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lunlun · Nov 22nd, 2006, 06:44 AM

my DSC always go on when i start from a complete stop in the rain.... and its annoying!!

my frd tells me to turn it off, but im scared it will cause safety hazard.

Mini Vikki · Nov 22nd, 2006, 07:04 AM

I turn it off occasionally when I'm in the mood for a bit of entertainment and its not likely to cause too many problems as long as you're careful.

Having said that - you may wish to check with your insurance company as we've heard very reliably that turning the traction control off may invalidate your insurance.

Our local dealer had an M3 written off and not covered by insurance when someone switched it off.

lunlun · Nov 22nd, 2006, 07:07 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mini Vikki (original)

I turn it off occasionally when I'm in the mood for a bit of entertainment and its not likely to cause too many problems as long as you're careful.

Having said that - you may wish to check with your insurance company as we've heard very reliably that turning the traction control off may invalidate your insurance.

Our local dealer had an M3 written off and not covered by insurance when someone switched it off.

How can they find out if someone turn it off???

and wut do u mean turn it off occasionally when I'm in the mood for a bit of entertainment ?

do u mean drifting??

i am new to manual, and i dont have any friends who drive manual,

you guys are my only help!! thank you alot!

thepharcyde · Nov 22nd, 2006, 09:28 AM

I always drive with mine off because another floor to the car is that it is too sensitive in the rain bordering on dangerous. When pulling away from a roundabout/junction it sometimes kicks in leaving you stranded onto incoming cars.

As regards invalidating you insurance this seems dubious.

Andy P · Nov 22nd, 2006, 09:30 AM

I only turn ours off when I want some fun, I find it OK in the rain just vary how much power you are trying to put down

thepharcyde · Nov 22nd, 2006, 09:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mini Vikki (original)

Our local dealer had an M3 written off and not covered by insurance when someone switched it off.

I find this hard to believe, being able to prove/own up does not add up. Someone has told porkies to you.

Richard Crofts · Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:05 AM

I used to regularly drive with it off in poor conditions as it was way too sensitive and just killed the power dead instead of feathering it. Since having my DME progrmming done due to a stumble in low revs the traction is a million times better...takes quite significant slippage to get it to kick in and it is far more progressive now so you just keep your foot buried and it sorts itself out and the power doesn't die it just diminishes a bit....fantastic. I will never switch mine off now, except if i went to the track or drag strip or really wanted to see what it can do off the line (oh an on the rolling road as it sets all the warning lights off otherwise

)

Will_'S' · Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:23 AM

The first thing i do when i get in car is flick the button of death

As above the DSC is way to sensitive more dangerous than anything, especially when performing over taking manouvers you need the traction and the DSC just isn't as effective as altering the throttle.. As for does it infringe insursance whose to know switche car off and as soon as it's it started the dsc back on again

PRESS THE DSC BUTTON

g_w_roberts · Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lunlun (original)

my DSC always go on when i start from a complete stop in the rain.... and its annoying!!

my frd tells me to turn it off, but im scared it will cause safety hazard.

in the rain is when you are most likely to need the DSC - i have spun a car which didnt have this in the wet and spinning at 50mph onto a dual carrigeway and ending up facing the wrong way is not fun - only reason it happened - wet + needed new tyres (didnt want to fork out for new tyres as trading car in against new mini in a few days!)

leave the DSC on unless you know what your doing or its is dry and quiet on the roads and you want to push your limits a bit.

russyellocoops · Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:56 AM

I thrash our cooper from the lights and you've really got to give it some to get DSC kicking in even when it's wet!

And it doesn't really kill the car like some people are describing!

Is it only an S problem?

g_w_roberts · Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:00 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by r&nyellocoops (original)

I thrash our cooper from the lights and you've really got to give it some to get DSC kicking in even when it's wet!

And it doesn't really kill the car like some people are describing!

Is it only an S problem?

not found it too much of a prob
just feather the throttle as if the wheels were spinning and you keep going
also kicks in when you put the throttle down at the apex of going round a roundabout - but just stops you going sideways

Will_'S' · Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:02 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by r&nyellocoops (original)

I thrash our cooper from the lights and you've really got to give it some to get DSC kicking in even when it's wet!

And it doesn't really kill the car like some people are describing!

Is it only an S problem?

Not sure depends on tyres its worse if you have run flats on, but i have been overtaking someone and lossed traction and it feels as if cars lossed all power

thats not safe just to sensitive for my liking.

Jon Chalk · Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by r&nyellocoops (original)

I thrash our cooper from the lights and you've really got to give it some to get DSC kicking in even when it's wet!

And it doesn't really kill the car like some people are describing!

Is it only an S problem?

Perhaps the LSD helps? I know I can't really get it to kick in on my Cooper either.

g_w_roberts · Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooperama (original)

Perhaps the LSD helps? I know I can't really get it to kick in on my Cooper either.

i dont have a LSD but i guess its how aggressive you are with acceleration as well - gradual squeezing on of power rather than dropping down 3 gears and slamming yopur foot?

Will_'S' · Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by g_w_roberts (original)

i dont have a LSD but i guess its how aggressive you are with acceleration as well - gradual squeezing on of power rather than dropping down 3 gears and slamming yopur foot?

i HAVE THE LSD IT MAKES IT A LITTLE TWITCHY UNDER HARD ACCELERATION IN THE WET BUT IT IS ALL ABOUT HOW YOU APPLY THE POWER, BUT SAYIN THAT I JOINED THE MOTORWAY THE OTHER DAY (VERY WET) CHANGING UP AT 3K NOT DRIVING HARD AND IT SPAN IN THE FIRST THREE GEARS WHICH I BLAME RUNFLATS FOR MORE THAN ANYTHING SO ITS ANNOYONG FOR ME TO HAVE THE DSC ON.

Jon Chalk · Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:34 AM

It sounds like it's more of an issue for "S"'s - obvious really given the much greater power and torque low down.

DaFlake · Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:40 PM

Nope, mine stays on now all the time.

cristo · Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:59 PM

Mine stays off all the time (since I don't have DSC in the first place).

minidonut · Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:02 PM

maybe you are acelerating too hard causing it to kick in after all its a safety feature which works

russ.mackay · Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:03 PM

I do find the DSC on my MCS a little intrusive in the wet. There is a t-junction I have to take a left at every day. It is uphill and a fast busy road so you need to get out quick. I find that wehn it is wet it doesn't take much for the DSC to kick in, trouble is it doesn't just reduce the power alittle bit to allow traction, it really bogs down, then gradually lets the power back in... not great. When I remember, I turn off dsc at this junction as the LSD seems to work much better without it. I find that with DSC on it kicks in before the LSD has a chance to do its thing.

Overall, I think DSC is a good thing, I just think it could do with being less intrusive on take-off.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 06:44 AM	#1
lunlun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 64 Offline	Dsc do u turn your dsc off in the rain my DSC always go on when i start from a complete stop in the rain.... and its annoying!! my frd tells me to turn it off, but im scared it will cause safety hazard.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
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Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
russ.mackay MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: La La Land Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 266 Offline	I do find the DSC on my MCS a little intrusive in the wet. There is a t-junction I have to take a left at every day. It is uphill and a fast busy road so you need to get out quick. I find that wehn it is wet it doesn't take much for the DSC to kick in, trouble is it doesn't just reduce the power alittle bit to allow traction, it really bogs down, then gradually lets the power back in... not great. When I remember, I turn off dsc at this junction as the LSD seems to work much better without it. I find that with DSC on it kicks in before the LSD has a chance to do its thing. Overall, I think DSC is a good thing, I just think it could do with being less intrusive on take-off. HBB MCS

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Nov 22nd, 2006, 07:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mini Vikki On our 2nd one now!!! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Solihull Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 56 Offline	I turn it off occasionally when I'm in the mood for a bit of entertainment and its not likely to cause too many problems as long as you're careful. Having said that - you may wish to check with your insurance company as we've heard very reliably that turning the traction control off may invalidate your insurance. Our local dealer had an M3 written off and not covered by insurance when someone switched it off.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 07:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
lunlun MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 64 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Mini Vikki (original) I turn it off occasionally when I'm in the mood for a bit of entertainment and its not likely to cause too many problems as long as you're careful. Having said that - you may wish to check with your insurance company as we've heard very reliably that turning the traction control off may invalidate your insurance. Our local dealer had an M3 written off and not covered by insurance when someone switched it off. How can they find out if someone turn it off??? and wut do u mean turn it off occasionally when I'm in the mood for a bit of entertainment ? do u mean drifting?? i am new to manual, and i dont have any friends who drive manual, you guys are my only help!! thank you alot!

Nov 22nd, 2006, 09:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
thepharcyde MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2006 Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 44 Offline	I always drive with mine off because another floor to the car is that it is too sensitive in the rain bordering on dangerous. When pulling away from a roundabout/junction it sometimes kicks in leaving you stranded onto incoming cars. As regards invalidating you insurance this seems dubious.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 09:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
Andy P MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Stamford, Lincs Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 1,715 Offline	I only turn ours off when I want some fun, I find it OK in the rain just vary how much power you are trying to put down

Nov 22nd, 2006, 09:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
thepharcyde MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2006 Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 44 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Mini Vikki (original) Our local dealer had an M3 written off and not covered by insurance when someone switched it off. I find this hard to believe, being able to prove/own up does not add up. Someone has told porkies to you.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 3,180 Offline	I used to regularly drive with it off in poor conditions as it was way too sensitive and just killed the power dead instead of feathering it. Since having my DME progrmming done due to a stumble in low revs the traction is a million times better...takes quite significant slippage to get it to kick in and it is far more progressive now so you just keep your foot buried and it sorts itself out and the power doesn't die it just diminishes a bit....fantastic. I will never switch mine off now, except if i went to the track or drag strip or really wanted to see what it can do off the line (oh an on the rolling road as it sets all the warning lights off otherwise )

Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
Will_'S' Stealth Cooper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 1,195 Offline	The first thing i do when i get in car is flick the button of death As above the DSC is way to sensitive more dangerous than anything, especially when performing over taking manouvers you need the traction and the DSC just isn't as effective as altering the throttle.. As for does it infringe insursance whose to know switche car off and as soon as it's it started the dsc back on again PRESS THE DSC BUTTON

Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
g_w_roberts Cooper S Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: north shields Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 40 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by lunlun (original) my DSC always go on when i start from a complete stop in the rain.... and its annoying!! my frd tells me to turn it off, but im scared it will cause safety hazard. in the rain is when you are most likely to need the DSC - i have spun a car which didnt have this in the wet and spinning at 50mph onto a dual carrigeway and ending up facing the wrong way is not fun - only reason it happened - wet + needed new tyres (didnt want to fork out for new tyres as trading car in against new mini in a few days!) leave the DSC on unless you know what your doing or its is dry and quiet on the roads and you want to push your limits a bit.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
russyellocoops having fun or hungover... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Preston Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 1,283 Offline	I thrash our cooper from the lights and you've really got to give it some to get DSC kicking in even when it's wet! And it doesn't really kill the car like some people are describing! Is it only an S problem?

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
g_w_roberts Cooper S Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: north shields Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 40 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by r&nyellocoops (original) I thrash our cooper from the lights and you've really got to give it some to get DSC kicking in even when it's wet! And it doesn't really kill the car like some people are describing! Is it only an S problem? not found it too much of a prob just feather the throttle as if the wheels were spinning and you keep going also kicks in when you put the throttle down at the apex of going round a roundabout - but just stops you going sideways

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
Will_'S' Stealth Cooper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 1,195 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by r&nyellocoops (original) I thrash our cooper from the lights and you've really got to give it some to get DSC kicking in even when it's wet! And it doesn't really kill the car like some people are describing! Is it only an S problem? Not sure depends on tyres its worse if you have run flats on, but i have been overtaking someone and lossed traction and it feels as if cars lossed all power thats not safe just to sensitive for my liking.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jon Chalk Cooperama? Who's he? Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 698 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by r&nyellocoops (original) I thrash our cooper from the lights and you've really got to give it some to get DSC kicking in even when it's wet! And it doesn't really kill the car like some people are describing! Is it only an S problem? Perhaps the LSD helps? I know I can't really get it to kick in on my Cooper either.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
g_w_roberts Cooper S Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: north shields Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 40 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Cooperama (original) Perhaps the LSD helps? I know I can't really get it to kick in on my Cooper either. i dont have a LSD but i guess its how aggressive you are with acceleration as well - gradual squeezing on of power rather than dropping down 3 gears and slamming yopur foot?

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:29 AM	#15 (permalink)
Will_'S' Stealth Cooper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lancashire Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 1,195 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by g_w_roberts (original) i dont have a LSD but i guess its how aggressive you are with acceleration as well - gradual squeezing on of power rather than dropping down 3 gears and slamming yopur foot? i HAVE THE LSD IT MAKES IT A LITTLE TWITCHY UNDER HARD ACCELERATION IN THE WET BUT IT IS ALL ABOUT HOW YOU APPLY THE POWER, BUT SAYIN THAT I JOINED THE MOTORWAY THE OTHER DAY (VERY WET) CHANGING UP AT 3K NOT DRIVING HARD AND IT SPAN IN THE FIRST THREE GEARS WHICH I BLAME RUNFLATS FOR MORE THAN ANYTHING SO ITS ANNOYONG FOR ME TO HAVE THE DSC ON.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:34 AM	#16 (permalink)
Jon Chalk Cooperama? Who's he? Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 02:02 PM Posts: 698 Offline	It sounds like it's more of an issue for "S"'s - obvious really given the much greater power and torque low down.

Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
cristo BLIKSEM (my brg/brg mc) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: york, pennsylvania Local Time: 09:02 AM Posts: 2,210 Offline	Mine stays off all the time (since I don't have DSC in the first place).

Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:02 PM	#19 (permalink)
minidonut MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Birmingham Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 57 Offline	maybe you are acelerating too hard causing it to kick in after all its a safety feature which works

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