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tomorthway · Nov 28th, 2002, 09:34 AM

on the 2003 mcs did they change the skid plate and fix the power steering fan problem??????

GMINI · Nov 28th, 2002, 09:57 AM

Truly doubt it. Don't be upset. I hardly heard of any real problems with anyhing damaging the fan from underneath. Regardless, I have a mossmini skid plate on the way for general underneath purposes.

minimc · Nov 28th, 2002, 03:02 PM

No matter how many have/n't reported damage (yet) that power steering fan's in a BAD place. It’s begging to be fed road debris.

Picture a plastic shopping bag or other litter getting stuck in there. YIKES! It’s bad enough when one suffers the misfortunate of a plastic bag getting stuck on a hot exhaust!

Then for those of us in areas that receive significant annual snowfall there are those roadway "land-mines" - chunks of ice & snow that drop from the wheel wells of cars. Often these fall off right in front of you, and there's nowhere to go but over. I can just picture one of these "bouncing freezies" getting up into that fan and wrecking the works.

Whatever the case I'm ordering from Moss, as I don't think they'll address this issue in time for my car (Jan 03)

mc

BigMack · Nov 28th, 2002, 05:03 PM

There is a plate under there, but it does not look like it will do anything to save the fan.

I just stuck my camera under there & snapped this picture of my October 14, 2002 build Cooper S.

As you can see, my camera could have gotten stuck in it, really easy.

GMINI · Nov 29th, 2002, 12:32 AM

Yes. Precarious positioning. look closely under your car and you will see that MINI put a steel guard in front of the cat for trashbags and crap I presume. The fan seems to have an ammount of plastic built right in front of it, as part of the housing. Now something may just come along someday. Sure. But this is neither a US only feature nor one specific to the MCS. Last year many a MINI automobile saw nasty conditions to equal the ones here. I have seen only prognostications/worries. Can you show me a link to someone who has a busted power steering fan from road matter? Just curious/lazy

Again. I believe it is a design flaw. If I can see the fan, it's vulnerable. I have no proof other than that. Does anyone? I am awaiting my mossmini stainless steel plate. My car deserves it.

PS: I've been running over the unavoidable bags and they've all come out the other end. Phew!

BillK · Nov 29th, 2002, 02:15 AM

GMINI,

I won't do the search for you, but yes, there have been several reports of PS fan failure that have been reported as caused by foreign matter injestion. (FOD for you aircraft types.) As I understand the problem though, when the fan goes, the fuse blows, and the same fuse supplies the radiater fan. As infrequent as the problem may be, the end results have been reported as catastrophic.

I plan to buy a skid plate for my MINI's Christmas gift.

GMINI · Nov 29th, 2002, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BillK
GMINI,

I won't do the search for you, but yes, there have been several reports of PS fan failure that have been reported as caused by foreign matter injestion. (FOD for you aircraft types.) As I understand the problem though, when the fan goes, the fuse blows, and the same fuse supplies the radiater fan. As infrequent as the problem may be, the end results have been reported as catastrophic.

I plan to buy a skid plate for my MINI's Christmas gift.

Late night silly request. Late night silliness. I take your word for it. I remember reading of the chain reaction.

Go MINI.

NYCguy · Dec 2nd, 2002, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Can you show me a link to someone who has a busted power steering fan from road matter? Just curious/lazy

It happened to me, Markie(http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=17700) and src (http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=16054)

Go to this thread for a long discussion about it.: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=14375

EPilot · Dec 2nd, 2002, 08:56 PM

Here's a skid plate how to post. http://minicooperonline.com/modules....c&topic=1701&6
This is one of my first buys when I get my Cooper S.

GMINI · Dec 2nd, 2002, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EPilot
Here's a skid plate how to post. http://minicooperonline.com/modules....c&topic=1701&6
This is one of my first buys when I get my Cooper S.

I just think of it more as a here are some photos of yer MINI's underside where the badass steelplate is gonna be fitted. I was sold the moment I saw the two together.

GMINI · Dec 2nd, 2002, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NYCguy

It happened to me, Markie(http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=17700) and src (http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=16054)

Go to this thread for a long discussion about it.: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=14375

That's a crap thing to have happen. I trust you are enjoying a new skidplate now.

And I am extra glad mine is on its way.

NYCguy · Dec 3rd, 2002, 11:19 AM

Quote:

I trust you are enjoying a new skidplate now.

Thanks Gmini. I wish I was enjoying it but the car is at the dealer for the sixth time. I won't bore you with the details but I'll be putting that plate on this week when I get the car back.

kgelner · Dec 4th, 2002, 07:24 PM

On my 2003 Cooper S I picked up last week, I had the dealer install the Moss skid plate before I even got there, and I haven't had a chance to examine the underside of the car closley yet - so I'm not sure if they've improved things.

I sure felt a lot better travelling across the country with a skid plate though! Especially the last day driving through a few inches of freezing slush in northern New Mexico during a driving snowstorm.

haz · Dec 4th, 2002, 08:21 PM

The SIXTH TIME!!!
I must say that is discouraging. I'm waiting on delivery of our MCS and am starting to get pretty bummed out hearing stuff like this!

Quote:

Originally posted by NYCguy

Thanks Gmini. I wish I was enjoying it but the car is at the dealer for the sixth time. I won't bore you with the details but I'll be putting that plate on this week when I get the car back.

::

paddy · Dec 4th, 2002, 08:33 PM

Smart move. I live out here on the East Coast and the thought of slush, ice chunks, and all of the other winter stuff out there scares me. I installed a MossMini skid plate on my Cooper about 3 weeks ago. The hardest part of the installation was holding the skid plate up with my head while attempting to put the hex bolts in the correct holes. All worked out OK, after I got my son to lend a hand. Have not even given the skid plate another thought once it was installed, until I took the OEM plastic one to the dump the other day.....

paddy · Dec 4th, 2002, 08:37 PM

Be sure to take pictures of the skid plate installation. As you know, we need pictures.....

Sorry, we missed hooking up. Ended up working another 8 hours, but all is well now.

paddy

GMINI · Dec 4th, 2002, 11:33 PM

Like you said- definitely next time. Some time.

Just got the plate this morning. Stainless steel. Beautiful. Coupla scratches, though. Made me consider. But really. Under the car... isn't it my secret?

It's not a finish, after all. Then again. Maybe I'll send off to invinca-shield to cut me some scotchcal...

I will install this weekend. Time to break out those jack stands. Simple enough on my back work. My necks gonna be sore. I have to call the MINI/BMW aftermarket guys see what they will give me to do it on their lift Monday.

And of course- I will remember to noink the 3.1 from work. Though it looks like Dave in Denver already posted a pretty explicit set. I'll be getting my car higher though. And it is stainless steel after all...

NYCguy · Dec 5th, 2002, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by paddy
Be sure to take pictures of the skid plate installation. As you know, we need pictures.....

EPilot already posted the link to the pictures. It's http://minicooperonline.com/modules....pic&topic=1701

By the way, I heard on another board that the PS fan circuit was now independent of the cooling system with '03 models. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

Thanks.

Nov 28th, 2002, 09:34 AM	#1
tomorthway MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: brooklyn ny Local Time: 07:08 AM Posts: 71 Offline	ps fan skid plate? on the 2003 mcs did they change the skid plate and fix the power steering fan problem?????? tom orthway

Nov 28th, 2002, 09:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 7,178 Offline	Not sure. Truly doubt it. Don't be upset. I hardly heard of any real problems with anyhing damaging the fan from underneath. Regardless, I have a mossmini skid plate on the way for general underneath purposes. NY/NE Mod

Nov 28th, 2002, 05:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
BigMack MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Near Daytona Beach, FL Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 278 Offline	Plate?? There is a plate under there, but it does not look like it will do anything to save the fan. I just stuck my camera under there & snapped this picture of my October 14, 2002 build Cooper S. As you can see, my camera could have gotten stuck in it, really easy. Attached Thumbnails 2004 Pepper White Copoper S on order :white: 2002 Pepper White/Black Cooper, 9800 miles :white: 1972 Gunmetal Innocenti Cooper 1300, miles unknown

Nov 29th, 2002, 12:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 7,178 Offline	My point: Yes. Precarious positioning. look closely under your car and you will see that MINI put a steel guard in front of the cat for trashbags and crap I presume. The fan seems to have an ammount of plastic built right in front of it, as part of the housing. Now something may just come along someday. Sure. But this is neither a US only feature nor one specific to the MCS. Last year many a MINI automobile saw nasty conditions to equal the ones here. I have seen only prognostications/worries. Can you show me a link to someone who has a busted power steering fan from road matter? Just curious/lazy Again. I believe it is a design flaw. If I can see the fan, it's vulnerable. I have no proof other than that. Does anyone? I am awaiting my mossmini stainless steel plate. My car deserves it. PS: I've been running over the unavoidable bags and they've all come out the other end. Phew! NY/NE Mod

Nov 29th, 2002, 02:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
BillK MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Irvine, CA Local Time: 12:08 AM Posts: 541 Offline	GMINI, I won't do the search for you, but yes, there have been several reports of PS fan failure that have been reported as caused by foreign matter injestion. (FOD for you aircraft types.) As I understand the problem though, when the fan goes, the fuse blows, and the same fuse supplies the radiater fan. As infrequent as the problem may be, the end results have been reported as catastrophic. I plan to buy a skid plate for my MINI's Christmas gift. MC/VR/B/PP&SP/CVT/Xenon

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Nov 28th, 2002, 03:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
minimc MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2002 Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 473 Offline	No matter how many have/n't reported damage (yet) that power steering fan's in a BAD place. It’s begging to be fed road debris. Picture a plastic shopping bag or other litter getting stuck in there. YIKES! It’s bad enough when one suffers the misfortunate of a plastic bag getting stuck on a hot exhaust! Then for those of us in areas that receive significant annual snowfall there are those roadway "land-mines" - chunks of ice & snow that drop from the wheel wells of cars. Often these fall off right in front of you, and there's nowhere to go but over. I can just picture one of these "bouncing freezies" getting up into that fan and wrecking the works. Whatever the case I'm ordering from Moss, as I don't think they'll address this issue in time for my car (Jan 03) mc

Nov 29th, 2002, 08:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 7,178 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by BillK GMINI, I won't do the search for you, but yes, there have been several reports of PS fan failure that have been reported as caused by foreign matter injestion. (FOD for you aircraft types.) As I understand the problem though, when the fan goes, the fuse blows, and the same fuse supplies the radiater fan. As infrequent as the problem may be, the end results have been reported as catastrophic. I plan to buy a skid plate for my MINI's Christmas gift. Late night silly request. Late night silliness. I take your word for it. I remember reading of the chain reaction. Go MINI. NY/NE Mod

Dec 2nd, 2002, 11:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
NYCguy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 200 Offline	Quote: Can you show me a link to someone who has a busted power steering fan from road matter? Just curious/lazy It happened to me, Markie(http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=17700) and src (http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=16054) Go to this thread for a long discussion about it.: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=14375 '03 Cooper S

Dec 2nd, 2002, 08:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
EPilot MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Here's a skid plate how to post. http://minicooperonline.com/modules....c&topic=1701&6 This is one of my first buys when I get my Cooper S. Last edited by EPilot : Dec 2nd, 2002 at 09:07 PM.

Dec 2nd, 2002, 10:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 7,178 Offline	Yeah. That was a seller post. Quote: Originally posted by EPilot Here's a skid plate how to post. http://minicooperonline.com/modules....c&topic=1701&6 This is one of my first buys when I get my Cooper S. I just think of it more as a here are some photos of yer MINI's underside where the badass steelplate is gonna be fitted. I was sold the moment I saw the two together. NY/NE Mod

Dec 2nd, 2002, 10:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 7,178 Offline	Sorry NYCguy Quote: Originally posted by NYCguy It happened to me, Markie(http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=17700) and src (http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=16054) Go to this thread for a long discussion about it.: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=14375 That's a crap thing to have happen. I trust you are enjoying a new skidplate now. And I am extra glad mine is on its way. NY/NE Mod

Dec 3rd, 2002, 11:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
NYCguy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 200 Offline	Quote: I trust you are enjoying a new skidplate now. Thanks Gmini. I wish I was enjoying it but the car is at the dealer for the sixth time. I won't bore you with the details but I'll be putting that plate on this week when I get the car back. '03 Cooper S

Dec 4th, 2002, 07:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
kgelner MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denver, Colorado, USA Local Time: 01:08 AM Posts: 166 Offline	Not sure... On my 2003 Cooper S I picked up last week, I had the dealer install the Moss skid plate before I even got there, and I haven't had a chance to examine the underside of the car closley yet - so I'm not sure if they've improved things. I sure felt a lot better travelling across the country with a skid plate though! Especially the last day driving through a few inches of freezing slush in northern New Mexico during a driving snowstorm. ---> Kendall

Dec 4th, 2002, 08:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
haz MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: pacific northwest Local Time: 11:08 PM Posts: 8 Offline	The SIXTH TIME!!! I must say that is discouraging. I'm waiting on delivery of our MCS and am starting to get pretty bummed out hearing stuff like this! Quote: Originally posted by NYCguy Thanks Gmini. I wish I was enjoying it but the car is at the dealer for the sixth time. I won't bore you with the details but I'll be putting that plate on this week when I get the car back. ::

Dec 4th, 2002, 08:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
paddy Anyone seen MP lately??? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Olney, MD Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 1,126 Offline	kgelner, Smart move. I live out here on the East Coast and the thought of slush, ice chunks, and all of the other winter stuff out there scares me. I installed a MossMini skid plate on my Cooper about 3 weeks ago. The hardest part of the installation was holding the skid plate up with my head while attempting to put the hex bolts in the correct holes. All worked out OK, after I got my son to lend a hand. Have not even given the skid plate another thought once it was installed, until I took the OEM plastic one to the dump the other day..... "We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail..." -- President George W. Bush - Sept. 20, 2001

Dec 4th, 2002, 08:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
paddy Anyone seen MP lately??? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Olney, MD Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 1,126 Offline	GMINI, Be sure to take pictures of the skid plate installation. As you know, we need pictures..... Sorry, we missed hooking up. Ended up working another 8 hours, but all is well now. paddy "We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail..." -- President George W. Bush - Sept. 20, 2001

Dec 4th, 2002, 11:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
GMINI MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Connecticut Local Time: 03:08 AM Posts: 7,178 Offline	Paddy- Missed ya. Oh well. Like you said- definitely next time. Some time. Just got the plate this morning. Stainless steel. Beautiful. Coupla scratches, though. Made me consider. But really. Under the car... isn't it my secret? It's not a finish, after all. Then again. Maybe I'll send off to invinca-shield to cut me some scotchcal... I will install this weekend. Time to break out those jack stands. Simple enough on my back work. My necks gonna be sore. I have to call the MINI/BMW aftermarket guys see what they will give me to do it on their lift Monday. And of course- I will remember to noink the 3.1 from work. Though it looks like Dave in Denver already posted a pretty explicit set. I'll be getting my car higher though. And it is stainless steel after all... NY/NE Mod

Dec 5th, 2002, 11:43 AM	#18 (permalink)
NYCguy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 200 Offline	Re: GMINI, Quote: Originally posted by paddy Be sure to take pictures of the skid plate installation. As you know, we need pictures..... EPilot already posted the link to the pictures. It's http://minicooperonline.com/modules....pic&topic=1701 By the way, I heard on another board that the PS fan circuit was now independent of the cooling system with '03 models. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor? Thanks. '03 Cooper S

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