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GHMCS · Apr 17th, 2003, 09:25 PM

WHat's the difference between the Performance run-flats and the All Season run-flats that come on the S with 17" wheels? What is the tire brand for each (in the US)? I ordered mine with the all season but if the Performance tires have good wet capability, I'll get those instead.

MiniTiger · Apr 17th, 2003, 11:17 PM

For performance run-flats you get Pirelli or Dunlops.

I got Pirelli and they are wearing fast compared to Dunlops.

I don't know what you get for All season runflats.

MINIAC · Apr 17th, 2003, 11:42 PM

17" OEM tires are listed in the FAQ on factory wheels:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/thread3494_.html

The all-season tires are extremely heavy

Discussions of OEM performance tire handling in the wet can be found by doing a

ALL forum posts for dunlop* pirelli* wet showing threads.

I don't think you get to choose which performance tire when ordering.

GordonD · Apr 18th, 2003, 01:16 AM

Don't get 4 season tires - they are bad summer tires and bad winter tires!

Dark Silver S · Apr 18th, 2003, 02:30 AM

My dealer told me that the Dunlop runflats were all-season.

GordonD · Apr 18th, 2003, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SCooperS
My dealer told me that the Dunlop runflats were all-season.

only if 3 of the seasons are fall and the other one summer - downright undrivable in the snow

SilverGAGT · Apr 18th, 2003, 02:38 AM

I think there is some controversy. I was first told the Dunlops were all-season, and the Pirellis were performance. Then I saw an S with Goodyear Eagle RSA's and was told those were the all-season. I have the all seasons coming (mainly for treadwear purposes), but I don't think I'll be fond of the RSA's again (I had them on my current car).

EDIT: Just read the FAQ....no controversy, just bad info initially I guess.

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Apr 18th, 2003, 02:41 AM

I got the crapyear, I mean Goodyear RS-A all-seasons. The 17" wheel/tire weigh 50-lb (as measured on my bathroom scale). The winter performance of the RS-A's wasn't that bad ... for an all-season. Certainly nothing like a real snow tire. My summer wheels/tires save 16.5 lb per corner of unsprung weight!

GordonD · Apr 18th, 2003, 02:42 AM

thh SP 9000s are DEFINATElY NOT safe for Winter driving. i had Pirelli w210 on until a couple of weeks ago and then switched back to my Dunlops. 2 days later we had snow and I can tell you without question they are utterly undrivable in any type of icy road. Just about make do in light snow but useless after it packs down.

I would think in Ohio you are going to need decent snow tires so get decent summers as well - costs about the same over 3 years.

MINIAC · Apr 18th, 2003, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SCooperS

My dealer told me that the Dunlop runflats were all-season.

The Dunlop SP Sport 5000A tires fitted to 16" OEM wheels are all-season.

Apr 18th, 2003, 04:19 AM

Don't get performance tires, just get the all seasons and then buy a lightweight wheel tire combo. The preformance tires are a joke because the wheel is so heavy, and they are runflats so they are also heavy.

-Andrew

MINIAC · Apr 18th, 2003, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Don't get performance tires, just get the all seasons and then buy a lightweight wheel tire combo. The preformance tires are a joke because the wheel is so heavy, and they are runflats so they are also heavy.

The Goodyear runflats [30lb] are heavy while the Dunlop and Pirelli runflats [around 22lb each] are comparable in weight to many conventional replacements:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=26424

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Apr 18th, 2003, 04:53 AM

As I mentioned, I think the Goodyear runflats are lighter than that (about 25 lb). My wheel and tire together weigh 50 lb.

MINIAC · Apr 18th, 2003, 04:55 AM

Haven't actually weighed the Goodyears ... just quoting the weight provided by the manufacturer

Apr 18th, 2003, 04:56 AM

50 lbs?????????? thats really heavy. Light weight wheels weigh about 15 lbs, and with tires they should weigh about 30. Not 50

Andy@Ross-Tech.com · Apr 18th, 2003, 04:56 AM

No matter how you slice it (30 lb or 25 lb) they're still pigs.

MINIAC · Apr 18th, 2003, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by L8 Apex

50 lbs?????????? thats really heavy. Light weight wheels weigh about 15 lbs, and with tires they should weigh about 30. Not 50

18lb is the lightest I've been quoted for a 205/xx-17 tire:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=26424

Apr 17th, 2003, 09:25 PM	#1
GHMCS MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 05:23 AM Posts: 35 Offline	question about tires on the S... WHat's the difference between the Performance run-flats and the All Season run-flats that come on the S with 17" wheels? What is the tire brand for each (in the US)? I ordered mine with the all season but if the Performance tires have good wet capability, I'll get those instead. G H Mason

Apr 17th, 2003, 11:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
MiniTiger MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Apex, NC Local Time: 06:23 AM Posts: 197 Offline	For performance run-flats you get Pirelli or Dunlops. I got Pirelli and they are wearing fast compared to Dunlops. I don't know what you get for All season runflats. '03 LY/B MCS

Apr 18th, 2003, 01:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
GordonD MINI2 Master Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ont, Ca Local Time: 06:23 AM Posts: 781 Offline	Don't get 4 season tires - they are bad summer tires and bad winter tires! aka KWKSLVR Member: Southern Ontario MINI Club BMW Club of Canada - Trillium Chapter

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Dark Silver S Ultimate Stealth Machine Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wilkes County NC Local Time: 04:23 AM Posts: 798 Offline	My dealer told me that the Dunlop runflats were all-season. Dark Silver S http://revorg.org/images/mmg.gif Now in Wilkes County NC

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GordonD MINI2 Master Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ont, Ca Local Time: 06:23 AM Posts: 781 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by SCooperS My dealer told me that the Dunlop runflats were all-season. only if 3 of the seasons are fall and the other one summer - downright undrivable in the snow aka KWKSLVR Member: Southern Ontario MINI Club BMW Club of Canada - Trillium Chapter

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Apr 17th, 2003, 11:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:23 AM Posts: 8,527 Offline	17" OEM tires are listed in the FAQ on factory wheels: http://www.mini2.com/forum/thread3494_.html The all-season tires are extremely heavy Discussions of OEM performance tire handling in the wet can be found by doing a ALL forum posts for dunlop* pirelli* wet showing threads. I don't think you get to choose which performance tire when ordering.

Apr 18th, 2003, 02:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
SilverGAGT Mr BlueMiniS Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Local Time: 06:23 AM Posts: 185 Offline	I think there is some controversy. I was first told the Dunlops were all-season, and the Pirellis were performance. Then I saw an S with Goodyear Eagle RSA's and was told those were the all-season. I have the all seasons coming (mainly for treadwear purposes), but I don't think I'll be fond of the RSA's again (I had them on my current car). EDIT: Just read the FAQ....no controversy, just bad info initially I guess.

Apr 18th, 2003, 02:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 06:23 AM Posts: 1,338 Offline	I got the crapyear, I mean Goodyear RS-A all-seasons. The 17" wheel/tire weigh 50-lb (as measured on my bathroom scale). The winter performance of the RS-A's wasn't that bad ... for an all-season. Certainly nothing like a real snow tire. My summer wheels/tires save 16.5 lb per corner of unsprung weight! '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Apr 18th, 2003, 02:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
GordonD MINI2 Master Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ont, Ca Local Time: 06:23 AM Posts: 781 Offline	thh SP 9000s are DEFINATElY NOT safe for Winter driving. i had Pirelli w210 on until a couple of weeks ago and then switched back to my Dunlops. 2 days later we had snow and I can tell you without question they are utterly undrivable in any type of icy road. Just about make do in light snow but useless after it packs down. I would think in Ohio you are going to need decent snow tires so get decent summers as well - costs about the same over 3 years. aka KWKSLVR Member: Southern Ontario MINI Club BMW Club of Canada - Trillium Chapter

Apr 18th, 2003, 03:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:23 AM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by SCooperS My dealer told me that the Dunlop runflats were all-season. The Dunlop SP Sport 5000A tires fitted to 16" OEM wheels are all-season.

Apr 18th, 2003, 04:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
L8 Apex Posts: n/a	Don't get performance tires, just get the all seasons and then buy a lightweight wheel tire combo. The preformance tires are a joke because the wheel is so heavy, and they are runflats so they are also heavy. -Andrew

Apr 18th, 2003, 04:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:23 AM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Quote: Don't get performance tires, just get the all seasons and then buy a lightweight wheel tire combo. The preformance tires are a joke because the wheel is so heavy, and they are runflats so they are also heavy. The Goodyear runflats [30lb] are heavy while the Dunlop and Pirelli runflats [around 22lb each] are comparable in weight to many conventional replacements: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=26424

Apr 18th, 2003, 04:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 06:23 AM Posts: 1,338 Offline	As I mentioned, I think the Goodyear runflats are lighter than that (about 25 lb). My wheel and tire together weigh 50 lb. '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Apr 18th, 2003, 04:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:23 AM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Haven't actually weighed the Goodyears ... just quoting the weight provided by the manufacturer

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Apr 18th, 2003, 04:56 AM	#15 (permalink)
L8 Apex Posts: n/a	50 lbs?????????? thats really heavy. Light weight wheels weigh about 15 lbs, and with tires they should weigh about 30. Not 50

Apr 18th, 2003, 04:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
Andy@Ross-Tech.com MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lansdale, PA Local Time: 06:23 AM Posts: 1,338 Offline	No matter how you slice it (30 lb or 25 lb) they're still pigs. '03 MCS The Unofficial MINI 1/4 Mile Dragracing Database

Apr 18th, 2003, 05:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 03:23 AM Posts: 8,527 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by L8 Apex 50 lbs?????????? thats really heavy. Light weight wheels weigh about 15 lbs, and with tires they should weigh about 30. Not 50 18lb is the lightest I've been quoted for a 205/xx-17 tire: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=26424

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