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weejinky · May 7th, 2003, 08:11 PM

I put my deposit down for a DS/B MCS almost 1 week ago. My friend and I have been looking for cars for a couple of months and I was the first to buy. Now I want to know whether the car I have bought is going to whip his new cars ass. The cars he is looking to buy one of are:

Toyota MR2 T-Bar (90's shape)
Mitsubishi FTO (non MIVEC)
Alfa Romeo 145 Cloverleaf
Nissan 200sx Turbo (Late 90's shape) or
VW Golf VR6 (Last shape)

Now has anyone driven any of these cars or raced (where racing is legal) any of these cars. I am less concerned about straight line speed, more through the twisties.

Also I would like to know what cars my new MCS is going to be faster than. So what cars have you had good contests with and what cars should I avoid like the plague!

laz · May 7th, 2003, 08:19 PM

haha .. they won't stand a chance .... especially if we are talking about anything non-straight...

i just kept up with a porsche turbo today

he gave me the thumbs up ... didnt even need to push the car

laz · May 7th, 2003, 08:19 PM

i mean to the limits

LuckyRVA · May 7th, 2003, 08:21 PM

If the MR2 is the turbo model, then you may be beat. They have great handling and decently fast (200hp, in the states anyways) faster than the S stock, and very easy to get high horsepower.

Although if he gets a 90 or 91 tell him to watch out for snap overstear!!!

Jason

Tonyt3 · May 7th, 2003, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by weejinky
I put my deposit down for a DS/B MCS almost 1 week ago. My friend and I have been looking for cars for a couple of months and I was the first to buy. Now I want to know whether the car I have bought is going to whip his new cars ass. The cars he is looking to buy one of are:

Toyota MR2 T-Bar (90's shape)
Mitsubishi FTO (non MIVEC)
Alfa Romeo 145 Cloverleaf
Nissan 200sx Turbo (Late 90's shape) or
VW Golf VR6 (Last shape)

Now has anyone driven any of these cars or raced (where racing is legal ) any of these cars. I am less concerned about straight line speed, more through the twisties.

Also I would like to know what cars my new MCS is going to be faster than. So what cars have you had good contests with and what cars should I avoid like the plague!

The guy that runs this web site (Paul Mullett) will not let you post threads about illegal or immoral practices such as 'racing', unless it is clear that such contests take place on tracks and not public roads, so take care in your wording etc...... a 'winking smilie' doesn't cover it I don't think...

Personal opinion is that the the MCS is not the right car if you want to go 'drag racing' (straight line racing/stop light derbys etc) its power to weight ratio is just not favourable enough. However, point to point over 'twisties', the MCS should theroetically 'have' most of the cars you have mentioned.... Perhaps the Nissan and the VW would put up a good fight, but its not really the car that matters, but the skill of the driver.... Remember, the original mini won the rally races based on its nimbleness and drivability, not Horsepower or Top end speed...

weejinky · May 7th, 2003, 08:25 PM

I think that the MR2 T-bar is 158BHP from the factory. But finding an MR2 that has had nowt done to it would be tough!

Tonyt3 · May 7th, 2003, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LuckyRVA
If the MR2 is the turbo model, then you may be beat. They have great handling and decently fast (200hp, in the states anyways) faster than the S stock, and very easy to get high horsepower.

Although if he gets a 90 or 91 tell him to watch out for snap overstear!!!

Jason

Hade a '90 Gti MR2. Parked it in the trees. Absoulutly pants car. Thats British for 5h1t BTW

weejinky · May 7th, 2003, 08:32 PM

Tony*t3, if I had wanted a drag race car I would have bought a Supra. The reason I went for the MINI was cornering and coolness. Anyway drag racing is such a crap thing to do. It is not really a test of driver skill. If it was the driving test would be:

Start up
Drive straight for a few minutes
Stop

weejinky · May 7th, 2003, 08:36 PM

Thanks for the tip LuckRVA. I will pass it on.

Tonyt3 · May 7th, 2003, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by weejinky
Tony*t3, if I had wanted a drag race car I would have bought a Supra. The reason I went for the MINI was cornering and coolness. Anyway drag racing is such a crap thing to do. It is not really a test of driver skill. If it was the driving test would be:

Start up
Drive straight for a few minutes
Stop

Sorry mate, misread your original quote.... got what you said exactly the wrong way around.... which I am glad at!! A good driver at the wheels of an 'S' would have all these cars for lunch I reckon....

A poor driver however might find it more difficult to beat the Golf... The MR2 would just spin off the road at the nearest bend too...

weejinky · May 7th, 2003, 09:21 PM

No worries Tony. I would never encourage street racing, unless you owned the street. I am glad to hear tho that you think any of his new cars would be beatable.

What chance against an Honda R6?

Tonyt3 · May 7th, 2003, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by weejinky
No worries Tony. I would never encourage street racing, unless you owned the street. I am glad to hear tho that you think any of his new cars would be beatable.

What chance against an Honda R6?

Don't know much about Bikes, but would say 'no chance' of the MCS even being near.....

Bike/car performance are on different planets generally, even Supercars get blown away by Bikes, except straight line on the autobahn.... and we've been there with this one!!!

Yex · May 7th, 2003, 11:36 PM

Quote:

What chance against an Honda R6?

Yamaha make the R6

and you won't get within a mile of it on any road

Yex

MrWhoa · May 7th, 2003, 11:41 PM

You can FORGET beating any decent sport bike, and especially an R6. Im a big supersport bike fan, been riding for 7 years, and bikes are a whole different world of fast. An R1 for example has 134hp and weights 384pounds.... Do the math.

cliffywong · May 7th, 2003, 11:57 PM

The only problem you might have is with the VR6

But I agree with everyone else it's really the skill of the driver.

Rich-UK · May 8th, 2003, 12:16 AM

I had a Golf VR6, and it accelerated a bit quicker and had a higher top speed (did an indicated 150mph when I went to Germany), but even though I had sports suspension on mine, my MCS would still murder it round the bends ;-)

It also cost me £10,000 more than a base MCS

Charger_Pete · May 8th, 2003, 12:22 AM

Forget the VR6, it doesnt handle for toffee! Too much torque for that flimsy Golf chassis. I am really surprised that nobody has mentioned the Alfa yet. Ok: it has crap reliability and shoddy build quality but at the end of the day, the Italians know how to make a car go round bends and the Cloverleaf is no exception. If any of the cars are gonna give you a run around the corners i say the cloverleaf is the one to be most worried about.

Cheers

minimee · May 8th, 2003, 02:06 AM

My mate is giving me all mouth about the MCS I'm getting being a girls car and he has a Nissan 200sx. I'm not sure that I'd beat his in a straight line but I'm telling him I'll 'av him in the twisties. Anyone driven a 200sx? Am I right to be saying this? Or is he gonna send me home with my tail between my legs?

Greg

northandy · May 8th, 2003, 03:10 AM

i've driven a 200sx.... I would say its not as nimble as the mini, yeah it has grunt, but IMO more of a tourer... dont get me wrong the 200sx is a good car... but the MCS is a "great" car !!!!

weejinky · May 8th, 2003, 03:53 PM

Thanks very much. I may have to print this thread out when he buys his new car.

Charger_Pete, you make a good point about the Alfa. It has 150BHP and is normally aspirated. It is also quite a light car. I looked at your gallery, very nice car!

May 7th, 2003, 08:11 PM	#1
weejinky MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 06:41 AM Posts: 95 Offline	MINI Cooper S v's Opponent I put my deposit down for a DS/B MCS almost 1 week ago. My friend and I have been looking for cars for a couple of months and I was the first to buy. Now I want to know whether the car I have bought is going to whip his new cars ass. The cars he is looking to buy one of are: Toyota MR2 T-Bar (90's shape) Mitsubishi FTO (non MIVEC) Alfa Romeo 145 Cloverleaf Nissan 200sx Turbo (Late 90's shape) or VW Golf VR6 (Last shape) Now has anyone driven any of these cars or raced (where racing is legal) any of these cars. I am less concerned about straight line speed, more through the twisties. Also I would like to know what cars my new MCS is going to be faster than. So what cars have you had good contests with and what cars should I avoid like the plague! Last edited by weejinky : May 7th, 2003 at 08:42 PM.

May 7th, 2003, 08:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
LuckyRVA 1.6 Litres of fury!!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Queens, NYC Local Time: 02:41 AM Posts: 1,277 Offline	If the MR2 is the turbo model, then you may be beat. They have great handling and decently fast (200hp, in the states anyways) faster than the S stock, and very easy to get high horsepower. Although if he gets a 90 or 91 tell him to watch out for snap overstear!!! Jason 2002 Dark Silver Cooper S w/ white roof. SOLD

May 7th, 2003, 08:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 07:41 AM Posts: 6,258 Offline	Re: MINI Cooper S v's Opponent Quote: Originally posted by weejinky I put my deposit down for a DS/B MCS almost 1 week ago. My friend and I have been looking for cars for a couple of months and I was the first to buy. Now I want to know whether the car I have bought is going to whip his new cars ass. The cars he is looking to buy one of are: Toyota MR2 T-Bar (90's shape) Mitsubishi FTO (non MIVEC) Alfa Romeo 145 Cloverleaf Nissan 200sx Turbo (Late 90's shape) or VW Golf VR6 (Last shape) Now has anyone driven any of these cars or raced (where racing is legal ) any of these cars. I am less concerned about straight line speed, more through the twisties. Also I would like to know what cars my new MCS is going to be faster than. So what cars have you had good contests with and what cars should I avoid like the plague! The guy that runs this web site (Paul Mullett) will not let you post threads about illegal or immoral practices such as 'racing', unless it is clear that such contests take place on tracks and not public roads, so take care in your wording etc...... a 'winking smilie' doesn't cover it I don't think... Personal opinion is that the the MCS is not the right car if you want to go 'drag racing' (straight line racing/stop light derbys etc) its power to weight ratio is just not favourable enough. However, point to point over 'twisties', the MCS should theroetically 'have' most of the cars you have mentioned.... Perhaps the Nissan and the VW would put up a good fight, but its not really the car that matters, but the skill of the driver.... Remember, the original mini won the rally races based on its nimbleness and drivability, not Horsepower or Top end speed...

May 7th, 2003, 11:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Yex MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Essex Local Time: 06:41 AM Posts: 83 Offline	Quote: What chance against an Honda R6? Yamaha make the R6 and you won't get within a mile of it on any road Yex Scream if you want to go faster !!!

May 7th, 2003, 11:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
MrWhoa MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pensacola FL Local Time: 01:41 AM Posts: 284 Offline	You can FORGET beating any decent sport bike, and especially an R6. Im a big supersport bike fan, been riding for 7 years, and bikes are a whole different world of fast. An R1 for example has 134hp and weights 384pounds.... Do the math. Mr Whoa Everytime you mod a Mini a VW cries. WARNING! Looking at my gallery has been known to cause brain damage

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May 7th, 2003, 08:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
laz MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 04:41 PM Posts: 65 Offline	haha .. they won't stand a chance .... especially if we are talking about anything non-straight... i just kept up with a porsche turbo today he gave me the thumbs up ... didnt even need to push the car

May 7th, 2003, 08:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
laz MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 04:41 PM Posts: 65 Offline	i mean to the limits

May 7th, 2003, 08:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
weejinky MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 06:41 AM Posts: 95 Offline	I think that the MR2 T-bar is 158BHP from the factory. But finding an MR2 that has had nowt done to it would be tough!

May 7th, 2003, 08:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 07:41 AM Posts: 6,258 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by LuckyRVA If the MR2 is the turbo model, then you may be beat. They have great handling and decently fast (200hp, in the states anyways) faster than the S stock, and very easy to get high horsepower. Although if he gets a 90 or 91 tell him to watch out for snap overstear!!! Jason Hade a '90 Gti MR2. Parked it in the trees. Absoulutly pants car. Thats British for 5h1t BTW

May 7th, 2003, 08:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
weejinky MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 06:41 AM Posts: 95 Offline	Tony*t3, if I had wanted a drag race car I would have bought a Supra. The reason I went for the MINI was cornering and coolness. Anyway drag racing is such a crap thing to do. It is not really a test of driver skill. If it was the driving test would be: Start up Drive straight for a few minutes Stop

May 7th, 2003, 08:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
weejinky MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 06:41 AM Posts: 95 Offline	Thanks for the tip LuckRVA. I will pass it on.

May 7th, 2003, 09:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 07:41 AM Posts: 6,258 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by weejinky Tony*t3, if I had wanted a drag race car I would have bought a Supra. The reason I went for the MINI was cornering and coolness. Anyway drag racing is such a crap thing to do. It is not really a test of driver skill. If it was the driving test would be: Start up Drive straight for a few minutes Stop Sorry mate, misread your original quote.... got what you said exactly the wrong way around.... which I am glad at!! A good driver at the wheels of an 'S' would have all these cars for lunch I reckon.... A poor driver however might find it more difficult to beat the Golf... The MR2 would just spin off the road at the nearest bend too...

May 7th, 2003, 09:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
weejinky MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 06:41 AM Posts: 95 Offline	No worries Tony. I would never encourage street racing, unless you owned the street. I am glad to hear tho that you think any of his new cars would be beatable. What chance against an Honda R6?

May 7th, 2003, 09:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 07:41 AM Posts: 6,258 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by weejinky No worries Tony. I would never encourage street racing, unless you owned the street. I am glad to hear tho that you think any of his new cars would be beatable. What chance against an Honda R6? Don't know much about Bikes, but would say 'no chance' of the MCS even being near..... Bike/car performance are on different planets generally, even Supercars get blown away by Bikes, except straight line on the autobahn.... and we've been there with this one!!!

May 7th, 2003, 11:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
cliffywong MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2003 Location: H.K. Local Time: 02:41 PM Posts: 524 Offline	The only problem you might have is with the VR6 But I agree with everyone else it's really the skill of the driver.

May 8th, 2003, 12:16 AM	#16 (permalink)
Rich-UK MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bucks, UK Local Time: 07:41 AM Posts: 253 Offline	I had a Golf VR6, and it accelerated a bit quicker and had a higher top speed (did an indicated 150mph when I went to Germany), but even though I had sports suspension on mine, my MCS would still murder it round the bends ;-) It also cost me £10,000 more than a base MCS 2002 Porsche Boxster

May 8th, 2003, 12:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
Charger_Pete Mini 2 Slap Head Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Coventry Local Time: 07:41 AM Posts: 426 Offline	Forget the VR6, it doesnt handle for toffee! Too much torque for that flimsy Golf chassis. I am really surprised that nobody has mentioned the Alfa yet. Ok: it has crap reliability and shoddy build quality but at the end of the day, the Italians know how to make a car go round bends and the Cloverleaf is no exception. If any of the cars are gonna give you a run around the corners i say the cloverleaf is the one to be most worried about. Cheers

May 8th, 2003, 02:06 AM	#18 (permalink)
minimee MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Leicester Local Time: 07:41 AM Posts: 99 Offline	My mate is giving me all mouth about the MCS I'm getting being a girls car and he has a Nissan 200sx. I'm not sure that I'd beat his in a straight line but I'm telling him I'll 'av him in the twisties. Anyone driven a 200sx? Am I right to be saying this? Or is he gonna send me home with my tail between my legs? Greg http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/minimee/sig.jpg

May 8th, 2003, 03:10 AM	#19 (permalink)
northandy AWOL My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 07:41 AM Posts: 14,631 Offline	i've driven a 200sx.... I would say its not as nimble as the mini, yeah it has grunt, but IMO more of a tourer... dont get me wrong the 200sx is a good car... but the MCS is a "great" car !!!!

May 8th, 2003, 03:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
weejinky MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Glasgow Local Time: 06:41 AM Posts: 95 Offline	Thanks very much. I may have to print this thread out when he buys his new car. Charger_Pete, you make a good point about the Alfa. It has 150BHP and is normally aspirated. It is also quite a light car. I looked at your gallery, very nice car!

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