM

The Dooper has a more proven engine in it in terms of it's been around in various guises for much longer than the engine in the S. Cant say much more beyond that really.

ALD0 · Oct 9th, 2007, 11:31 AM

All reports I have read from Cooper D Drivers are good, New S drivers mixed...

ASTON · Oct 10th, 2007, 06:55 AM

Having owned both,i can say the Dooper is the better car. I had a R56 cooper S for 3months and done 3000 mile in which time the thing fell to bits.I couldnt wait to get rid of it. Now been running the Dooper since may,over 5000 miles now and no problems to report.

Jase-the-ace · Oct 12th, 2007, 12:32 PM

I'm in the same position as Aston - had Cooper S from launch and it was the worst MINI I've had. Loads of concerns and re-visit to factory but had to change to Dooper because of job change. Done nearly 9000miles since May now and despite the minor re-calls from MINI (dont mind these) I've been very happy with it. Fantastic on the fuel!

iain cooper · Oct 14th, 2007, 07:56 PM

I had thoughts of maybe next year upgrading my cooper to an S, but after reading some of these posts I may just upgrade to a dooper !!

I wonder if the dooper will be the demiss of the S ? or do you think there will be still a market for the S ? and what kind of person would go for an S over a dooper ?

KenL · Oct 14th, 2007, 08:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by iain cooper (original)

I wonder if the dooper will be the demiss of the S ? or do you think there will be still a market for the S ? and what kind of person would go for an S over a dooper ?

They are at opposite ends of the model spectrum, are they not?

S offers performance whereas a diesel offers economy, I do not see the S losing popularity.

ASTON · Oct 14th, 2007, 09:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original)

They are at opposite ends of the model spectrum, are they not?

S offers performance whereas a diesel offers economy, I do not see the S losing popularity.

we might when fuel gets over £1.50 a litre

ALD0 · Oct 15th, 2007, 07:50 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ASTON (original)

we might when fuel gets over £1.50 a litre

I think their will be a big revolt before that happens!

ASTON · Oct 15th, 2007, 09:11 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original)

I think their will be a big revolt before that happens!

i don't think so mate. the British people will not stand up and be counted

we should be more like the french

back in 2000 petrol was 80p a litre and we had fuel blockads,its now over a £1 a litre here in wales and nobody give a Pooh about it

We just pay up

ALD0 · Oct 15th, 2007, 11:34 AM

True, and Derv is more expensive then petrol now isn't it?

Blanche · Nov 25th, 2007, 07:00 PM

just about to sign on the line for a dooper chillie pack and some more extra sunroof heated seats piano black trim black rear tint rain sensor visibility pack.car colour astro black .rain sensor.my have parking senor for the rear ..going to get ipod lead fitted else were.was told just need a lead to plug it in .

Yoastie · Nov 25th, 2007, 08:29 PM

@Blanche:

Very close to the spec I'll be going for, so good choices!

In terms of iPod: There is an Aux socket (you'll just need the £4.00 lead), but the iPod connector gives all the track information on the radio display and allows you to control the 'Pod through the radio controls - it just depends on whether you reckon you listen enough to music I guess (to spend the additional £296 ).

Something you may want to consider, however, is the multifunction steering wheel. I have had this on a couple of cars now (not MINI - please don't tell anyone here...) and absolutely love the fact that turning down the noise when traffic builds up is so easy. Again personal choice, though.

kertjycoth · Nov 25th, 2007, 09:19 PM

I owned a Cooper S from May 2006 until 4 weeks ago. It was faultless for me in 26k miles. I loved it.

I now own a D and it really is very good indeed and rather swift in practical motoring terms, unless of course you do all your driving from a standing start.

Refilling the tank?? .......Oh yes I have done that...err rarely.

Wipeout · Nov 26th, 2007, 10:47 AM

I've had the Cooper D for a few days now, and so far so good. 400 miles of daily driving in to London, returning an unbelievable 60mpg! I don't miss Cooper S, the Cooper D is plenty fast enough for me. A far better car than the 118d I tried.

The car is very good, and no reason to return to the dealer but a few observations.

I choose 15" wheels as I wanted a better ride, but road noise is bad on some road surfaces. Anyone else suffering road noise.
Anyone else have the cooling fan kick in mysteriously, happened last night after a gentle drive in cold outside temperature? Sounds like a leaf blower.

Otherwise I am very happy with the car.

WipeOut

Paul c · Nov 26th, 2007, 11:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by iain cooper (original)

I had thoughts of maybe next year upgrading my cooper to an S, but after reading some of these posts I may just upgrade to a dooper !!

I wonder if the dooper will be the demiss of the S ? or do you think there will be still a market for the S ? and what kind of person would go for an S over a dooper ?

Ive had my R56 Cooper S for 7 trouble free months...........its wicked

Stiggy · Nov 26th, 2007, 01:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Wipeout (original)

The car is very good, and no reason to return to the dealer but a few observations.

I choose 15" wheels as I wanted a better ride, but road noise is bad on some road surfaces. Anyone else suffering road noise.
Anyone else have the cooling fan kick in mysteriously, happened last night after a gentle drive in cold outside temperature? Sounds like a leaf blower.

I too chose 15" wheels specifically for ride, and I'm pleased with it. The road noise seems OK to me.
Yes, I've had the fan come on once when I parked, and it did seem loud! it hasn't done it since. Reading around here it's notjing to worry about.

Bacnka · Nov 26th, 2007, 01:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggy (original)

I too chose 15" wheels specifically for ride, and I'm pleased with it. The road noise seems OK to me.
Yes, I've had the fan come on once when I parked, and it did seem loud! it hasn't done it since. Reading around here it's notjing to worry about.

Sorry for being naive but why does having 15" wheels make the ride any better?

Wipeout · Nov 26th, 2007, 02:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Bacnka (original)

Sorry for being naive but why does having 15" wheels make the ride any better?

Not run flat, so softer tire wall.
Higher profile so more flex in tire wall.
Less unsprung mass, so suspension can better respond to bumps

15" wheels also enjoy:

Less rotational mass, so easier to accelerate, brake and steer.

Stiggy · Nov 26th, 2007, 03:04 PM

... and cheaper to replace!

Oct 9th, 2007, 10:34 AM	#1
Wipeout MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 32 Offline	Dooper more reliable than Cooper S? Hi, I rejected a Cooper S earlier this year as I had a 1960's like tractor engine and clutch/gearbox, and numerous other minor faults. I could live with the minor faults, but not he major mechanical issues. Is the Dooper better in this respect, or if I have a lack of patience with new cars going wrong should I avoid it. Any other owners who have rejected a Cooper S, and have now bought a Cooper D and are happy? WipeOut

Oct 12th, 2007, 12:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jase-the-ace MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Solihull, Birmingham Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 26 Offline	I'm in the same position as Aston - had Cooper S from launch and it was the worst MINI I've had. Loads of concerns and re-visit to factory but had to change to Dooper because of job change. Done nearly 9000miles since May now and despite the minor re-calls from MINI (dont mind these) I've been very happy with it. Fantastic on the fuel! Flame Red Classic Cooper / Pepper White Cooper D (NEW MINI No.6!)

Oct 14th, 2007, 08:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 5,203 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by iain cooper (original) I wonder if the dooper will be the demiss of the S ? or do you think there will be still a market for the S ? and what kind of person would go for an S over a dooper ? They are at opposite ends of the model spectrum, are they not? S offers performance whereas a diesel offers economy, I do not see the S losing popularity. Red/Black R56 Cooper Last edited by KenL : Oct 14th, 2007 at 08:32 PM. Reason: typing

Nov 26th, 2007, 10:47 AM	#15 (permalink)
Wipeout MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 32 Offline	I've had the Cooper D for a few days now, and so far so good. 400 miles of daily driving in to London, returning an unbelievable 60mpg! I don't miss Cooper S, the Cooper D is plenty fast enough for me. A far better car than the 118d I tried. The car is very good, and no reason to return to the dealer but a few observations. I choose 15" wheels as I wanted a better ride, but road noise is bad on some road surfaces. Anyone else suffering road noise. Anyone else have the cooling fan kick in mysteriously, happened last night after a gentle drive in cold outside temperature? Sounds like a leaf blower. Otherwise I am very happy with the car. WipeOut

Nov 26th, 2007, 11:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
Paul c Essex MINI2er My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Essex MINI2er Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 421 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by iain cooper (original) I had thoughts of maybe next year upgrading my cooper to an S, but after reading some of these posts I may just upgrade to a dooper !! I wonder if the dooper will be the demiss of the S ? or do you think there will be still a market for the S ? and what kind of person would go for an S over a dooper ? Ive had my R56 Cooper S for 7 trouble free months...........its wicked EssexMini2 Website The ONLY Essex club Exclusively 4 New MINI's

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Oct 9th, 2007, 11:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 40,435 Offline	The Dooper has a more proven engine in it in terms of it's been around in various guises for much longer than the engine in the S. Cant say much more beyond that really.

Oct 9th, 2007, 11:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chester Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 9,421 Offline	All reports I have read from Cooper D Drivers are good, New S drivers mixed...

Oct 10th, 2007, 06:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
ASTON A mini is a way of life. My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: South Wales Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 2,747 Offline	Having owned both,i can say the Dooper is the better car. I had a R56 cooper S for 3months and done 3000 mile in which time the thing fell to bits.I couldnt wait to get rid of it. Now been running the Dooper since may,over 5000 miles now and no problems to report.

Oct 14th, 2007, 07:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
iain cooper MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: near Glasgow Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 266 Offline	I had thoughts of maybe next year upgrading my cooper to an S, but after reading some of these posts I may just upgrade to a dooper !! I wonder if the dooper will be the demiss of the S ? or do you think there will be still a market for the S ? and what kind of person would go for an S over a dooper ?

Oct 14th, 2007, 09:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
ASTON A mini is a way of life. My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: South Wales Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 2,747 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL (original) They are at opposite ends of the model spectrum, are they not? S offers performance whereas a diesel offers economy, I do not see the S losing popularity. we might when fuel gets over £1.50 a litre

Oct 15th, 2007, 07:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chester Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 9,421 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ASTON (original) we might when fuel gets over £1.50 a litre I think their will be a big revolt before that happens!

Oct 15th, 2007, 09:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
ASTON A mini is a way of life. My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: South Wales Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 2,747 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ALD0 (original) I think their will be a big revolt before that happens! i don't think so mate. the British people will not stand up and be counted we should be more like the french back in 2000 petrol was 80p a litre and we had fuel blockads,its now over a £1 a litre here in wales and nobody give a Pooh about it We just pay up

Oct 15th, 2007, 11:34 AM	#11 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chester Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 9,421 Offline	True, and Derv is more expensive then petrol now isn't it?

Nov 25th, 2007, 07:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Blanche MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sunny Dorset Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 73 Offline	just about to sign on the line for a dooper chillie pack and some more extra sunroof heated seats piano black trim black rear tint rain sensor visibility pack.car colour astro black .rain sensor.my have parking senor for the rear ..going to get ipod lead fitted else were.was told just need a lead to plug it in .

Nov 25th, 2007, 08:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Yoastie MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 184 Offline	@Blanche: Very close to the spec I'll be going for, so good choices! In terms of iPod: There is an Aux socket (you'll just need the £4.00 lead), but the iPod connector gives all the track information on the radio display and allows you to control the 'Pod through the radio controls - it just depends on whether you reckon you listen enough to music I guess (to spend the additional £296 ). Something you may want to consider, however, is the multifunction steering wheel. I have had this on a couple of cars now (not MINI - please don't tell anyone here...) and absolutely love the fact that turning down the noise when traffic builds up is so easy. Again personal choice, though.

Nov 25th, 2007, 09:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
kertjycoth miniconvert Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Cumbria Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 47 Offline	I owned a Cooper S from May 2006 until 4 weeks ago. It was faultless for me in 26k miles. I loved it. I now own a D and it really is very good indeed and rather swift in practical motoring terms, unless of course you do all your driving from a standing start. Refilling the tank?? .......Oh yes I have done that...err rarely.

Nov 26th, 2007, 01:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
Stiggy Automatic for the People Join Date: Aug 2007 Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 373 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Wipeout (original) The car is very good, and no reason to return to the dealer but a few observations. I choose 15" wheels as I wanted a better ride, but road noise is bad on some road surfaces. Anyone else suffering road noise. Anyone else have the cooling fan kick in mysteriously, happened last night after a gentle drive in cold outside temperature? Sounds like a leaf blower. I too chose 15" wheels specifically for ride, and I'm pleased with it. The road noise seems OK to me. Yes, I've had the fan come on once when I parked, and it did seem loud! it hasn't done it since. Reading around here it's notjing to worry about.

Nov 26th, 2007, 01:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bacnka Still Dreaming Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 31 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggy (original) I too chose 15" wheels specifically for ride, and I'm pleased with it. The road noise seems OK to me. Yes, I've had the fan come on once when I parked, and it did seem loud! it hasn't done it since. Reading around here it's notjing to worry about. Sorry for being naive but why does having 15" wheels make the ride any better?

Nov 26th, 2007, 02:30 PM	#19 (permalink)
Wipeout MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 32 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Bacnka (original) Sorry for being naive but why does having 15" wheels make the ride any better? Not run flat, so softer tire wall. Higher profile so more flex in tire wall. Less unsprung mass, so suspension can better respond to bumps 15" wheels also enjoy: Less rotational mass, so easier to accelerate, brake and steer.

Nov 26th, 2007, 03:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
Stiggy Automatic for the People Join Date: Aug 2007 Local Time: 06:00 AM Posts: 373 Offline	... and cheaper to replace!

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