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vdubdoug · Dec 15th, 2002, 06:54 PM

I am going to be Purchasing a Cooper S soon and I am not sure weather or not I want DSC. What are the rea; world pro's and con's. I plan on driving my cooper allot and also attending the occasional Auto-X.

Thanks

Mugami · Dec 15th, 2002, 07:59 PM

IMO depending on the driver is it worth it or not.. when you auto=x you will have it off. But for non-racing apps with slick roads the DSC can make you a better driver than you are. Even though in some cases the DSC can be a burdon more than an assest.

BruceK · Dec 15th, 2002, 11:14 PM

This question about DSC has been raised many times, resulting in a number of threads on the subject.

I suggest you do a Search on this topic to see what has already been said.

Casey · Dec 16th, 2002, 01:35 AM

After owning an S, and now ordering another S. The DSC that is on my current S will be left of in favor of an aftermarket traction control unit (racelogic). I was never really impressed with it and there are better systems out there, but they have a price...the racelogic unit will set me back about 1200 bucks instead of 500 for the DSC, but I will have launch control, 4 wheel data logging, and multple settings that are adjustable from the cockpit....check them out at www.racelogic.co.uk

Cheers
Casey

Mugami · Dec 16th, 2002, 06:59 PM

thanks for the link Casey.. I may go after that unit. since on my new mini im not getting the DSC this time. But with the Addon's planned i could use the Launch control so I wont mess up the Tranny

LMB · Dec 16th, 2002, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Casey
After owning an S, and now ordering another S. The DSC that is on my current S will be left of in favor of an aftermarket traction control unit (racelogic). I was never really impressed with it and there are better systems out there, but they have a price...the racelogic unit will set me back about 1200 bucks instead of 500 for the DSC, but I will have launch control, 4 wheel data logging, and multple settings that are adjustable from the cockpit....check them out at www.racelogic.co.uk

Cheers
Casey

Interesting.......

How come your changing your S?

vdubdoug · Dec 17th, 2002, 10:53 PM

Thanks for the information everyone. i will hopefully getting to the dealer soon and ordering my cooper w/o DSC.

Casey · Dec 17th, 2002, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LMB

Interesting.......

How come your changing your S?

My current S is fat

Almost all the options...so instead I'm now ordering the following

Jet Black and White MCS
Clear Rear Lenses
Aero Kit Front Grill
Anthracite Interior
White wheels (though I will be getting aftermarket wheels right away - not sure on which ones yets...White SSR Comps, White Centerline RPM, White OZ Supperleggera, White Rota Subzeros)

LMB · Dec 26th, 2002, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Casey
My current S is fat Almost all the options...so instead I'm now ordering the following

Jet Black and White MCS
Clear Rear Lenses
Aero Kit Front Grill
Anthracite Interior
White wheels (though I will be getting aftermarket wheels right away - not sure on which ones yets...White SSR Comps, White Centerline RPM, White OZ Supperleggera, White Rota Subzeros)

Great minds think alike.

I'm on the verge of ordering another S. Mines fairly fat as well...

Still playing with my Spec so will post as soon as I've decided.

Casey · Dec 26th, 2002, 04:50 PM

Sweet - keep me informed on what you end up ordering...I put in my order the other day...will be here around march or april.

LMB · Apr 14th, 2003, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Casey
Sweet - keep me informed on what you end up ordering...I put in my order the other day...will be here around march or april.

Got your S yet Casey?

David-MCS · Apr 14th, 2003, 02:58 AM

I've seen several references in the past few weeks to the weight penalty of all of the options available for the MCS. Has anyone actually taken a "minimum spec" MCS, weighed it, and compared it to an S with "all" of the options? If I were to GUESS, I would pick a number around 100 lbs. Does anyone have any real DATA? Then we could start QUANTIFYING the penalty of all of the Creature Comforts!

How about it? Anyone put their MINI Cooper S on a set of scales?

MINIAC · Apr 14th, 2003, 03:10 AM

Sunroof adds 61 lbs.

17" (R85) wheels add 30 lbs.

MiniMan7 · Apr 14th, 2003, 04:34 AM

In my opinion, I'd get the DSC, I know alot of people complain that its always flashing and taking control, but theres those few times when it really saves your butt!

I personally really like it, IMO it helps me take tighter turns.

dinlo · Apr 14th, 2003, 01:57 PM

Let me tell you this. I just went to a MINI meet on April 12. It was rain REALLY BAD, everybody was driving like 50 to 70 at a 35 road. I'm not a very good stick driver(Only start to drive my S for 3 weeks), I don't want to get lost so I have to, i should say I tried to catch up with the others, at couple turns, if not the DSC, I think my car will slip or I would be gone......

but b/c of the DSC, I just turn those corner like nothing. So I will think DSC worth every penny.

Martin L · Apr 14th, 2003, 03:08 PM

Get the DSC, you can always turn it off when the conditions are good.
It's more of a "safety" feature and can't be faulted on its lateral control

Definately saved me from spining this weekend an The Nurburgring

Pebbles · Apr 15th, 2003, 04:53 AM

I have the DSC and love it. I turn it off and on. I can really tell the difference in the rain and snow.

GTmini · Apr 15th, 2003, 05:52 AM

...after a heart stopping fobble when hitting a damp spot during a quick, undulating, downhill chicane this past weekend, I'd definitely say that DSC is worth it!

At least if you're the type of person willing to push the MCS into situations where it might need to be called on as a safety net every now and then. I've never really activated it before, but that split second it REALLY paid for itself a million times over. For hardcore competitive auto-x'ing though, I'd guess you'd want it to be off (haven't done it myself). Also today is a rainy day, so who knows if/when any of the crappy drivers around here will give cause for me to call upon the powers of DSC again.

KAMAKAZI · Apr 15th, 2003, 06:25 AM

The was a Speed Channel episode last week of BMWs at the test track in south carolina driven aggesively on a wet polished concrete skid pad slalom course, with and without DSC. The change in handling appeared quite dramatic.

I have DSC and have never noticed a difference but its only because I dont drive that aggressively on slipperery surfaces. But I think its an important safety advantage.

Dec 15th, 2002, 06:54 PM	#1
vdubdoug MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Babylon Local Time: 07:04 AM Posts: 261 Offline	Is DSC (Dynamic Stability control) worth it? I am going to be Purchasing a Cooper S soon and I am not sure weather or not I want DSC. What are the rea; world pro's and con's. I plan on driving my cooper allot and also attending the occasional Auto-X. Thanks Doug 2002 Cooper S eb/w, "Mini Cooper Look" 17% pulley. "When in Doubt Choose the burrito"...Tom Kosh

Dec 15th, 2002, 07:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mugami MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 1,215 Offline	IMO depending on the driver is it worth it or not.. when you auto=x you will have it off. But for non-racing apps with slick roads the DSC can make you a better driver than you are. Even though in some cases the DSC can be a burdon more than an assest. 02 MCS DS/W (Totaled November 02 on Fall Folage Run) 03 MCS DS/W (See my MINI Profie for extensive list of mods)

Dec 15th, 2002, 11:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 07:04 AM Posts: 3,759 Offline	This question about DSC has been raised many times, resulting in a number of threads on the subject. I suggest you do a Search on this topic to see what has already been said. + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Dec 16th, 2002, 06:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mugami MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 09:04 AM Posts: 1,215 Offline	thanks for the link Casey.. I may go after that unit. since on my new mini im not getting the DSC this time. But with the Addon's planned i could use the Launch control so I wont mess up the Tranny 02 MCS DS/W (Totaled November 02 on Fall Folage Run) 03 MCS DS/W (See my MINI Profie for extensive list of mods)

Dec 16th, 2002, 10:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 02:04 PM Posts: 24,964 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Casey After owning an S, and now ordering another S. The DSC that is on my current S will be left of in favor of an aftermarket traction control unit (racelogic). I was never really impressed with it and there are better systems out there, but they have a price...the racelogic unit will set me back about 1200 bucks instead of 500 for the DSC, but I will have launch control, 4 wheel data logging, and multple settings that are adjustable from the cockpit....check them out at www.racelogic.co.uk Cheers Casey Interesting....... How come your changing your S? Global Moderator

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Dec 16th, 2002, 01:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Casey MINI2 co-founder Join Date: Jan 2001 Local Time: 08:04 AM Posts: 658 Offline	After owning an S, and now ordering another S. The DSC that is on my current S will be left of in favor of an aftermarket traction control unit (racelogic). I was never really impressed with it and there are better systems out there, but they have a price...the racelogic unit will set me back about 1200 bucks instead of 500 for the DSC, but I will have launch control, 4 wheel data logging, and multple settings that are adjustable from the cockpit....check them out at www.racelogic.co.uk Cheers Casey

Dec 17th, 2002, 10:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
vdubdoug MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Babylon Local Time: 07:04 AM Posts: 261 Offline	Thanks for the information everyone. i will hopefully getting to the dealer soon and ordering my cooper w/o DSC. Doug 2002 Cooper S eb/w, "Mini Cooper Look" 17% pulley. "When in Doubt Choose the burrito"...Tom Kosh

Dec 17th, 2002, 11:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Casey MINI2 co-founder Join Date: Jan 2001 Local Time: 08:04 AM Posts: 658 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by LMB Interesting....... How come your changing your S? My current S is fat Almost all the options...so instead I'm now ordering the following Jet Black and White MCS Clear Rear Lenses Aero Kit Front Grill Anthracite Interior White wheels (though I will be getting aftermarket wheels right away - not sure on which ones yets...White SSR Comps, White Centerline RPM, White OZ Supperleggera, White Rota Subzeros)

Dec 26th, 2002, 09:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 02:04 PM Posts: 24,964 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Casey My current S is fat Almost all the options...so instead I'm now ordering the following Jet Black and White MCS Clear Rear Lenses Aero Kit Front Grill Anthracite Interior White wheels (though I will be getting aftermarket wheels right away - not sure on which ones yets...White SSR Comps, White Centerline RPM, White OZ Supperleggera, White Rota Subzeros) Great minds think alike. I'm on the verge of ordering another S. Mines fairly fat as well... Still playing with my Spec so will post as soon as I've decided. Global Moderator

Dec 26th, 2002, 04:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
Casey MINI2 co-founder Join Date: Jan 2001 Local Time: 08:04 AM Posts: 658 Offline	Sweet - keep me informed on what you end up ordering...I put in my order the other day...will be here around march or april.

Apr 14th, 2003, 12:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 02:04 PM Posts: 24,964 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Casey Sweet - keep me informed on what you end up ordering...I put in my order the other day...will be here around march or april. Got your S yet Casey? Global Moderator

Apr 14th, 2003, 02:58 AM	#12 (permalink)
David-MCS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Local Time: 06:04 AM Posts: 79 Offline	Fat MCS's... I've seen several references in the past few weeks to the weight penalty of all of the options available for the MCS. Has anyone actually taken a "minimum spec" MCS, weighed it, and compared it to an S with "all" of the options? If I were to GUESS, I would pick a number around 100 lbs. Does anyone have any real DATA? Then we could start QUANTIFYING the penalty of all of the Creature Comforts! How about it? Anyone put their MINI Cooper S on a set of scales? ...David-MCS

Apr 14th, 2003, 03:10 AM	#13 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 06:04 AM Posts: 8,707 Offline	Sunroof adds 61 lbs. 17" (R85) wheels add 30 lbs.

Apr 14th, 2003, 04:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
MiniMan7 Let's Motor. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 2,897 Offline	In my opinion, I'd get the DSC, I know alot of people complain that its always flashing and taking control, but theres those few times when it really saves your butt! I personally really like it, IMO it helps me take tighter turns. http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/16791/32165.jpg

Apr 14th, 2003, 01:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
dinlo MINI2 Master / Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern California Local Time: 06:04 AM Posts: 1,508 Offline	Let me tell you this. I just went to a MINI meet on April 12. It was rain REALLY BAD, everybody was driving like 50 to 70 at a 35 road. I'm not a very good stick driver(Only start to drive my S for 3 weeks), I don't want to get lost so I have to, i should say I tried to catch up with the others, at couple turns, if not the DSC, I think my car will slip or I would be gone...... but b/c of the DSC, I just turn those corner like nothing. So I will think DSC worth every penny. 1962 mini, 2004 MCS, 2003 MCS, 1965 mini Click here to NorCalMINIs.com

Apr 14th, 2003, 03:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
Martin L MINI defector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Harefield Local Time: 02:04 PM Posts: 13,642 Offline	Get the DSC, you can always turn it off when the conditions are good. It's more of a "safety" feature and can't be faulted on its lateral control Definately saved me from spining this weekend an The Nurburgring MINI, RX8 and MX5 - Done those............. It's now TTime Unofficial MINI2.com bean counter

Apr 15th, 2003, 04:53 AM	#17 (permalink)
Pebbles MINI2 Oldie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Local Time: 08:04 AM Posts: 292 Offline	I have the DSC and love it. I turn it off and on. I can really tell the difference in the rain and snow. "Mr Bridger"

Apr 15th, 2003, 05:52 AM	#18 (permalink)
GTmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Local Time: 06:04 AM Posts: 458 Offline	...after a heart stopping fobble when hitting a damp spot during a quick, undulating, downhill chicane this past weekend, I'd definitely say that DSC is worth it! At least if you're the type of person willing to push the MCS into situations where it might need to be called on as a safety net every now and then. I've never really activated it before, but that split second it REALLY paid for itself a million times over. For hardcore competitive auto-x'ing though, I'd guess you'd want it to be off (haven't done it myself). Also today is a rainy day, so who knows if/when any of the crappy drivers around here will give cause for me to call upon the powers of DSC again.

Apr 15th, 2003, 06:25 AM	#19 (permalink)
KAMAKAZI MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Local Time: 01:04 PM Posts: 166 Offline	The was a Speed Channel episode last week of BMWs at the test track in south carolina driven aggesively on a wet polished concrete skid pad slalom course, with and without DSC. The change in handling appeared quite dramatic. I have DSC and have never noticed a difference but its only because I dont drive that aggressively on slipperery surfaces. But I think its an important safety advantage. Cooper S Brg/w sport package

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