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cejsmith · Feb 9th, 2005, 06:17 PM

Hi

In my quest to get my first cooper S, I was wondering if the £1k extra (second hand ) between a 05 and 04 spec cooper s was worth it.

Anybody got any thoughts?

BartMack · Feb 9th, 2005, 06:50 PM

I think the 5s are better than the 4s because 1) gearing 2) 5-7 extra British ponies and 3) the popping exhaust

CooperSAZ · Feb 9th, 2005, 10:42 PM

After reading a lot of articles between the two years and from owners on both sides, it appears that some people with '02-04s are going to move up while others are going to keep an eye out for an '05 tranny, and possibily one with the LSD!

I like the '05s, I feel that it is quicker than the '04 I test drove!

cooper_s_flyer · Feb 9th, 2005, 11:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cejsmith

Hi

In my quest to get my first cooper S, I was wondering if the £1k extra (second hand ) between a 05 and 04 spec cooper s was worth it.

Anybody got any thoughts?

...because I have an '04 and cannot yet afford and '05 !!! When I am able to afford an '05 with the LSD the '05 will, of course, be better.

Humourl3ss · Feb 10th, 2005, 02:10 AM

Having owned both an '03 MCS and now an '05 MCS, I can say that it's a worthwhile improvement in so many ways.....

The extra power and shorter gearing is lovely.

The car feels a little more solid, slightly quieter and somehow more frisky.

The steering wheel is vastly improved over the old 2-spoke style.

The car feels much more revvable. Before, there was a gelatinous feel to the engine that didn't encourage exploring the upper rev range. In the newest iteration, the whole assembly feels much more willing to spin.

Clutch feel is lighter and less tiring.

All in all a much nicer package.

AndysMini · Feb 11th, 2005, 04:35 AM

Going from a 02 MC to a 05 MCS there is a HUGE diffrence as far as the 04 MCS vs the 05 MCS i have no idea! I know its quicker than my prowler.

justbob · Feb 12th, 2005, 06:09 PM

Oh, man, everytime I read posts like this I get closer to buying an 05!

Like I've said before, I love my 04 MCS MC40 (people do comment on how it's different from the other MINIs they've seen), but with LSD, the new gear ratios, and what sounds like some real build quality improvements...STOP TWISTING MY ARM!

Whew.

MINI-Morgan · Feb 13th, 2005, 01:57 PM

I've got an 02 MCS and the other day I drove an 05 Mini One! I totally want an 05 MCS now! The 05's are so different!! Quieter... much better handling, the engine is so much stronger, the new gearbox is a great step forward!

Well I can go one for hours! But I totally wont one!!!!!! Anyone wanna buy a really expensive 02 MCS?

KenL · Feb 13th, 2005, 05:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BOYR4CER

I've got an 02 MCS and the other day I drove an 05 Mini One! I totally want an 05 MCS now! The 05's are so different!! Quieter... much better handling, the engine is so much stronger, the new gearbox is a great step forward!

I thought the gearbox in the S was unchanged?

MINIAC · Feb 13th, 2005, 06:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL

I thought the gearbox in the S was unchanged?

The gear ratios have changed ... promoting quicker acceleration.

CooperSAZ · Feb 13th, 2005, 06:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KenL

I thought the gearbox in the S was unchanged?

Noticeably quicker acceleration...

Feb 9th, 2005, 06:17 PM	#1
cejsmith MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Local Time: 09:11 AM Posts: 62 Offline	Is 05 spec much better the 04? Hi In my quest to get my first cooper S, I was wondering if the £1k extra (second hand ) between a 05 and 04 spec cooper s was worth it. Anybody got any thoughts?

Feb 9th, 2005, 10:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
CooperSAZ All 4 wheels pointed down Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In the Desert....... Local Time: 02:11 AM Posts: 646 Offline	After reading a lot of articles between the two years and from owners on both sides, it appears that some people with '02-04s are going to move up while others are going to keep an eye out for an '05 tranny, and possibily one with the LSD! I like the '05s, I feel that it is quicker than the '04 I test drove! My 2005 MINI Cooper S

Feb 9th, 2005, 11:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
cooper_s_flyer Carpe Diem Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Local Time: 04:11 AM Posts: 308 Offline	No sir... Quote: Originally Posted by cejsmith Hi In my quest to get my first cooper S, I was wondering if the £1k extra (second hand ) between a 05 and 04 spec cooper s was worth it. Anybody got any thoughts? ...because I have an '04 and cannot yet afford and '05 !!! When I am able to afford an '05 with the LSD the '05 will, of course, be better. *It is not how fast you go, but how* you go.**

Feb 10th, 2005, 02:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
Humourl3ss Now With More Cowbell Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada City Local Time: 05:11 AM Posts: 1,552 Offline	Having owned both an '03 MCS and now an '05 MCS, I can say that it's a worthwhile improvement in so many ways..... The extra power and shorter gearing is lovely. The car feels a little more solid, slightly quieter and somehow more frisky. The steering wheel is vastly improved over the old 2-spoke style. The car feels much more revvable. Before, there was a gelatinous feel to the engine that didn't encourage exploring the upper rev range. In the newest iteration, the whole assembly feels much more willing to spin. Clutch feel is lighter and less tiring. All in all a much nicer package. Global Moderator

Feb 11th, 2005, 04:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
AndysMini EXTERMINATE!!! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta Local Time: 05:11 AM Posts: 54 Offline	Going from a 02 MC to a 05 MCS there is a HUGE diffrence as far as the 04 MCS vs the 05 MCS i have no idea! I know its quicker than my prowler. Andy http://www.southernjeeps.com/cars/s 2005 MCS

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Feb 9th, 2005, 06:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
BartMack #1647 of 1960 Join Date: May 2003 Location: RS60ville Local Time: 05:11 AM Posts: 3,374 Offline	I think the 5s are better than the 4s because 1) gearing 2) 5-7 extra British ponies and 3) the popping exhaust

Feb 12th, 2005, 06:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
justbob MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2004 Local Time: 04:11 AM Posts: 689 Offline	Oh, man, everytime I read posts like this I get closer to buying an 05! Like I've said before, I love my 04 MCS MC40 (people do comment on how it's different from the other MINIs they've seen), but with LSD, the new gear ratios, and what sounds like some real build quality improvements...STOP TWISTING MY ARM! Whew.

Feb 13th, 2005, 01:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 10:11 AM Posts: 4,513 Offline	I've got an 02 MCS and the other day I drove an 05 Mini One! I totally want an 05 MCS now! The 05's are so different!! Quieter... much better handling, the engine is so much stronger, the new gearbox is a great step forward! Well I can go one for hours! But I totally wont one!!!!!! Anyone wanna buy a really expensive 02 MCS?

Feb 13th, 2005, 05:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
KenL MINI2 Master Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 10:11 AM Posts: 5,146 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BOYR4CER I've got an 02 MCS and the other day I drove an 05 Mini One! I totally want an 05 MCS now! The 05's are so different!! Quieter... much better handling, the engine is so much stronger, the new gearbox is a great step forward! I thought the gearbox in the S was unchanged? Red/Black R56 Cooper

Feb 13th, 2005, 06:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 02:11 AM Posts: 8,323 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL I thought the gearbox in the S was unchanged? The gear ratios have changed ... promoting quicker acceleration.

Feb 13th, 2005, 06:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
CooperSAZ All 4 wheels pointed down Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In the Desert....... Local Time: 02:11 AM Posts: 646 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KenL I thought the gearbox in the S was unchanged? Noticeably quicker acceleration... My 2005 MINI Cooper S

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