[drummachine]

Once my 40k service is done im going to book my car in to have a performace upgrade.

Im interested in the LOHEN 210bhp package but wanted some advise from people that may have had or know of someone who has had it fitted. Is it the right one to go for? Does it greatly effect fuel economy? Can it be fitted easily? Waht are peoples thoughts?

Many thanks

[Cooooooperslad]

My advise, save your money! Your paying for the bluefin which isnt needed!

Go to 1320 autos

WELCOME TO 1320autos.com

[adamos o3,cooper s]

lohen, gtt, 1320 auto, all good people , all know there stuff, pays your money take your chioce.
best thing about this forum is everything is very transparent, so no one will "rip you off", only thing i can say is , do not chase numbers, 210, 230, 245bhp. the car will be much faster than standard.who ever does the work, enjoy!

[DaFlake]

The two pieces that will give you increased HP are the pulley and the tune. All of the tuners are pretty good and have decent packages.

As posted above, some are dead set against a tune for some odd reason (yet to be debated as to why) but as found in a previous thread, it does make a difference in the cars performance. My advice with a 15% reduction pulley is a tune to lean the car back out a little. The car will run without it, but not as well.

As far as fitting is concerned, the pulley is the hardest part. If you are planning on doing it yourself, you need to make sure that you have all the tools available. It can be done in about 3 hours if you are handy with a wrench.

Performance wise, you will love it.

[neilracer1]

i have the lohen 210bhp package on my car. they do look after you for the 3 hours it takes to fit. i just played on the xbox whilst i was waiting and they keep bringing the coffee to. the only problem i have is that when i had the car on the rollers at chipped uk it only made 182bhp. as the package was only fitted a couple of weeks ago i gave them a ring and told them my findings. they told me to come down and they would hae a look over the car for me. it looks like they may have found a problem with the bypass valve it appears to only have half the travel of a new one which they showed me and when i operated it by hand it was a bit rough. they have the car booked in to change the valve and they are going to put it back on the rollers for me to ceck if it is making the 210bhp or there abouts. if not they say they will put the car back to standard to check the car is making the standard 165bhp if it is they say they will give me my money back.

[1320autos]

We have very few customers who have a pulley fitted and dont have a before and after dyno.

We always hook up to the obd while on the dyno so we can see if there is the correct boost pressure pre and post pulley.

[Damo]

Highly recommend Lohen, only thing I would avoid is the Blufin part of it. I'd only get a remap that was made for my car not for everyones as every car is different. I'd use the money to get a GRS intercooler from them instead

[drummachine]

Appreciate the comments guys. Il get it booked in soon to get done. Is there anything anyone else would recommend whilst there that isnt too costly that will improve things??

Chris

[neilracer1]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

We have very few customers who have a pulley fitted and dont have a before and after dyno.

We always hook up to the obd while on the dyno so we can see if there is the correct boost pressure pre and post pulley.

i did ask if it was running the right pressure for the reduced pulley but he just said he was more interested in the intake temp. not sure why?

[1320autos]

Did he have the bonnet open or shut on the rolling road.

We like to look at everything boost pressure IAT ignition timing fueling

[DaFlake]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Did he have the bonnet open or shut on the rolling road.

We like to look at everything boost pressure IAT ignition timing fueling

What tuning method do you guys use? (after market like MTH or do you do your own)

[neilracer1]

the rolling road was not done as part of the tuning (which i think it should be) i thought i should have it on the rollers to check it was running properly and that i got what i paid for. and it did identify a problem wheather it be with the car or the package. the bonnet was open on the power runs that i had done. i do have a video i think i will upload it to youtube and put a link in.

[1320autos]

Unfortunatley having the bonnet open would be your first problem as the air from the fan is passing over the intercooler instead off through it,

Unless the dno operator is measuring boost pressure intake air temps and timing its very hard to know why you were at the power level you were at.

Next time insist on the bonnet being shut, and if they can monitor boost timing and iat, if they cant, find another dyno.

Thinking about it, the above is a bit unfair because if you had made 210 you would off been happy.

[DaFlake]

The number game is a bit ridiculous anyway. The idea is to get a car that has power when you, the driver, demands it. Base numbers mean very little and where one car may stumble in power the other may do well.

Also, unless you baseline the car BEFORE you upgrade, you have no numbers to start with. The numbers like you are using are more marketing than anything. However, if I take a car in to do some mods and my original baseline is say 160 and then I mod and get 172 I now know that I got a 12bhp return on my investment. Dynos are not accurate for what we are using them for but they are good "tools" for helping you get the power sorted.

[1320autos]

Yup I forgot about the old delta / difference bit, this is what I really look for but we're lucky that we have quite a range of dyno plots to compare to as well.

I forgot to answer your question DaFlake, we do no mapping at the moment, we were going to invest in Dimsport but with very few enquieries regarding custom tuning I couldn't see a return, what was more worrying to me was I know off two replacement ecu's being developed so anyone who does want to tune there car will probably go down this path.

Having said all that, we should have access to tuning by Dimsport in 08.

At the moment we tune our fuel via the Apexi safc we have installed.

[DaFlake]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Yup I forgot about the old delta / difference bit, this is what I really look for but we're lucky that we have quite a range of dyno plots to compare to as well.

I forgot to answer your question DaFlake, we do no mapping at the moment, we were going to invest in Dimsport but with very few enquieries regarding custom tuning I couldn't see a return, what was more worrying to me was I know off two replacement ecu's being developed so anyone who does want to tune there car will probably go down this path.

Having said all that, we should have access to tuning by Dimsport in 08.

At the moment we tune our fuel via the Apexi safc we have installed.

I was just curious. I know that the Dimsport option is an expensive investment.

It gets hard to calm people down on numbers when they don't even know what the base is. This is why I have avoided the RR like the plague. I just don't care. I can feel the differences in my car and when something doesn't feel right I tweak it until it does.

[neilracer1]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos (original)

Thinking about it, the above is a bit unfair because if you had made 210 you would off been happy.

how do you mean

to be honest i would have been happy with 200bhp as i know that every car is different and 200 was the least i was expecting. if i hadn't had the car on the rolling road i would never of known there was a problem with either the car or the package that i had fitted. obviously when a company in selling packages stating figures you are going to expect figures around about what they are stating.

[1320autos]

Oh yeah, I see your point they should know how to dyno a Mini, sometimes I'm too nice

If the Intake air temps were sky high due to the bonnet being open then the timing would retard to suit the situation, thus your peak power would drop dramtically.

Can you post the dyno sheet? Did you have 95 or 99 in the tank??

[neilracer1]

the test results are in the bluefin box which s currently at lohen and the car is always filled to the top with v power 99 ron i do remember seeing the outside air temp which was 6*C

[DaFlake]

Quote: Originally Posted by neilracer1 (original)

how do you mean

obviously when a company in selling packages stating figures you are going to expect figures around about what they are stating.

And that is marketing. The problem with this is that you have no idea how many variables are going to affect these numbers. Everything from air temp to type of fuel as well as engine health can churn different numbers. This is why it is best to baseline the car first and then play with the numbers from there.