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Rakey · Feb 2nd, 2004, 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AidenL

I have heard people wonder if you car has a brake pedal Paul.........

perhaps its a mod to be planned in?

dietcokeplease · Feb 2nd, 2004, 08:09 PM

Rakey,

If you're going for the non-runflats I would recommend rotating the tyres just to wear them out - despite what the beanie says. If you've paid for them you may as well wreck 'em.

My Mums E320 Merc is mega-low mileage - 10 years old and about 45k on the clock. I've binned two sets of tyres because they started cracking after about 4 years. Ageing tyres = hard rubber = less grip.

If you want absolute mileage I'd recommend Michelin Pilot Sports - I replaced mine on the Saab after 30k with about 3mm of tread still left. I hated them - poor in nearly all conditions.

I've also tried Bridgestone S02's and found that they were mid-longevity, high dry grip and good wet grip. They have a dual layer compound which theoretically gives you a new set of rubber as they wear but I found that they go "off" really quickly.

I've been a fan of Goodyear Eagle F1's - I rate wet grip and braking more than dry. Most people don't corner using 100% of their car or their driving ability, so I find that most decent rubber is fairly evenly matched. The F1's are a fairly soft tyre and wear quickly but I find they resist aquaplaning so much more. Only major problem with the soft construction is the number of punctures. But that said non-runflat F1's are easily obtained off the shelf. There's a new F1 out now, the GS-D3, which I've had fitted on my Mums A-Class. It's a definite improvement and the tread is visibly more aggressive.

And finally my Dads runabout - a 93' Honda Accord Auto that has about 198k on the clock. I fitted some of those cheapo tyres from Kwik Fit. The tyres are called Debica and cost £60 for 4 tyres. Absolutely lethal in the wet or dry!

ABG · Feb 2nd, 2004, 08:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

perhaps its a mod to be planned in?

I thought the dealer said going by his last MINI he just wears a hole in the floor pan and sticks his foot out (Fred Flintstone style!

).

Please note: I'm not saying this - it was reported to me and I am only repeating the conversation.

And I have notes so don't go there Hutton

dietcokeplease · Feb 2nd, 2004, 08:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ABG

I thought the dealer said going by his last MINI he just wears a hole in the floor pan and sticks his foot out (Fred Flintstone style!

).

Please note: I'm not saying this - it was reported to me and I am only repeating the conversation.

And I have notes so don't go there Hutton

You don't need notes as you can be sure that Hutton will fudge the issue.

Maybe we should get him to do a JCW/Hartge/BBR-GTi/GGR report?

Rakey · Feb 2nd, 2004, 08:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dietcokeplease

Rakey,

If you're going for the non-runflats I would recommend rotating the tyres just to wear them out - despite what the beanie says. If you've paid for them you may as well wreck 'em.

My Mums E320 Merc is mega-low mileage - 10 years old and about 45k on the clock. I've binned two sets of tyres because they started cracking after about 4 years. Ageing tyres = hard rubber = less grip.

If you want absolute mileage I'd recommend Michelin Pilot Sports - I replaced mine on the Saab after 30k with about 3mm of tread still left. I hated them - poor in nearly all conditions.

I've also tried Bridgestone S02's and found that they were mid-longevity, high dry grip and good wet grip. They have a dual layer compound which theoretically gives you a new set of rubber as they wear but I found that they go "off" really quickly.

I've been a fan of Goodyear Eagle F1's - I rate wet grip and braking more than dry. Most people don't corner using 100% of their car or their driving ability, so I find that most decent rubber is fairly evenly matched. The F1's are a fairly soft tyre and wear quickly but I find they resist aquaplaning so much more. Only major problem with the soft construction is the number of punctures. But that said non-runflat F1's are easily obtained off the shelf. There's a new F1 out now, the GS-D3, which I've had fitted on my Mums A-Class. It's a definite improvement and the tread is visibly more aggressive.

And finally my Dads runabout - a 93' Honda Accord Auto that has about 198k on the clock. I fitted some of those cheapo tyres from Kwik Fit. The tyres are called Debica and cost £60 for 4 tyres. Absolutely lethal in the wet or dry!

thanks DCP, you got any views on the Pirellis, the Runflats, and the non-runflats?

Shamster · Feb 2nd, 2004, 09:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dietcokeplease

Rakey,

If you're going for the non-runflats I would recommend rotating the tyres just to wear them out - despite what the beanie says. If you've paid for them you may as well wreck 'em.

My Mums E320 Merc is mega-low mileage - 10 years old and about 45k on the clock. I've binned two sets of tyres because they started cracking after about 4 years. Ageing tyres = hard rubber = less grip.

If you want absolute mileage I'd recommend Michelin Pilot Sports - I replaced mine on the Saab after 30k with about 3mm of tread still left. I hated them - poor in nearly all conditions.

I've also tried Bridgestone S02's and found that they were mid-longevity, high dry grip and good wet grip. They have a dual layer compound which theoretically gives you a new set of rubber as they wear but I found that they go "off" really quickly.

I've been a fan of Goodyear Eagle F1's - I rate wet grip and braking more than dry. Most people don't corner using 100% of their car or their driving ability, so I find that most decent rubber is fairly evenly matched. The F1's are a fairly soft tyre and wear quickly but I find they resist aquaplaning so much more. Only major problem with the soft construction is the number of punctures. But that said non-runflat F1's are easily obtained off the shelf. There's a new F1 out now, the GS-D3, which I've had fitted on my Mums A-Class. It's a definite improvement and the tread is visibly more aggressive.

And finally my Dads runabout - a 93' Honda Accord Auto that has about 198k on the clock. I fitted some of those cheapo tyres from Kwik Fit. The tyres are called Debica and cost £60 for 4 tyres. Absolutely lethal in the wet or dry!

<------------ says this is proof that DCP is the ideal "phone a friend" for Millionaire!

ABG · Feb 2nd, 2004, 09:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dietcokeplease

You don't need notes as you can be sure that Hutton will fudge the issue.

Maybe we should get him to do a JCW/Hartge/BBR-GTi/GGR report?

LOL - I bet it wouldn't be the typical "they are all good but I prefer..." type report!

We could save time (and money) and just find out which one Tony prefers! Wild guess but it'll be the same

ABG · Feb 2nd, 2004, 09:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by shamster

<------------ says this is proof that DCP is the ideal "phone a friend" for Millionaire!

But what would be the question...?

mad brummie · Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by shamster

forget all this talk about which tyres are marginally better - I've said it before and I'll say it again. It will be far more useful to do some kind of advanced driving course. That will more than make up for the 'deficiencies' in the tyres!

. Anyone want to organise one?

i've done both the IAM and the RoSPA advanced drivers courses and can recommend, either or both. The more people who understand how to drive a car on the road properly and drive safely the better IMO. Unfortunately the dangerous people always think they are better than they are (generally rubbish) amd they are the ones you need to worry about.

*gets down off soap box

Martin L · Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mad brummie

i've done both the IAM and the RoSPA advanced drivers courses and can recommend, either or both. The more people who understand how to drive a car on the road properly and drive safely the better IMO. Unfortunately the dangerous people always think they are better than they are (generally rubbish) amd they are the ones you need to worry about.

So that's why you never follow me

It must be said after my "off" I'll never drive a car at 90-95% of it's limits, that just doesn't leave enough capacity for the unexpected to happen

A lesson learnt the hard way, but a lesson learnt never the less

Proud to be a puddler

Paul · Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:18 PM

One view I've taken for quite a while when considering how I'm driving is "If I'm coming the other way, is it safe to....." (insert over take, take this bend, etc.) I wish more people would think about that, especially on country lanes!

Shamster · Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett

One view I've taken for quite a while when considering how I'm driving is "If I'm coming the other way, is it safe to....." (insert over take, take this bend, etc.) I wish more people would think about that, especially on country lanes!

yes - very valid point. Not only do we have Land Rovers overtaking on bends to contend with but a fair possibility that one or two Subaru's

or Elises

might also be out enjoying the roads.

mad brummie · Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:28 PM

the adage runs of, always be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear on your side of the road. Or on a single track road, half the distance as someone else has to be able to do the same.

What this doesn't allow for is the fact that the person coming in the other direction may be going too fast, then you have a problem, but if you played everything 100% safe you'd never leave the house. Driving is a risk, one we take everytime we get behind the wheel or get into the passenger seat.

Washy · Feb 4th, 2004, 07:30 AM

Well it was nice to pop out for a while but it is even nicer to be home.....the old comfy speccing thread

Thanos · Feb 4th, 2004, 07:37 AM

After yesterdays laser eye operation I got its nice to see you all again (clearer - no glasses or contacts)

It is still a bit foggy but is getting better.

SoggyCornFlakes · Feb 4th, 2004, 07:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by washy

Well it was nice to pop out for a while but it is even nicer to be home.....the old comfy speccing thread

it was fun being on tour though

Washy · Feb 4th, 2004, 07:50 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by SoggyCornFlakes

it was fun being on tour though

Oh yes the booze, the drugs, the groupies......

AidenL · Feb 4th, 2004, 08:26 AM

Ahh........home............

Hope you are feeling well Thanos, you picked a good day to be away.........

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Feb 2nd, 2004, 07:50 PM	#10061
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AidenL I have heard people wonder if you car has a brake pedal Paul......... perhaps its a mod to be planned in? Its only a forum you know!

Feb 2nd, 2004, 08:09 PM	#10062 (permalink)
dietcokeplease Official MINI2 Fluffer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Spearmint Rhino Local Time: 03:39 AM Posts: 5,315 Offline	Rakey, If you're going for the non-runflats I would recommend rotating the tyres just to wear them out - despite what the beanie says. If you've paid for them you may as well wreck 'em. My Mums E320 Merc is mega-low mileage - 10 years old and about 45k on the clock. I've binned two sets of tyres because they started cracking after about 4 years. Ageing tyres = hard rubber = less grip. If you want absolute mileage I'd recommend Michelin Pilot Sports - I replaced mine on the Saab after 30k with about 3mm of tread still left. I hated them - poor in nearly all conditions. I've also tried Bridgestone S02's and found that they were mid-longevity, high dry grip and good wet grip. They have a dual layer compound which theoretically gives you a new set of rubber as they wear but I found that they go "off" really quickly. I've been a fan of Goodyear Eagle F1's - I rate wet grip and braking more than dry. Most people don't corner using 100% of their car or their driving ability, so I find that most decent rubber is fairly evenly matched. The F1's are a fairly soft tyre and wear quickly but I find they resist aquaplaning so much more. Only major problem with the soft construction is the number of punctures. But that said non-runflat F1's are easily obtained off the shelf. There's a new F1 out now, the GS-D3, which I've had fitted on my Mums A-Class. It's a definite improvement and the tread is visibly more aggressive. And finally my Dads runabout - a 93' Honda Accord Auto that has about 198k on the clock. I fitted some of those cheapo tyres from Kwik Fit. The tyres are called Debica and cost £60 for 4 tyres. Absolutely lethal in the wet or dry! There is just one moon and one golden sun; And a smile mean friendship to ev'ryone; Through the mountains divide, and the oceans are wide; It's a small world after all.

Feb 2nd, 2004, 08:38 PM	#10064 (permalink)
dietcokeplease Official MINI2 Fluffer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Spearmint Rhino Local Time: 03:39 AM Posts: 5,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ABG I thought the dealer said going by his last MINI he just wears a hole in the floor pan and sticks his foot out (Fred Flintstone style! ). Please note: I'm not saying this - it was reported to me and I am only repeating the conversation. And I have notes so don't go there Hutton You don't need notes as you can be sure that Hutton will fudge the issue. Maybe we should get him to do a JCW/Hartge/BBR-GTi/GGR report? There is just one moon and one golden sun; And a smile mean friendship to ev'ryone; Through the mountains divide, and the oceans are wide; It's a small world after all.

Feb 2nd, 2004, 08:56 PM	#10065 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 50,334 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by dietcokeplease Rakey, If you're going for the non-runflats I would recommend rotating the tyres just to wear them out - despite what the beanie says. If you've paid for them you may as well wreck 'em. My Mums E320 Merc is mega-low mileage - 10 years old and about 45k on the clock. I've binned two sets of tyres because they started cracking after about 4 years. Ageing tyres = hard rubber = less grip. If you want absolute mileage I'd recommend Michelin Pilot Sports - I replaced mine on the Saab after 30k with about 3mm of tread still left. I hated them - poor in nearly all conditions. I've also tried Bridgestone S02's and found that they were mid-longevity, high dry grip and good wet grip. They have a dual layer compound which theoretically gives you a new set of rubber as they wear but I found that they go "off" really quickly. I've been a fan of Goodyear Eagle F1's - I rate wet grip and braking more than dry. Most people don't corner using 100% of their car or their driving ability, so I find that most decent rubber is fairly evenly matched. The F1's are a fairly soft tyre and wear quickly but I find they resist aquaplaning so much more. Only major problem with the soft construction is the number of punctures. But that said non-runflat F1's are easily obtained off the shelf. There's a new F1 out now, the GS-D3, which I've had fitted on my Mums A-Class. It's a definite improvement and the tread is visibly more aggressive. And finally my Dads runabout - a 93' Honda Accord Auto that has about 198k on the clock. I fitted some of those cheapo tyres from Kwik Fit. The tyres are called Debica and cost £60 for 4 tyres. Absolutely lethal in the wet or dry! thanks DCP, you got any views on the Pirellis, the Runflats, and the non-runflats? Its only a forum you know!

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Feb 2nd, 2004, 08:11 PM	#10063 (permalink)
ABG Yatta!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 8,434 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey perhaps its a mod to be planned in? I thought the dealer said going by his last MINI he just wears a hole in the floor pan and sticks his foot out (Fred Flintstone style! ). Please note: I'm not saying this - it was reported to me and I am only repeating the conversation. And I have notes so don't go there Hutton

Feb 2nd, 2004, 09:09 PM	#10066 (permalink)
Shamster Lord of The Four Rings Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Reminiscing Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 10,474 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by dietcokeplease Rakey, If you're going for the non-runflats I would recommend rotating the tyres just to wear them out - despite what the beanie says. If you've paid for them you may as well wreck 'em. My Mums E320 Merc is mega-low mileage - 10 years old and about 45k on the clock. I've binned two sets of tyres because they started cracking after about 4 years. Ageing tyres = hard rubber = less grip. If you want absolute mileage I'd recommend Michelin Pilot Sports - I replaced mine on the Saab after 30k with about 3mm of tread still left. I hated them - poor in nearly all conditions. I've also tried Bridgestone S02's and found that they were mid-longevity, high dry grip and good wet grip. They have a dual layer compound which theoretically gives you a new set of rubber as they wear but I found that they go "off" really quickly. I've been a fan of Goodyear Eagle F1's - I rate wet grip and braking more than dry. Most people don't corner using 100% of their car or their driving ability, so I find that most decent rubber is fairly evenly matched. The F1's are a fairly soft tyre and wear quickly but I find they resist aquaplaning so much more. Only major problem with the soft construction is the number of punctures. But that said non-runflat F1's are easily obtained off the shelf. There's a new F1 out now, the GS-D3, which I've had fitted on my Mums A-Class. It's a definite improvement and the tread is visibly more aggressive. And finally my Dads runabout - a 93' Honda Accord Auto that has about 198k on the clock. I fitted some of those cheapo tyres from Kwik Fit. The tyres are called Debica and cost £60 for 4 tyres. Absolutely lethal in the wet or dry! <------------ says this is proof that DCP is the ideal "phone a friend" for Millionaire! 170508

Feb 2nd, 2004, 09:49 PM	#10067 (permalink)
ABG Yatta!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 8,434 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by dietcokeplease You don't need notes as you can be sure that Hutton will fudge the issue. Maybe we should get him to do a JCW/Hartge/BBR-GTi/GGR report? LOL - I bet it wouldn't be the typical "they are all good but I prefer..." type report! We could save time (and money) and just find out which one Tony prefers! Wild guess but it'll be the same

Feb 2nd, 2004, 09:49 PM	#10068 (permalink)
ABG Yatta!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 8,434 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by shamster <------------ says this is proof that DCP is the ideal "phone a friend" for Millionaire! But what would be the question...?

Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:09 PM	#10069 (permalink)
mad brummie I Just Can't Get Enough Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: end of the alphabet Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 48,373 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by shamster forget all this talk about which tyres are marginally better - I've said it before and I'll say it again. It will be far more useful to do some kind of advanced driving course. That will more than make up for the 'deficiencies' in the tyres! . Anyone want to organise one? i've done both the IAM and the RoSPA advanced drivers courses and can recommend, either or both. The more people who understand how to drive a car on the road properly and drive safely the better IMO. Unfortunately the dangerous people always think they are better than they are (generally rubbish) amd they are the ones you need to worry about. *gets down off soap box

Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:14 PM	#10070 (permalink)
Martin L MINI defector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Harefield Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 13,597 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mad brummie i've done both the IAM and the RoSPA advanced drivers courses and can recommend, either or both. The more people who understand how to drive a car on the road properly and drive safely the better IMO. Unfortunately the dangerous people always think they are better than they are (generally rubbish) amd they are the ones you need to worry about. So that's why you never follow me It must be said after my "off" I'll never drive a car at 90-95% of it's limits, that just doesn't leave enough capacity for the unexpected to happen A lesson learnt the hard way, but a lesson learnt never the less Proud to be a puddler MINI, RX8 and MX5 - Done those............. It's now TTime Unofficial MINI2.com bean counter

Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:18 PM	#10071 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	One view I've taken for quite a while when considering how I'm driving is "If I'm coming the other way, is it safe to....." (insert over take, take this bend, etc.) I wish more people would think about that, especially on country lanes!

Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:24 PM	#10072 (permalink)
Shamster Lord of The Four Rings Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Reminiscing Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 10,474 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett One view I've taken for quite a while when considering how I'm driving is "If I'm coming the other way, is it safe to....." (insert over take, take this bend, etc.) I wish more people would think about that, especially on country lanes! yes - very valid point. Not only do we have Land Rovers overtaking on bends to contend with but a fair possibility that one or two Subaru's or Elises might also be out enjoying the roads. 170508

Feb 2nd, 2004, 10:28 PM	#10073 (permalink)
mad brummie I Just Can't Get Enough Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: end of the alphabet Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 48,373 Offline	the adage runs of, always be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear on your side of the road. Or on a single track road, half the distance as someone else has to be able to do the same. What this doesn't allow for is the fact that the person coming in the other direction may be going too fast, then you have a problem, but if you played everything 100% safe you'd never leave the house. Driving is a risk, one we take everytime we get behind the wheel or get into the passenger seat.

Feb 4th, 2004, 07:30 AM	#10074 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 18,289 Offline	Well it was nice to pop out for a while but it is even nicer to be home.....the old comfy speccing thread Black to the future....

Feb 4th, 2004, 07:37 AM	#10075 (permalink)
Thanos MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Athens, Greece Local Time: 05:39 AM Posts: 118 Offline	After yesterdays laser eye operation I got its nice to see you all again (clearer - no glasses or contacts) It is still a bit foggy but is getting better.

Feb 4th, 2004, 07:45 AM	#10076 (permalink)
SoggyCornFlakes Awwww %%%% it! My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northampton Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 32,828 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by washy Well it was nice to pop out for a while but it is even nicer to be home.....the old comfy speccing thread it was fun being on tour though Cotswolds 6, you sixy thing you, come join the fun MINI2 Charity Ball 2009 ....... Global Moderator

Feb 4th, 2004, 07:50 AM	#10077 (permalink)
Washy 1151bhp/tonne Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Northampton Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 18,289 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by SoggyCornFlakes it was fun being on tour though Oh yes the booze, the drugs, the groupies...... Black to the future....

Feb 4th, 2004, 08:26 AM	#10078 (permalink)
AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 04:39 AM Posts: 42,147 Offline	Ahh........home............ Hope you are feeling well Thanos, you picked a good day to be away.........