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MiniAry · Apr 9th, 2006, 06:04 PM

personnally i think its going to take away from its character when they add the turbo charger. BUT, when i think about how cool its going to sound when the blow off valve kicks in, i get alittle excited.

minigolf · Apr 10th, 2006, 06:09 AM

No, because there will be turbo whistle instead.

BOVs that are too loud can be a bit ricey IMO, but a whistling turbo is every bit as good as a whiny supercharger.

stephen orford · Apr 10th, 2006, 06:22 AM

Yes I will miss the whine. I think that BMW are making a mistake by going down the turbo charger path for the following reasons.
1. The supercharger prevents "lag" on take off and this will be more pronounced if they stay with the 1600cc format.
2. The Mini has been so successful because of its innovative design and use of the supercharger. If I had wanted a car that "blows of at high revs I would have purchased a WRX or a Nissan Skyline.I'm not into ricing !
3. BMW run the risk of loosing repeat customers like myself with this change. I have just ordered a Cooper S with the JC works factory fitted.

pocketrocketowner · Apr 10th, 2006, 01:35 PM

I will never miss the whine.....I will always own PKT RKT.......

ButtonIt · Apr 10th, 2006, 02:11 PM

Superchargers just reek of class

Superchargers are found on the most expensive Mercs, Jags and Range Rovers... they're fantastic creations.

Turbochargers can be found on Golfs, Lorries and Vans and yucky diesels.

Common as muck

pocketrocketowner · Apr 10th, 2006, 06:27 PM

Can't wait to look down my snobby nose to the poor suckers with diesel like turbos......

them guiys will practically be driving HGVs!

JDinho · Apr 10th, 2006, 06:43 PM

Superchargers are a signal of class... MCS

, VW Golf G60

, Koenigsegg CC8S

Irlmin · Apr 10th, 2006, 06:52 PM

Yes I think most people will miss the Whine of the supercharger , As regards 'turbo lag' it is almost a thing of the past with the new generation of twin scroll turbos , so I think we should be more positive looking ahead .
Gerard

Nev · Apr 10th, 2006, 07:43 PM

I will miss the supercharge whine, but I am confident BMW will come up with turbo sound that will be equally as beguiling.

Merc are apparently phasing out superchargers for a new generation of Turbo engines.

rene_73 · Apr 10th, 2006, 07:52 PM

I don't think the mini will get 2 turbo's 'cause that will be much too expensive, so the turbo lag will be very likely to be a new 'feature' of the coming mini. This turbo instead of supercharger is a real let-down to me. And I think a turbo won't make the same sound as a supercharger.

vw introduces a turbo+a supercharger with a 1.4 liter engine b.t.w.

PmP · Apr 10th, 2006, 08:03 PM

People will be putting dump valves on the next turbo charged mini!!

Personally I love the supercharger whine, but I think ultimately, the turbo maybe run more freely and be more efficient.

Irlmin · Apr 10th, 2006, 08:26 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rene_73

I don't think the mini will get 2 turbo's 'cause that will be much too expensive, so the turbo lag will be very likely to be a new 'feature' of the coming mini. This turbo instead of supercharger is a real let-down to me. And I think a turbo won't make the same sound as a supercharger.

vw introduces a turbo+a supercharger with a 1.4 liter engine b.t.w.

You misunderstand, 'twin scroll' is one turbo with 'devided inlet' housing which ensures a faster response and a minimal amount of 'lag' ,not 2 turbos ,
Gerard

ayde_bury · Apr 10th, 2006, 08:42 PM

Well I've only picket it up this morning, and already enjoyed 150 miles of supercharger wine - fantastic.

I suppose we can't really comment on the turbo until we hear one for real - so long as it doesn't sound like a truck struggling up a hill

SalemMINIDriver · Apr 10th, 2006, 09:25 PM

I too think that the move to a turbocharged engine is unfortunate. The only car I've driven which made 100+ HP/L via turbocharging was severely affected by turbo-lag, and was rather lifeless below 4000rpm.

Excessive BOV noise is NOT a good thing as far as I am concerned, and I'm sure that it will not be a feature of the new MINI if BMW hopes to attract mature (30+) buyers.

Rakey · Apr 10th, 2006, 10:26 PM

the supercharger is a nice feature on the MCS, but I don't doubt for a second that the new Turbo will be a great car, if not better than what we already have, why on earth would MINI risk loosing sales or making a crap car?

I know I won't miss the whine of those that keep bashing it and saying it won't be as good and that the Supercharger is what the S stands for

They'll have to eat their past posts one day when they order a turbo MINI

Themikanic · Apr 10th, 2006, 10:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

the supercharger is a nice feature on the MCS, but I don't doubt for a second that the new Turbo will be a great car, if not better than what we already have, why on earth would MINI risk loosing sales or making a crap car?

Economics!!!, why do you think it's only the better cars that use superchargers & the cheaper quality cars that use turbo's
Personally I won't be missing the Supercharger whine, because I have no intention of even considering selling my MCS for many years!!.
By the time I sell my car, we will be running on Hydrogen gas or Batteries

Mike in Australia.

minigolf · Apr 10th, 2006, 10:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

the supercharger is a nice feature on the MCS, but I don't doubt for a second that the new Turbo will be a great car, if not better than what we already have, why on earth would MINI risk loosing sales or making a crap car?

I know I won't miss the whine of those that keep bashing it and saying it won't be as good and that the Supercharger is what the S stands for

They'll have to eat their past posts one day when they order a turbo MINI

Agreed. The two engines will definitely have different characteristics, but I'd be very surprised if the turbo MINI is a dud.

I find the negativity towards turbos a bit odd to be honest. I wonder how many of these people have actually owned a modern turbo powered car? My previous car was a 2001 Mk4 1.8T GTI and I loved it's engine, and more importantly it's tuneability. The engine certainly wasn't one of the reasons I sold the car. In many ways it was the equal to the MINI engine, in some ways better, in some ways not, but certainly no worse when considered as on overall package (engine only I'm talking about here). I'd say the 2.0T in the Mk5 GTI is probably a better engine in some respects than the current Cooper S engine. The new Golf has bags more grunt that's for sure.

Naysayers continue to bury your head in the sand at your peril!

sfalcus · Apr 10th, 2006, 10:51 PM

it will also share its engine with the new peugeot 207 gti, i think its a mistake tbh

Jim Ray · Apr 10th, 2006, 11:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

the supercharger is a nice feature on the MCS, but I don't doubt for a second that the new Turbo will be a great car, if not better than what we already have, why on earth would MINI risk loosing sales or making a crap car?

I know I won't miss the whine of those that keep bashing it and saying it won't be as good and that the Supercharger is what the S stands for

They'll have to eat their past posts one day when they order a turbo MINI

Yep. And, S never stood for Supercharger anyway. I have no doubt the greater fuel economy of the waste heat recovery turbo will convert a lot of people. Perhaps it will be called the MCK for Kompressor.

minigolf · Apr 11th, 2006, 12:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by sfalcus

it will also share its engine with the new peugeot 207 gti, i think its a mistake tbh

Well, it's a step up from a Chrysler Neon don't you think.

Apr 9th, 2006, 06:04 PM	#1
MiniAry MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Local Time: 09:32 PM Posts: 7 Offline	is anyone going to miss the Cooper Supercharger Whine? personnally i think its going to take away from its character when they add the turbo charger. BUT, when i think about how cool its going to sound when the blow off valve kicks in, i get alittle excited.

Apr 10th, 2006, 06:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 02:32 PM Posts: 14,056 Offline	No, because there will be turbo whistle instead. BOVs that are too loud can be a bit ricey IMO, but a whistling turbo is every bit as good as a whiny supercharger. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Apr 10th, 2006, 06:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Irlmin Peoples Republic Of Cork Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cork Ireland Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 1,140 Offline	Yes I think most people will miss the Whine of the supercharger , As regards 'turbo lag' it is almost a thing of the past with the new generation of twin scroll turbos , so I think we should be more positive looking ahead . Gerard www.miniclub.ie

Apr 10th, 2006, 08:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
Irlmin Peoples Republic Of Cork Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cork Ireland Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 1,140 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rene_73 I don't think the mini will get 2 turbo's 'cause that will be much too expensive, so the turbo lag will be very likely to be a new 'feature' of the coming mini. This turbo instead of supercharger is a real let-down to me. And I think a turbo won't make the same sound as a supercharger. vw introduces a turbo+a supercharger with a 1.4 liter engine b.t.w. You misunderstand, 'twin scroll' is one turbo with 'devided inlet' housing which ensures a faster response and a minimal amount of 'lag' ,not 2 turbos , Gerard www.miniclub.ie

Apr 10th, 2006, 08:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
ayde_bury * Lab Rat * Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Suffolk, UK Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 405 Offline	Well I've only picket it up this morning, and already enjoyed 150 miles of supercharger wine - fantastic. I suppose we can't really comment on the turbo until we hear one for real - so long as it doesn't sound like a truck struggling up a hill Click to join us

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Apr 10th, 2006, 06:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
stephen orford MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2005 Local Time: 02:32 PM Posts: 109 Offline	Yes I will miss the whine. I think that BMW are making a mistake by going down the turbo charger path for the following reasons. 1. The supercharger prevents "lag" on take off and this will be more pronounced if they stay with the 1600cc format. 2. The Mini has been so successful because of its innovative design and use of the supercharger. If I had wanted a car that "blows of at high revs I would have purchased a WRX or a Nissan Skyline.I'm not into ricing ! 3. BMW run the risk of loosing repeat customers like myself with this change. I have just ordered a Cooper S with the JC works factory fitted.

Apr 10th, 2006, 01:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
pocketrocketowner Best Personal Regards Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ile de Vaux, France Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 2,037 Offline	I will never miss the whine.....I will always own PKT RKT.......

Apr 10th, 2006, 02:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
ButtonIt The Disorganiser My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Waiting for others Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 15,546 Offline	Superchargers just reek of class Superchargers are found on the most expensive Mercs, Jags and Range Rovers... they're fantastic creations. Turbochargers can be found on Golfs, Lorries and Vans and yucky diesels. Common as muck

Apr 10th, 2006, 06:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
pocketrocketowner Best Personal Regards Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ile de Vaux, France Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 2,037 Offline	Can't wait to look down my snobby nose to the poor suckers with diesel like turbos...... them guiys will practically be driving HGVs!

Apr 10th, 2006, 06:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
JDinho JCWaiting! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: W Sussex Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 273 Offline	Superchargers are a signal of class... MCS , VW Golf G60 , Koenigsegg CC8S

Apr 10th, 2006, 07:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Nev MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2004 Location: Surrey Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 685 Offline	I will miss the supercharge whine, but I am confident BMW will come up with turbo sound that will be equally as beguiling. Merc are apparently phasing out superchargers for a new generation of Turbo engines.

Apr 10th, 2006, 07:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
rene_73 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Local Time: 04:32 AM Posts: 14 Offline	I don't think the mini will get 2 turbo's 'cause that will be much too expensive, so the turbo lag will be very likely to be a new 'feature' of the coming mini. This turbo instead of supercharger is a real let-down to me. And I think a turbo won't make the same sound as a supercharger. vw introduces a turbo+a supercharger with a 1.4 liter engine b.t.w.

Apr 10th, 2006, 08:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
PmP GP 0380 My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Saintfield Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 2,676 Offline	People will be putting dump valves on the next turbo charged mini!! Personally I love the supercharger whine, but I think ultimately, the turbo maybe run more freely and be more efficient.

Apr 10th, 2006, 09:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
SalemMINIDriver MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Harpswell, ME Local Time: 12:32 AM Posts: 174 Offline	I too think that the move to a turbocharged engine is unfortunate. The only car I've driven which made 100+ HP/L via turbocharging was severely affected by turbo-lag, and was rather lifeless below 4000rpm. Excessive BOV noise is NOT a good thing as far as I am concerned, and I'm sure that it will not be a feature of the new MINI if BMW hopes to attract mature (30+) buyers.

Apr 10th, 2006, 10:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rakey knowing me, knowing you My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Norwich Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 50,610 Offline	the supercharger is a nice feature on the MCS, but I don't doubt for a second that the new Turbo will be a great car, if not better than what we already have, why on earth would MINI risk loosing sales or making a crap car? I know I won't miss the whine of those that keep bashing it and saying it won't be as good and that the Supercharger is what the S stands for They'll have to eat their past posts one day when they order a turbo MINI Its only a forum you know!

Apr 10th, 2006, 10:38 PM	#16 (permalink)
Themikanic Themikanic Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ballan, Victoria Local Time: 02:32 PM Posts: 235 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey the supercharger is a nice feature on the MCS, but I don't doubt for a second that the new Turbo will be a great car, if not better than what we already have, why on earth would MINI risk loosing sales or making a crap car? Economics!!!, why do you think it's only the better cars that use superchargers & the cheaper quality cars that use turbo's Personally I won't be missing the Supercharger whine, because I have no intention of even considering selling my MCS for many years!!. By the time I sell my car, we will be running on Hydrogen gas or Batteries Mike in Australia. 2005 JCW Mini Cooper S Chilli

Apr 10th, 2006, 10:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 02:32 PM Posts: 14,056 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey the supercharger is a nice feature on the MCS, but I don't doubt for a second that the new Turbo will be a great car, if not better than what we already have, why on earth would MINI risk loosing sales or making a crap car? I know I won't miss the whine of those that keep bashing it and saying it won't be as good and that the Supercharger is what the S stands for They'll have to eat their past posts one day when they order a turbo MINI Agreed. The two engines will definitely have different characteristics, but I'd be very surprised if the turbo MINI is a dud. I find the negativity towards turbos a bit odd to be honest. I wonder how many of these people have actually owned a modern turbo powered car? My previous car was a 2001 Mk4 1.8T GTI and I loved it's engine, and more importantly it's tuneability. The engine certainly wasn't one of the reasons I sold the car. In many ways it was the equal to the MINI engine, in some ways better, in some ways not, but certainly no worse when considered as on overall package (engine only I'm talking about here). I'd say the 2.0T in the Mk5 GTI is probably a better engine in some respects than the current Cooper S engine. The new Golf has bags more grunt that's for sure. Naysayers continue to bury your head in the sand at your peril! Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Apr 10th, 2006, 10:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
sfalcus MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Local Time: 05:32 AM Posts: 24 Offline	it will also share its engine with the new peugeot 207 gti, i think its a mistake tbh

Apr 10th, 2006, 11:28 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jim Ray AprilWhine's Fuzzy One Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the wind blows Local Time: 08:32 PM Posts: 1,547 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey the supercharger is a nice feature on the MCS, but I don't doubt for a second that the new Turbo will be a great car, if not better than what we already have, why on earth would MINI risk loosing sales or making a crap car? I know I won't miss the whine of those that keep bashing it and saying it won't be as good and that the Supercharger is what the S stands for They'll have to eat their past posts one day when they order a turbo MINI Yep. And, S never stood for Supercharger anyway. I have no doubt the greater fuel economy of the waste heat recovery turbo will convert a lot of people. Perhaps it will be called the MCK for Kompressor.

Apr 11th, 2006, 12:10 AM	#20 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 02:32 PM Posts: 14,056 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by sfalcus it will also share its engine with the new peugeot 207 gti, i think its a mistake tbh Well, it's a step up from a Chrysler Neon don't you think. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

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