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Petrol Spice · Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:04 AM

I test drove a MCS and that's why I am buying one and I gased it from a traffic light with the TCS on and it took off well enough didn't bag up or anything. But if you get big power out of the MCS how does the TCS and drive line stand up to the extra power?

If they are 120'ish standard and you get say 200 after ecu/head/exhaust etc do you just give up with the TCS or does it come into it's own with more HP?

Thanks again.

Sorry for the questions.

Steve.

gazah · Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:09 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Petrol Spice

If they are 120'ish standard and you get say 200 after ecu/head/exhaust etc...

hope you're not expecting 200kW!

...well not without A LOT of work & $$$

160 ---> 200-220bhp is reasonably easily achieved though

Petrol Spice · Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:14 AM

I once had a sr20det that had 205hp. I only talk in HP and MPH. I'm old.

Paul · Oct 22nd, 2004, 11:45 AM

It depends, I find it quite intrusive to start with, but with some conversions (BBR for one) they modify it so it doesn't cut in quite so eagerly. It's not a problem though, you can always switch it off!

obehave · Oct 22nd, 2004, 12:38 PM

Much also seems to depend on the software.
Currently it's better than it was early on. If I work it right I can get mine to dance on the edge with the light just flickering. Where it definitely intrudes is hard launches and speed shifts.
Like Paul said, you can turn it off.

uae mini · Oct 22nd, 2004, 01:02 PM

well i wouldn't recommend it for launches or gear shifts... but if we are talking about tight turns then i would say that it keeps you on track

you see on tight turns the mini actually understeers but in an oversteer cloak...
you just have to give it more steering input and don't ever take your foot of the throttle you don't have the traction control off... you wouldn't have it on if you knew what you were doing in the first place.

tyres that aren't worth the money you spent on them kinda add to this effect..
after a track day and alot of intense driving on private road courses

I have come to this assumption.

you can always get rid of this characteristic by getting sway bars and going for better tyres that don't last much (more of a note to myself

)

G&BCOOPERS · Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:13 PM

If you uprate the ECU with the MTH software you will raise the HP of the car but the best part is the reduction of the Traction Control. MTH reduces the cut in point of the traction similar to BBR. It still cuts in but it's not so eager to spoil you fun ! see the MTH thread for more details. I've done it to my S and its brilliant.

jdewey · Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:45 PM

I can't speak to the MTH, only the stock traction control on my stock MCS.

GOT to turn it off when you want fast acceleration from a stop, or hard acceleration out of a corner. I missed turning mine off one day and ran for the first 1/2 mile of the track with it on. I thought my engine was in trouble. When I realized what I had done, I reached down and got it turned back off. The start, and one corner in the first half mile cost me 2 seconds on a 2 mile course!

The traction control will apply brakes to the spinning wheel at low speeds, but cuts engine power at any speed.

John

Bilbo Baggins · Oct 22nd, 2004, 06:34 PM

For normal driving, but who that drives a MINI is normal, on streets lave the TCS or DSC turned ON. In snow or at the track turn it OFF.

You should not be driving in such a manner on the streets that activation of the TCS or DSC is an issue. Save that kind of driving for track days or autocross.

prozac50mg · Oct 23rd, 2004, 12:51 AM

Hey all,
Thought the traction control of my cooper S was kicking in real easy taking away lots of fun...okok i know there is the off switch...and i have to admit that after i had my JCW kit installed I keep it switched off or else it it would kick in most of the time (without any reason...well to my opinion that is)...But there is a lot of difference between on and off...Isn't it about time that Mini dealers offer tweaking the ASC+T software to their customers wishes? I know they do for various BMW models. I asked my dealer and they told me it couldn't be done. Any suggestions?
Greetz from the Netherlands,
Herman

MINIX · Oct 24th, 2004, 07:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Bilbo Baggins

For normal driving, but who that drives a MINI is normal, on streets lave the TCS or DSC turned ON. In snow or at the track turn it OFF.

You should not be driving in such a manner on the streets that activation of the TCS or DSC is an issue. Save that kind of driving for track days or autocross.

Why would you turn DSC off when driving in the snow?

kapps · Oct 24th, 2004, 09:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIX

Why would you turn DSC off when driving in the snow?

In the snow, you sometimes need a little tire spin when starting out. The traction control will just cut power and you'll never get off the line. Traction control looses usefullness when the wheels can very easily be locked up or spun quickly. It doesn't know what's going on if all wheels are locked but you still moving (somehow

).

RedUn · Oct 24th, 2004, 09:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIX

Why would you turn DSC off when driving in the snow?

because u wont be able to set off

MINIX · Oct 25th, 2004, 01:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by kapps

In the snow, you sometimes need a little tire spin when starting out. The traction control will just cut power and you'll never get off the line. Traction control looses usefullness when the wheels can very easily be locked up or spun quickly. It doesn't know what's going on if all wheels are locked but you still moving (somehow

).

That makes sense about starting out but how about once you are under way. Once you are moving at a relatively constant speed through curvy roads would it still be better to leave the DSC off?

shijinmini · Nov 3rd, 2004, 08:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIX

That makes sense about starting out but how about once you are under way. Once you are moving at a relatively constant speed through curvy roads would it still be better to leave the DSC off?

I'd like to know the same thing. I'm having to head up to Maine this weekend and it's supposed to snow and my MCS is only 3 weeks old. Also, any other tips for driving the Mini in the snow would be appreciated. (I drove a VW Golf before)

dave316 · Nov 3rd, 2004, 11:29 PM

what does it feel like when the traction control kicks in? Today i was accelerating pretty fast and from first to second after i took me foot off the clutch and hit the gas the engine did nothing until i backed off the accelerator and hit it again.

Is that the DSC, me being a beginner at manual tranmission, or the dreaded stumble yo-yo problem?

MukiMunki · Nov 4th, 2004, 02:16 PM

FFS you get a yellow light on the rev counter and it strangles the engine power!

Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:04 AM	#1
Petrol Spice MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Brisbane Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 22 Offline	MCS Traction Control? How good is it really? I test drove a MCS and that's why I am buying one and I gased it from a traffic light with the TCS on and it took off well enough didn't bag up or anything. But if you get big power out of the MCS how does the TCS and drive line stand up to the extra power? If they are 120'ish standard and you get say 200 after ecu/head/exhaust etc do you just give up with the TCS or does it come into it's own with more HP? Thanks again. Sorry for the questions. Steve.

Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
gazah M2 Procrastinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sydney, OZ! Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,856 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Petrol Spice If they are 120'ish standard and you get say 200 after ecu/head/exhaust etc... hope you're not expecting 200kW! ...well not without A LOT of work & $$$ 160 ---> 200-220bhp is reasonably easily achieved though come MOTOR with clubMINI

Oct 22nd, 2004, 11:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Big grey box Local Time: 09:45 PM Posts: 40,565 Online	It depends, I find it quite intrusive to start with, but with some conversions (BBR for one) they modify it so it doesn't cut in quite so eagerly. It's not a problem though, you can always switch it off! Trained Monkeys

Oct 22nd, 2004, 01:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
uae mini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Oct 2002 Local Time: 01:45 AM Posts: 537 Offline	well i wouldn't recommend it for launches or gear shifts... but if we are talking about tight turns then i would say that it keeps you on track you see on tight turns the mini actually understeers but in an oversteer cloak... you just have to give it more steering input and don't ever take your foot of the throttle you don't have the traction control off... you wouldn't have it on if you knew what you were doing in the first place. tyres that aren't worth the money you spent on them kinda add to this effect.. after a track day and alot of intense driving on private road courses I have come to this assumption. you can always get rid of this characteristic by getting sway bars and going for better tyres that don't last much (more of a note to myself ) Cooper S --- Lots of mods all here

Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
G&BCOOPERS MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Local Time: 09:45 PM Posts: 36 Offline	MTH - more power and less traction control interferance If you uprate the ECU with the MTH software you will raise the HP of the car but the best part is the reduction of the Traction Control. MTH reduces the cut in point of the traction similar to BBR. It still cuts in but it's not so eager to spoil you fun ! see the MTH thread for more details. I've done it to my S and its brilliant.

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Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
Petrol Spice MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Brisbane Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 22 Offline	I once had a sr20det that had 205hp. I only talk in HP and MPH. I'm old.

Oct 22nd, 2004, 12:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 04:45 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Much also seems to depend on the software. Currently it's better than it was early on. If I work it right I can get mine to dance on the edge with the light just flickering. Where it definitely intrudes is hard launches and speed shifts. Like Paul said, you can turn it off.

Oct 22nd, 2004, 05:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
jdewey MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Local Time: 03:45 PM Posts: 59 Offline	Traction control I can't speak to the MTH, only the stock traction control on my stock MCS. GOT to turn it off when you want fast acceleration from a stop, or hard acceleration out of a corner. I missed turning mine off one day and ran for the first 1/2 mile of the track with it on. I thought my engine was in trouble. When I realized what I had done, I reached down and got it turned back off. The start, and one corner in the first half mile cost me 2 seconds on a 2 mile course! The traction control will apply brakes to the spinning wheel at low speeds, but cuts engine power at any speed. John

Oct 22nd, 2004, 06:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bilbo Baggins MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Shire, Middle Earth Local Time: 04:45 PM Posts: 8,852 Offline	For normal driving, but who that drives a MINI is normal, on streets lave the TCS or DSC turned ON. In snow or at the track turn it OFF. You should not be driving in such a manner on the streets that activation of the TCS or DSC is an issue. Save that kind of driving for track days or autocross. Motor on, Dudes and Dudettes!!! '06 MCS SB/S '02 MCS DS/W (retired)

Oct 23rd, 2004, 12:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
prozac50mg MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Local Time: 09:45 PM Posts: 1 Offline	After JCW installation... Hey all, Thought the traction control of my cooper S was kicking in real easy taking away lots of fun...okok i know there is the off switch...and i have to admit that after i had my JCW kit installed I keep it switched off or else it it would kick in most of the time (without any reason...well to my opinion that is)...But there is a lot of difference between on and off...Isn't it about time that Mini dealers offer tweaking the ASC+T software to their customers wishes? I know they do for various BMW models. I asked my dealer and they told me it couldn't be done. Any suggestions? Greetz from the Netherlands, Herman

Oct 24th, 2004, 07:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
MINIX MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Local Time: 05:45 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Bilbo Baggins For normal driving, but who that drives a MINI is normal, on streets lave the TCS or DSC turned ON. In snow or at the track turn it OFF. You should not be driving in such a manner on the streets that activation of the TCS or DSC is an issue. Save that kind of driving for track days or autocross. Why would you turn DSC off when driving in the snow?

Oct 24th, 2004, 09:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
kapps MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Local Time: 05:45 PM Posts: 429 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIX Why would you turn DSC off when driving in the snow? In the snow, you sometimes need a little tire spin when starting out. The traction control will just cut power and you'll never get off the line. Traction control looses usefullness when the wheels can very easily be locked up or spun quickly. It doesn't know what's going on if all wheels are locked but you still moving (somehow ).

Oct 24th, 2004, 09:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 10:45 PM Posts: 11,504 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIX Why would you turn DSC off when driving in the snow? because u wont be able to set off

Oct 25th, 2004, 01:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
MINIX MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Local Time: 05:45 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by kapps In the snow, you sometimes need a little tire spin when starting out. The traction control will just cut power and you'll never get off the line. Traction control looses usefullness when the wheels can very easily be locked up or spun quickly. It doesn't know what's going on if all wheels are locked but you still moving (somehow ). That makes sense about starting out but how about once you are under way. Once you are moving at a relatively constant speed through curvy roads would it still be better to leave the DSC off?

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Nov 3rd, 2004, 08:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
shijinmini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sandy Hook, CT Local Time: 05:45 PM Posts: 255 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIX That makes sense about starting out but how about once you are under way. Once you are moving at a relatively constant speed through curvy roads would it still be better to leave the DSC off? I'd like to know the same thing. I'm having to head up to Maine this weekend and it's supposed to snow and my MCS is only 3 weeks old. Also, any other tips for driving the Mini in the snow would be appreciated. (I drove a VW Golf before)

Nov 3rd, 2004, 11:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
dave316 aaaaaalright Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York Local Time: 05:45 PM Posts: 98 Offline	what does it feel like when the traction control kicks in? Today i was accelerating pretty fast and from first to second after i took me foot off the clutch and hit the gas the engine did nothing until i backed off the accelerator and hit it again. Is that the DSC, me being a beginner at manual tranmission, or the dreaded stumble yo-yo problem? "Those Griffin boys better grow some wings, or start flapin their arms."

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MukiMunki MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2004 Local Time: 10:45 PM Posts: 336 Offline	FFS you get a yellow light on the rev counter and it strangles the engine power! 54 Plate All Black Cooper S with Chilli, BoostCD, MFSW, Heated bits. http://www.evoposters.net/carsb/album43

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