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Paul · Feb 9th, 2002, 06:59 AM

For me, although in the flesh it wasn't so distracting as I oringally thought, the real design turn-off on the Cooper S has to be that roof spoiler...

Now, BMW/MINI have said on many occasions that this actually serves a purpose, to provide downforce, and looking at the shape of it I can believe that.

BUT, in all of the spy shots of the Cooper S on test that I have seen it DOESN'T have the roof spoiler fitted....

So, do you think it is PURELY for design, purely for safety, or partly for design, and partly to cover their backs in case the MINI 'does an Audi TT' and starts to try and fly on high speed bends?

Basil · Feb 9th, 2002, 07:07 AM

Purely for design...... difficult to believe the shape of the mini would cause any aerodynamic problems at terminal velocity. From this angle the spoiler looks great. This was the shot that sold me on the car. Boot's (spoiler) and all.

FiremanMike · Feb 9th, 2002, 07:19 AM

I like it. Subtle, not one of those really stupid high wing pieces of .... that people add on.

Mike

pbraun · Feb 9th, 2002, 08:55 AM

I like it too! It certainly makes the S stand out from the rear, in a pile of traffic or a parking lot. I do think the MINI design team have access to a wind tunnel and that they maybe had a passing thought about future MINI racing, especially as all the evidence to stick with a similar design to the original car, having been extremely successful in the racing arena.

So, I'll bet dollars to donuts the rear spoiler is functional! and fun! and gives the car more soul, too!

LMB · Feb 9th, 2002, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pbraun
I like it too!

It has got my vote as well

LMB

Red & White Cooper 2 · Feb 9th, 2002, 10:38 AM

The roof spoiler was one factor which put me off the Chili pack, but it seems appropriate on the S. Is this spoiler the reason why the radio aerial is now more upright than before?

BruceK · Feb 9th, 2002, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Red & White Cooper 2
The roof spoiler was one factor which put me off the Chili pack, but it seems appropriate on the S. Is this spoiler the reason why the radio aerial is now more upright than before?

Yes!

This picture that OnlyS4me took shows exactly why the angle is different.

click to supersize

oopsdy · Feb 9th, 2002, 12:56 PM

i have more of an issue with the hood scoop and it's plastic liner...

smiffy · Feb 9th, 2002, 01:02 PM

My sister has the problem with the aerial & spolier on her Peugoet 206, & some owners have said the aerial is damaging the paintwork. I prefer the Chili spolier my self. i wonder how many Cooper S 'wannabe's' will have the S spolier fitted to the MINI

batemano · Feb 9th, 2002, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smiffy
My sister has the problem with the aerial & spolier on her Peugoet 206, & some owners have said the aerial is damaging the paintwork. I prefer the Chili spolier my self. i wonder how many Cooper S 'wannabe's' will have the S spolier fitted to the MINI

Let's hope it won't be many, but I've all ready seen a Cooper S look-alike body kit.

smiffy · Feb 9th, 2002, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by batemano

Let's hope it won't be many, but I've all ready seen a Cooper S look-alike body kit.

You sure it wasnt a Cooper S

I hope the Cooper S wont end up like a Cossie. You know standard cars being fitted with Look-a-like bodykits

MINIAC · Feb 9th, 2002, 04:23 PM

should be deletable for those of us who don't like it.

The 125 mph Cooper doesn't need a spoiler, so if it's a safety feature on the 'S' you only need it going faster than this. If you drive at these speeds on US roads you're nuts, and if you get caught you're most likely going directly to jail.

Just like the Audi TT, another car's looks "spoiled".

My MINI me and me · Feb 9th, 2002, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MINIAC
should be deletable for those of us who don't like it.

The 125 mph Cooper doesn't need a spoiler, so if it's a safety feature on the 'S' you only need it going faster than this. If you drive at these speeds on US roads you're nuts, and if you get caught you're most likely going directly to jail.

Just like the Audi TT, another car's looks "spoiled".

As Kraftwork said

Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn

It's only a short hop over the channel for us.... and then unlimited speed courtesy of the German motorway network! Now I wonder where shall I take my "MINI me" for his first european trip once he has been run in.

rich · Feb 9th, 2002, 06:38 PM

Does anyone know for sure... Can you take the spoiler off easily & not leave a trace?

Viscount Charles · Feb 10th, 2002, 05:51 AM

Heh - I've just remembered something. I'm going to Germany for a few days in October. I *should* get my S in August. Which means it'll be run in in time for some autobahn testing two months later

My Mini classic's done 110 mph in similar "tests"

On topic - I dislike the spoiler. Didn't like the Chili spoiler either. Not really struck on the S bodykit either. Love the bonnet scoop though. To me, the ideal MINI has the basic shape (and chrome inserts) of the Cooper, with the bonnet, engine and gearbox of the S.

Basil · Feb 10th, 2002, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BruceK

Yes! This picture that OnlyS4me took shows exactly why the angle is different.

Good photo.

Theres a lot going on in that area once you open the sunroof and hatch!!!.....

KarmanS · Feb 11th, 2002, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MINIAC
should be deletable for those of us who don't like it.

I second that idea as there is an option on the M3 and M5 to remove the rear spoilers, and those two cars can go much faster than the S

Mr T · Feb 11th, 2002, 03:56 AM

Removing it voids warranty, may require car to be insured as modified and may invalidate insurance. Blah.

Viscount Charles · Feb 11th, 2002, 04:56 AM

Unless it was an option offered by the factory (or even the dealers?). Then we'd be able to say the car is still manufacturer's spec - same insurance, same warranty etc.

Of course, that'd still leave us with the clunky bodykit bumpers

Mr T · Feb 11th, 2002, 05:26 AM

Official line from factory and dealers is that it is required for safety and not deleteable.

Feb 9th, 2002, 06:59 AM	#1
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 40,709 Offline	THAT roof spoiler... For me, although in the flesh it wasn't so distracting as I oringally thought, the real design turn-off on the Cooper S has to be that roof spoiler... Now, BMW/MINI have said on many occasions that this actually serves a purpose, to provide downforce, and looking at the shape of it I can believe that. BUT, in all of the spy shots of the Cooper S on test that I have seen it DOESN'T have the roof spoiler fitted.... So, do you think it is PURELY for design, purely for safety, or partly for design, and partly to cover their backs in case the MINI 'does an Audi TT' and starts to try and fly on high speed bends?

Feb 9th, 2002, 07:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 02:34 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Purely for design...... difficult to believe the shape of the mini would cause any aerodynamic problems at terminal velocity. From this angle the spoiler looks great. This was the shot that sold me on the car. Boot's (spoiler) and all. Attached Thumbnails

Feb 9th, 2002, 07:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
FiremanMike MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Marion, Iowa Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 119 Offline	I like it. Subtle, not one of those really stupid high wing pieces of .... that people add on. Mike Semper Fi Electric Blue/White roof Sport package stripes,lights, born 29 Mar 02 delivered 17 May 02, 1 pm CST in STL USA, 1st S in Iowa

Feb 9th, 2002, 08:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
pbraun Summer Splasher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: in or near my MINI Local Time: 12:34 AM Posts: 661 Offline	Rear spoiler I like it too! It certainly makes the S stand out from the rear, in a pile of traffic or a parking lot. I do think the MINI design team have access to a wind tunnel and that they maybe had a passing thought about future MINI racing, especially as all the evidence to stick with a similar design to the original car, having been extremely successful in the racing arena. So, I'll bet dollars to donuts the rear spoiler is functional! and fun! and gives the car more soul, too! Ride on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4l65QGCGzY BLOG: http://peterbraunblog.wordpress.com

Feb 9th, 2002, 10:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 24,895 Offline	Re: Rear spoiler Quote: Originally posted by pbraun I like it too! It has got my vote as well LMB Global Moderator

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Feb 9th, 2002, 10:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
Red & White Cooper 2 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2001 Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 372 Offline	The roof spoiler was one factor which put me off the Chili pack, but it seems appropriate on the S. Is this spoiler the reason why the radio aerial is now more upright than before?

Feb 9th, 2002, 11:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 10:34 PM Posts: 3,759 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Red & White Cooper 2 The roof spoiler was one factor which put me off the Chili pack, but it seems appropriate on the S. Is this spoiler the reason why the radio aerial is now more upright than before? Yes! This picture that OnlyS4me took shows exactly why the angle is different. click to supersize + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Feb 9th, 2002, 12:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
oopsdy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brooklyn Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 184 Offline	the spoiler's not as obtrusive in the flesh i have more of an issue with the hood scoop and it's plastic liner... Indi Blue/white S, moon roof, DSC, fog lights

Feb 9th, 2002, 01:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
smiffy MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Here Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 5,778 Offline	My sister has the problem with the aerial & spolier on her Peugoet 206, & some owners have said the aerial is damaging the paintwork. I prefer the Chili spolier my self. i wonder how many Cooper S 'wannabe's' will have the S spolier fitted to the MINI S for Smiffy "Kids in the front seat cause accidents, accidents in the backseat cause kids!"

Feb 9th, 2002, 01:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
batemano MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 123 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by smiffy My sister has the problem with the aerial & spolier on her Peugoet 206, & some owners have said the aerial is damaging the paintwork. I prefer the Chili spolier my self. i wonder how many Cooper S 'wannabe's' will have the S spolier fitted to the MINI Let's hope it won't be many, but I've all ready seen a Cooper S look-alike body kit.

Feb 9th, 2002, 03:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
smiffy MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Here Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 5,778 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by batemano Let's hope it won't be many, but I've all ready seen a Cooper S look-alike body kit. You sure it wasnt a Cooper S I hope the Cooper S wont end up like a Cossie. You know standard cars being fitted with Look-a-like bodykits S for Smiffy "Kids in the front seat cause accidents, accidents in the backseat cause kids!"

Feb 9th, 2002, 04:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 09:34 PM Posts: 8,463 Offline	THAT roof spoiler... should be deletable for those of us who don't like it. The 125 mph Cooper doesn't need a spoiler, so if it's a safety feature on the 'S' you only need it going faster than this. If you drive at these speeds on US roads you're nuts, and if you get caught you're most likely going directly to jail. Just like the Audi TT, another car's looks "spoiled".

Feb 9th, 2002, 04:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
My MINI me and me MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London (north) Local Time: 05:34 AM Posts: 129 Offline	Re: THAT roof spoiler... Quote: Originally posted by MINIAC should be deletable for those of us who don't like it. The 125 mph Cooper doesn't need a spoiler, so if it's a safety feature on the 'S' you only need it going faster than this. If you drive at these speeds on US roads you're nuts, and if you get caught you're most likely going directly to jail. Just like the Audi TT, another car's looks "spoiled". As Kraftwork said Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn It's only a short hop over the channel for us.... and then unlimited speed courtesy of the German motorway network! Now I wonder where shall I take my "MINI me" for his first european trip once he has been run in. I shall call him..."MINI-Me"! Silver/Black MC CVT 30/03/02 -11/02/06 "MINI Me Too" Chilli Red MCSa arrived 03/03/06 "MINI Me 3" Chilli Red/Black Clubman D 18/01/08 - AKA Jeremy C

Feb 9th, 2002, 06:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
rich MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 02:34 PM Posts: 1,586 Offline	Does anyone know for sure... Can you take the spoiler off easily & not leave a trace?

Feb 10th, 2002, 05:51 AM	#15 (permalink)
Viscount Charles MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 449 Offline	Heh - I've just remembered something. I'm going to Germany for a few days in October. I should get my S in August. Which means it'll be run in in time for some autobahn testing two months later My Mini classic's done 110 mph in similar "tests" On topic - I dislike the spoiler. Didn't like the Chili spoiler either. Not really struck on the S bodykit either. Love the bonnet scoop though. To me, the ideal MINI has the basic shape (and chrome inserts) of the Cooper, with the bonnet, engine and gearbox of the S. Ordered my "S" August '01. Arrived July '02. EB with white roof, wheels and stripes, Chili pack, DSC and climate control. Hate those 17" runflats though. Can now be seen all over the West Midlands, as a blue blur passing everything at speed

Feb 10th, 2002, 09:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 02:34 PM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by BruceK Yes! This picture that OnlyS4me took shows exactly why the angle is different. Good photo. Theres a lot going on in that area once you open the sunroof and hatch!!!.....

Feb 11th, 2002, 01:12 AM	#17 (permalink)
KarmanS MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: HKG Local Time: 12:34 PM Posts: 1,366 Offline	Re: THAT roof spoiler... Quote: Originally posted by MINIAC should be deletable for those of us who don't like it. I second that idea as there is an option on the M3 and M5 to remove the rear spoilers, and those two cars can go much faster than the S

Feb 11th, 2002, 03:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
Mr T MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 92 Offline	Removing it voids warranty, may require car to be insured as modified and may invalidate insurance. Blah.

Feb 11th, 2002, 04:56 AM	#19 (permalink)
Viscount Charles MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: uk Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 449 Offline	Unless it was an option offered by the factory (or even the dealers?). Then we'd be able to say the car is still manufacturer's spec - same insurance, same warranty etc. Of course, that'd still leave us with the clunky bodykit bumpers Ordered my "S" August '01. Arrived July '02. EB with white roof, wheels and stripes, Chili pack, DSC and climate control. Hate those 17" runflats though. Can now be seen all over the West Midlands, as a blue blur passing everything at speed

Feb 11th, 2002, 05:26 AM	#20 (permalink)
Mr T MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 04:34 AM Posts: 92 Offline	Official line from factory and dealers is that it is required for safety and not deleteable. Last edited by Mr T : Feb 11th, 2002 at 06:56 AM.

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