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rich · Dec 18th, 2001, 09:25 PM

There seems to have been a bit of debate about what gearbox the S will actually get...

Latest specs off miniusa.com confirm it's a Getrag box

We like...

KarmanS · Dec 18th, 2001, 11:08 PM

Performance cars such as M5, M3, and Skyline GTR (which are all great driver's cars in my mind) are equipped with a getrag unit. I am glad the cooper S will have it too!

BruceK · Dec 18th, 2001, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KarmanS
Performance cars such as M5, M3, and Skyline GTR (which are all great driver's cars in my mind) are equipped with a getrag unit. I am glad the cooper S will have it too!

Not to mention supplier to the Audi family A4/A6/A8/S4/S6/S8 as well as the Porsche 911 Carrera 2, Carrera 4, 996.

Basil · Dec 19th, 2001, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rich
There seems to have been a bit of debate about what gearbox the S will actually get...

Latest specs off miniusa.com confirm it's a Getrag box

We like...

My Dealer showed me their Factory MINI Cooper S Manual (about 3 inches thick !!) this clearly states the 6 speed is a Getrag unit.....no question at all. Absolutely NO CHANCE of a copy before anyone asks.....

MINIMiller · Dec 19th, 2001, 06:27 AM

It would also appear to be the same unit being used in the new Ford SVT Focus. The unit in both the S and the Focus uses two shafts; the output shaft holding four gears and an output shaft with two different gears. this allows getting 6 forward speeds into a smaller container.

It should be wonderful having six choices for getting that torque to the road!!!

BruceK · Dec 19th, 2001, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MiniMiller
It would also appear to be the same unit being used in the new Ford SVT Focus. The unit in both the S and the Focus uses two shafts; the output shaft holding four gears and an output shaft with two different gears. this allows getting 6 forward speeds into a smaller container.

It should be wonderful having six choices for getting that torque to the road!!!

It's strange that if it is the same gearbox, then why hasn't Ford made mention of having a premium Getrag transmission as being part of their new model? I remember reading that the gearbox in the SVT has an unusual design to acheive the 6 speeds, but where have you heard about the same unique design being used for the Cooper S? Just curious.

If I remember what I read correctly, the SVT Focus will also be putting less torque through the gearbox - only 145 ft lbs out of its 2 liter engine.

coopercrazy · Dec 19th, 2001, 03:18 PM

Bruce,

See the miniusa website, check out interior features under the Cooper S. Once there, click on and read about the gearbox.

MINIMiller · Dec 19th, 2001, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BruceK

It's strange that if it is the same gearbox, then why hasn't Ford made mention of having a premium Getrag transmission as being part of their new model? I remember reading that the gearbox in the SVT has an unusual design to acheive the 6 speeds, but where have you heard about the same unique design being used for the Cooper S? Just curious.

If I remember what I read correctly, the SVT Focus will also be putting less torque through the gearbox - only 145 ft lbs out of its 2 liter engine.

I'm not sure why Ford has not tooted more about having a Getrag, but last weeks Autoweek featured the Focus Ford Focus SVT article from Autoweek. You are also correct on the torque number. Ford has made tweeks to increas both HP and torque, although the torque increase is not substantial.

DeniseK · Dec 19th, 2001, 05:23 PM

Now I may be wrong, and usually am, but I was looking at the gear shift for the Cooper S on miniusa.com, and the gear layout seems to be 5 forward gears, one reverse gear. Is this what is being touted as 6 gears?
DeniseK

MINIMiller · Dec 19th, 2001, 05:29 PM

Go in to the interior specs section for the Cooper S, and click on the hot link for the Getrag gearbox. You will be able to see a picture of it there. Definately six forward gears. You must have seen the picture for the standard Cooper.

Basil · Dec 20th, 2001, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeniseK
Now I may be wrong, and usually am, but I was looking at the gear shift for the Cooper S on miniusa.com, and the gear layout seems to be 5 forward gears, one reverse gear. Is this what is being touted as 6 gears?
DeniseK

It is a 6 forward geared manual Getrag Gearbox.......+ an reverse for going backwards.....or forwards going backwards.....in which case six reverse gears and one for going backwords forward.......

Basil · Dec 20th, 2001, 07:27 AM

For the doubters: -
(Credit for this picture goes to ADO15 who posted scans of the only "S" brochure known to currently exist in the whole MINI2 universe)

pbraun · Dec 21st, 2001, 04:09 PM

That's very cool. I want one !

Basil · Dec 22nd, 2001, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pbraun
That's very cool. I want one !

Have you seen the Gear Ratios on the miniusa.com site. Thats a very short shifting gearbox. Not sure why it doesn't have a final drive ratio listed though....any explainations over and above that they forgot to state it ?

cheers

Viscount Charles · Dec 23rd, 2001, 09:35 AM

Final drive ratio is given as 3.94:1 followed by a "?"

OnlyS4me · Dec 23rd, 2001, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Basil
For the doubters: -
(Credit for this picture goes to ADO15 who posted scans of the only "S" brochure known to currently exist in the whole MINI2 universe)

No.... I've got it too. That's one benefit of being at the Essen Motor Show besides being all over the real thing

!

Basil · Dec 23rd, 2001, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Viscount Charles
Final drive ratio is given as 3.94:1 followed by a "?"

yea, the "?" is appropriate. I doubt if thats the correct final drive ratio....should be much closer to 1:1 shouldn't it ?

Viscount Charles · Dec 24th, 2001, 03:45 AM

The final drive ratio in the Rover Minis vary between about 3.6:1 and 4.1:1. Higher top speed with the second, vs better acceleration with the first, IIRC.

So 3.9-ish isn't out of the ballpark, but might be considered a little long by the smoking-tyre brigade.

Basil · Dec 24th, 2001, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OnlyS4me

No.... I've got it too. That's one benefit of being at the Essen Motor Show besides being all over the real thing !

Sigh!.....geez your lucky.

And another interesting thing......I didn't get an e-mail regarding your post......thats a first...I wonder how many others I've missed.......Hmm..

Mind you, Paul Mullett made me a Dalek, and I've got a 1:43rd Scale model of the Cooper from BMW Australia for Christmas so I shouldn't complain too much hey !.

Merry christmas OnlyS4me

Basil · Dec 24th, 2001, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Viscount Charles
The final drive ratio in the Rover Minis vary between about 3.6:1 and 4.1:1. Higher top speed with the second, vs better acceleration with the first, IIRC.

So 3.9-ish isn't out of the ballpark, but might be considered a little long by the smoking-tyre brigade.

Makes sense, thanks...

Dec 18th, 2001, 09:25 PM	#1
rich MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 07:14 PM Posts: 1,586 Offline	Getrag 6-speed box There seems to have been a bit of debate about what gearbox the S will actually get... Latest specs off miniusa.com confirm it's a Getrag box We like...

Dec 18th, 2001, 11:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 03:14 AM Posts: 3,759 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by KarmanS Performance cars such as M5, M3, and Skyline GTR (which are all great driver's cars in my mind) are equipped with a getrag unit. I am glad the cooper S will have it too! Not to mention supplier to the Audi family A4/A6/A8/S4/S6/S8 as well as the Porsche 911 Carrera 2, Carrera 4, 996. + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Dec 19th, 2001, 02:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:14 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Re: Getrag 6-speed box Quote: Originally posted by rich There seems to have been a bit of debate about what gearbox the S will actually get... Latest specs off miniusa.com confirm it's a Getrag box We like... My Dealer showed me their Factory MINI Cooper S Manual (about 3 inches thick !!) this clearly states the 6 speed is a Getrag unit.....no question at all. Absolutely NO CHANCE of a copy before anyone asks.....

Dec 19th, 2001, 06:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
MINIMiller Sham's apprentice Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Virginia Local Time: 05:14 AM Posts: 741 Offline	It would also appear to be the same unit being used in the new Ford SVT Focus. The unit in both the S and the Focus uses two shafts; the output shaft holding four gears and an output shaft with two different gears. this allows getting 6 forward speeds into a smaller container. It should be wonderful having six choices for getting that torque to the road!!! Picked up 12 July 2002. 69,000 rev happy miles Autocrossing in G Stock this year!!!

Dec 19th, 2001, 01:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 03:14 AM Posts: 3,759 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by MiniMiller It would also appear to be the same unit being used in the new Ford SVT Focus. The unit in both the S and the Focus uses two shafts; the output shaft holding four gears and an output shaft with two different gears. this allows getting 6 forward speeds into a smaller container. It should be wonderful having six choices for getting that torque to the road!!! It's strange that if it is the same gearbox, then why hasn't Ford made mention of having a premium Getrag transmission as being part of their new model? I remember reading that the gearbox in the SVT has an unusual design to acheive the 6 speeds, but where have you heard about the same unique design being used for the Cooper S? Just curious. If I remember what I read correctly, the SVT Focus will also be putting less torque through the gearbox - only 145 ft lbs out of its 2 liter engine. + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

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Dec 18th, 2001, 11:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
KarmanS MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: HKG Local Time: 05:14 PM Posts: 1,366 Offline	Performance cars such as M5, M3, and Skyline GTR (which are all great driver's cars in my mind) are equipped with a getrag unit. I am glad the cooper S will have it too!

Dec 19th, 2001, 03:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
coopercrazy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LI, NY Local Time: 05:14 AM Posts: 150 Offline	Description of Getrag gearbox Bruce, See the miniusa website, check out interior features under the Cooper S. Once there, click on and read about the gearbox.

Dec 19th, 2001, 03:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
MINIMiller Sham's apprentice Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Virginia Local Time: 05:14 AM Posts: 741 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by BruceK It's strange that if it is the same gearbox, then why hasn't Ford made mention of having a premium Getrag transmission as being part of their new model? I remember reading that the gearbox in the SVT has an unusual design to acheive the 6 speeds, but where have you heard about the same unique design being used for the Cooper S? Just curious. If I remember what I read correctly, the SVT Focus will also be putting less torque through the gearbox - only 145 ft lbs out of its 2 liter engine. I'm not sure why Ford has not tooted more about having a Getrag, but last weeks Autoweek featured the Focus Ford Focus SVT article from Autoweek. You are also correct on the torque number. Ford has made tweeks to increas both HP and torque, although the torque increase is not substantial. Picked up 12 July 2002. 69,000 rev happy miles Autocrossing in G Stock this year!!!

Dec 19th, 2001, 05:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
DeniseK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico Local Time: 03:14 AM Posts: 297 Offline	6 forward gears? Now I may be wrong, and usually am, but I was looking at the gear shift for the Cooper S on miniusa.com, and the gear layout seems to be 5 forward gears, one reverse gear. Is this what is being touted as 6 gears? DeniseK DeniseK

Dec 19th, 2001, 05:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
MINIMiller Sham's apprentice Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Virginia Local Time: 05:14 AM Posts: 741 Offline	Go in to the interior specs section for the Cooper S, and click on the hot link for the Getrag gearbox. You will be able to see a picture of it there. Definately six forward gears. You must have seen the picture for the standard Cooper. Picked up 12 July 2002. 69,000 rev happy miles Autocrossing in G Stock this year!!!

Dec 20th, 2001, 07:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:14 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Re: 6 forward gears? Quote: Originally posted by DeniseK Now I may be wrong, and usually am, but I was looking at the gear shift for the Cooper S on miniusa.com, and the gear layout seems to be 5 forward gears, one reverse gear. Is this what is being touted as 6 gears? DeniseK It is a 6 forward geared manual Getrag Gearbox.......+ an reverse for going backwards.....or forwards going backwards.....in which case six reverse gears and one for going backwords forward.......

Dec 20th, 2001, 07:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:14 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	SIX SPEED + REVERSE For the doubters: - (Credit for this picture goes to ADO15 who posted scans of the only "S" brochure known to currently exist in the whole MINI2 universe) Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Basil : Dec 20th, 2001 at 07:33 AM.

Dec 21st, 2001, 04:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
pbraun Summer Splasher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: in or near my MINI Local Time: 05:14 AM Posts: 661 Offline	6 That's very cool. I want one ! Ride on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4l65QGCGzY BLOG: http://peterbraunblog.wordpress.com

Dec 22nd, 2001, 11:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:14 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Close Ratio Quote: Originally posted by pbraun That's very cool. I want one ! Have you seen the Gear Ratios on the miniusa.com site. Thats a very short shifting gearbox. Not sure why it doesn't have a final drive ratio listed though....any explainations over and above that they forgot to state it ? cheers

Dec 23rd, 2001, 09:35 AM	#15 (permalink)
Viscount Charles MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 09:14 AM Posts: 449 Offline	Final drive ratio is given as 3.94:1 followed by a "?" Ordered my "S" August '01. Arrived July '02. EB with white roof, wheels and stripes, Chili pack, DSC and climate control. Hate those 17" runflats though. Can now be seen all over the West Midlands, as a blue blur passing everything at speed

Dec 23rd, 2001, 09:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
OnlyS4me Loves Leecey Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Broads Local Time: 10:14 AM Posts: 4,759 Offline	Re: SIX SPEED + REVERSE Quote: Originally posted by Basil For the doubters: - (Credit for this picture goes to ADO15 who posted scans of the only "S" brochure known to currently exist in the whole MINI2 universe) No.... I've got it too. That's one benefit of being at the Essen Motor Show besides being all over the real thing !

Dec 23rd, 2001, 06:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:14 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Viscount Charles Final drive ratio is given as 3.94:1 followed by a "?" yea, the "?" is appropriate. I doubt if thats the correct final drive ratio....should be much closer to 1:1 shouldn't it ?

Dec 24th, 2001, 03:45 AM	#18 (permalink)
Viscount Charles MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 09:14 AM Posts: 449 Offline	The final drive ratio in the Rover Minis vary between about 3.6:1 and 4.1:1. Higher top speed with the second, vs better acceleration with the first, IIRC. So 3.9-ish isn't out of the ballpark, but might be considered a little long by the smoking-tyre brigade. Ordered my "S" August '01. Arrived July '02. EB with white roof, wheels and stripes, Chili pack, DSC and climate control. Hate those 17" runflats though. Can now be seen all over the West Midlands, as a blue blur passing everything at speed

Dec 24th, 2001, 03:50 AM	#19 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:14 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Re: Re: SIX SPEED + REVERSE Quote: Originally posted by OnlyS4me No.... I've got it too. That's one benefit of being at the Essen Motor Show besides being all over the real thing ! Sigh!.....geez your lucky. And another interesting thing......I didn't get an e-mail regarding your post......thats a first...I wonder how many others I've missed.......Hmm.. Mind you, Paul Mullett made me a Dalek, and I've got a 1:43rd Scale model of the Cooper from BMW Australia for Christmas so I shouldn't complain too much hey !. Merry christmas OnlyS4me

Dec 24th, 2001, 03:53 AM	#20 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:14 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Viscount Charles The final drive ratio in the Rover Minis vary between about 3.6:1 and 4.1:1. Higher top speed with the second, vs better acceleration with the first, IIRC. So 3.9-ish isn't out of the ballpark, but might be considered a little long by the smoking-tyre brigade. Makes sense, thanks...

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