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joshie · Mar 21st, 2008, 07:55 PM

Was wondering this as im looking at a March 05 model and n ot sure it will have LSD. I thought they made them standard from Jan 05 however I saw a 55 plate MCS today and on the invoice receipt it had LSD as an extra at £130 or something!?

Hope you can help

KillerByte · Mar 21st, 2008, 08:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by joshie (original)

Was wondering this as im looking at a March 05 model and n ot sure it will have LSD. I thought they made them standard from Jan 05 however I saw a 55 plate MCS today and on the invoice receipt it had LSD as an extra at £130 or something!?

Hope you can help

I believe LSD came as standard with the CHILI pack from January 2005. It was still available as an option without the CHILI pack.

joshie · Mar 21st, 2008, 08:22 PM

Its strange though because he had chilli pacl in the recipt but still LSD.. maybe I am getting confused?

Freedo · Mar 21st, 2008, 08:50 PM

Some more gooooooooood news then!

I've just bought a MCS (05 March) with chilli pack as standard. So it defiantly has a LSD?

JDM_at_heart · Mar 22nd, 2008, 03:29 PM

Is there anything simple to indicate if the car has LSD or not? I have just got a MCS '03 with Chili & visibility pack. No idea if it has the optional LSD though. Took it out for a quick spin but not had a proper look at the car etc as I've been in hospital for the past week and still not 100%.

Mind you I gave it a little blip around a corner on a country road and the traction control kicked in which slowed me down a bit.

timc · Mar 22nd, 2008, 05:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by JDM_at_heart (original)

Is there anything simple to indicate if the car has LSD or not? I have just got a MCS '03 with Chili & visibility pack. No idea if it has the optional LSD though. Took it out for a quick spin but not had a proper look at the car etc as I've been in hospital for the past week and still not 100%.

Mind you I gave it a little blip around a corner on a country road and the traction control kicked in which slowed me down a bit.

LSD only on cars from 05 onwards.

joshie · Mar 22nd, 2008, 07:08 PM

But was it standard then?? (not an optional pay-for extra)

minicabrio · Mar 22nd, 2008, 07:20 PM

The LSD was released in 2005 and was a no-cost option on the Chili pack - but you still had to tick a box to get it

Bit like the smoker pack was, it was free, but if you didn't tick the box, you didn't get it

The only way to tell is to ask a dealer to print off the spec sheet for your car (they can do this from either the reg or the vin).

joshie · Mar 23rd, 2008, 05:25 PM

Im just deciding when lookign for a used car if I need to find one with LSD... is it THAT vital?

Sid-Clubman · Mar 23rd, 2008, 05:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original)

The LSD was released in 2005 and was a no-cost option on the Chili pack - but you still had to tick a box to get it

Bit like the smoker pack was, it was free, but if you didn't tick the box, you didn't get it

The only way to tell is to ask a dealer to print off the spec sheet for your car (they can do this from either the reg or the vin).

Did "ticking the box with a Chili pack" apply to all vehicles or just the S?

JDM_at_heart · Mar 23rd, 2008, 06:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by joshie (original)

Im just deciding when lookign for a used car if I need to find one with LSD... is it THAT vital?

Having an LSD would definitely be beneficial, but probably only really noticeable on a track. So if you're not looking to track your car I doubt you'd even notice much of a difference.

Hugo · Mar 24th, 2008, 11:24 AM

a bit of debat on this one even dealers have given me different dates but I think it was around July\August 05. My July 05 didn't have one tho I thought it had.

You'll notice it in the wet, foot to board coming out of corner in a stock S. but in a Works, GP, or tuned S you would notice it more.

Jaw_F430 · Mar 24th, 2008, 11:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hugo (original)

a bit of debat on this one even dealers have given me different dates but I think it was around JulyAugust 05. My July 05 didn't have one tho I thought it had.

You'll notice it in the wet, foot to board coming out of corner in a stock S. but in a Works, GP, or tuned S you would notice it more.

Mines a 2005 MCS built July 05 and it has an LSD

minicabrio · Mar 24th, 2008, 12:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Sid-Clubman (original)

Did "ticking the box with a Chili pack" apply to all vehicles or just the S?

The LSD has only ever been a factory option on the Cooper S

joshie · Mar 24th, 2008, 06:28 PM

Does LSD stop you sliding out on corners, or just mean you get more speed out of a corner?

Hugo · Mar 24th, 2008, 06:29 PM

Its only when you've got the power on it prevents understeer.

JDM_at_heart · Mar 24th, 2008, 08:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by joshie (original)

Does LSD stop you sliding out on corners, or just mean you get more speed out of a corner?

Best way to explain it I think is if you consider a pencil inbetween 2 cotton reels (simple axle with 2 wheels). When you turn a corner, the outside wheel has to travel a further distance to the inside wheel, so if you enter a corner too fast with a regular diff you will understeer and fall away from the corner.... however, with an LSD, it will put more power to the wheel on the outside that has to go the further distance to help anchor you into the corner. I used to have an LSD on my previous FWD car. Unfortunately I never got around to 'tracking' it but I had a play about with the LSD on some 'private grounds' and it's pretty cool to experiance what's actually going on. You can actually feel the nose of the car turn in towards the roundabout/apex of a corner like you would if you were in a RWD car. On fast road driving, even in the wet I found it hard to get the LSD working - then again it could have just been the type of car. Not had my S long enough to see how well it handles without an LSD. Like I said previously though, won't notice much on normal/fast road driving.

As the above poster said, you only get it working with the power on so the diff can put the power to the outside wheel.

Hope it makes sense. :S

joshie · Mar 24th, 2008, 10:18 PM

Ahh, so it only works when accelerating around bends!!

Will having DCS instead do a similiar job?

Loui · Mar 24th, 2008, 11:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by joshie (original)

Ahh, so it only works when accelerating around bends!!

Will having DCS instead do a similiar job?

Not really in my experience that hinders progress as it apples the brakes

joshie · Mar 25th, 2008, 12:57 AM

Ahh, so LSD, doesnt stop you sliding out, or for safety etc.. it just means you can go round corners and pull out of bends more quickly!?

Mar 21st, 2008, 07:55 PM	#1
joshie Hypedem My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 79 Offline	When was LSD made standard? Was wondering this as im looking at a March 05 model and n ot sure it will have LSD. I thought they made them standard from Jan 05 however I saw a 55 plate MCS today and on the invoice receipt it had LSD as an extra at £130 or something!? Hope you can help

Mar 21st, 2008, 08:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Freedo MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tunbridge Wells,Kent Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 154 Offline	Some more gooooooooood news then! I've just bought a MCS (05 March) with chilli pack as standard. So it defiantly has a LSD? More whiiiine please!

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Mar 21st, 2008, 08:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
KillerByte Skadoosh! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 9,584 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by joshie (original) Was wondering this as im looking at a March 05 model and n ot sure it will have LSD. I thought they made them standard from Jan 05 however I saw a 55 plate MCS today and on the invoice receipt it had LSD as an extra at £130 or something!? Hope you can help I believe LSD came as standard with the CHILI pack from January 2005. It was still available as an option without the CHILI pack.

Mar 21st, 2008, 08:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
joshie Hypedem My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 79 Offline	Its strange though because he had chilli pacl in the recipt but still LSD.. maybe I am getting confused?

Mar 22nd, 2008, 03:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
JDM_at_heart MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2008 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 18 Offline	Is there anything simple to indicate if the car has LSD or not? I have just got a MCS '03 with Chili & visibility pack. No idea if it has the optional LSD though. Took it out for a quick spin but not had a proper look at the car etc as I've been in hospital for the past week and still not 100%. Mind you I gave it a little blip around a corner on a country road and the traction control kicked in which slowed me down a bit.

Mar 22nd, 2008, 05:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
timc MINI2 ? Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 550 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by JDM_at_heart (original) Is there anything simple to indicate if the car has LSD or not? I have just got a MCS '03 with Chili & visibility pack. No idea if it has the optional LSD though. Took it out for a quick spin but not had a proper look at the car etc as I've been in hospital for the past week and still not 100%. Mind you I gave it a little blip around a corner on a country road and the traction control kicked in which slowed me down a bit. LSD only on cars from 05 onwards.

Mar 22nd, 2008, 07:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
joshie Hypedem My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 79 Offline	But was it standard then?? (not an optional pay-for extra)

Mar 22nd, 2008, 07:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
minicabrio Back in a MINI Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 15,028 Offline	The LSD was released in 2005 and was a no-cost option on the Chili pack - but you still had to tick a box to get it Bit like the smoker pack was, it was free, but if you didn't tick the box, you didn't get it The only way to tell is to ask a dealer to print off the spec sheet for your car (they can do this from either the reg or the vin).

Mar 23rd, 2008, 05:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
joshie Hypedem My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 79 Offline	Im just deciding when lookign for a used car if I need to find one with LSD... is it THAT vital?

Mar 23rd, 2008, 05:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sid-Clubman MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 46 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio (original) The LSD was released in 2005 and was a no-cost option on the Chili pack - but you still had to tick a box to get it Bit like the smoker pack was, it was free, but if you didn't tick the box, you didn't get it The only way to tell is to ask a dealer to print off the spec sheet for your car (they can do this from either the reg or the vin). Did "ticking the box with a Chili pack" apply to all vehicles or just the S?

Mar 23rd, 2008, 06:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
JDM_at_heart MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2008 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 18 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by joshie (original) Im just deciding when lookign for a used car if I need to find one with LSD... is it THAT vital? Having an LSD would definitely be beneficial, but probably only really noticeable on a track. So if you're not looking to track your car I doubt you'd even notice much of a difference.

Mar 24th, 2008, 11:24 AM	#12 (permalink)
Hugo MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Norn Iron Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 2,456 Offline	a bit of debat on this one even dealers have given me different dates but I think it was around July\August 05. My July 05 didn't have one tho I thought it had. You'll notice it in the wet, foot to board coming out of corner in a stock S. but in a Works, GP, or tuned S you would notice it more.

Mar 24th, 2008, 11:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jaw_F430 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 7600rpm Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 675 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Hugo (original) a bit of debat on this one even dealers have given me different dates but I think it was around JulyAugust 05. My July 05 didn't have one tho I thought it had. You'll notice it in the wet, foot to board coming out of corner in a stock S. but in a Works, GP, or tuned S you would notice it more. Mines a 2005 MCS built July 05 and it has an LSD

Mar 24th, 2008, 12:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
minicabrio Back in a MINI Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 15,028 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Sid-Clubman (original) Did "ticking the box with a Chili pack" apply to all vehicles or just the S? The LSD has only ever been a factory option on the Cooper S

Mar 24th, 2008, 06:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
joshie Hypedem My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 79 Offline	Does LSD stop you sliding out on corners, or just mean you get more speed out of a corner?

Mar 24th, 2008, 06:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
Hugo MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Norn Iron Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 2,456 Offline	Its only when you've got the power on it prevents understeer.

Mar 24th, 2008, 08:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
JDM_at_heart MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2008 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 18 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by joshie (original) Does LSD stop you sliding out on corners, or just mean you get more speed out of a corner? Best way to explain it I think is if you consider a pencil inbetween 2 cotton reels (simple axle with 2 wheels). When you turn a corner, the outside wheel has to travel a further distance to the inside wheel, so if you enter a corner too fast with a regular diff you will understeer and fall away from the corner.... however, with an LSD, it will put more power to the wheel on the outside that has to go the further distance to help anchor you into the corner. I used to have an LSD on my previous FWD car. Unfortunately I never got around to 'tracking' it but I had a play about with the LSD on some 'private grounds' and it's pretty cool to experiance what's actually going on. You can actually feel the nose of the car turn in towards the roundabout/apex of a corner like you would if you were in a RWD car. On fast road driving, even in the wet I found it hard to get the LSD working - then again it could have just been the type of car. Not had my S long enough to see how well it handles without an LSD. Like I said previously though, won't notice much on normal/fast road driving. As the above poster said, you only get it working with the power on so the diff can put the power to the outside wheel. Hope it makes sense. :S

Mar 24th, 2008, 10:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
joshie Hypedem My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 79 Offline	Ahh, so it only works when accelerating around bends!! Will having DCS instead do a similiar job?

Mar 25th, 2008, 12:57 AM	#20 (permalink)
joshie Hypedem My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2007 Local Time: 04:43 AM Posts: 79 Offline	Ahh, so LSD, doesnt stop you sliding out, or for safety etc.. it just means you can go round corners and pull out of bends more quickly!?

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