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oGGy · Apr 1st, 2005, 03:30 PM

1/2 a mile 1 round about and he gave up...

05 MCS - lsd what a 4king machine............

I LOVE IT

if it fit in my bed the Mrs would be on the couch....

Shockwave_Factory · Apr 1st, 2005, 05:08 PM

Good job!

Pretty funny because i had a run in with a Lotus a couple of weeks ago, it had a new exhaust on it, you could hear the thing for miles, and i thought that he would leave me no trouble, but to my surprise i stuck with him very easy, so much so that i wasn't sure if he was trying, but thinking about the noise that was coming from it, and the fact he kept looking in his review mirror to see if i was still right behind him, makes me think that he was, the only time he got away was when we hit a 30mph zone, and i slowed down to it, but he kept his foot to the floor, think he juist wanted to get away from me!!

Damn did i have a big

on my face! lol

GTT 280 · Apr 1st, 2005, 05:56 PM

i'm quite annoyed at the fact i was not offered the LSD when i purchased my mini. i never knew about it.

probably not a question you can answer as you haven;t driven a mini without a LSD, but can you notice any improvement on grip and control round bends etc.

also - the fact one car beats another may have something to do with driving skill too. but from the way you explained it, perhaps not. :-)

I also notice how people drive above the speed limit and take greater risks just to try and out run the MINI.

for your info, I have (in a totally safe manner and within speed limits of 70mph) beaten a Carrera S 04 plate. And yes, he was driving to the limit. won him through a series of roundabout and 1/2 mile stretches.

MINI - wolf in sheeps clothings, all of em !!

Incidentally, i don't have the LSD.

Grimbo · Apr 6th, 2005, 01:13 AM

I always try to keep it safe when I'm on the roads.. but I admit to a few little plays now and again

It seems pretty much once corners are involved you're playing the trump card in a MINI.. whilst still being perfectly safe

(within the limits of physics of course, but then the DSC would try to slap you before then)

I know this from being left for dead when I had my last car ( chipped Mk4 Golf 1.8T) by a normal MINI Cooper, not an S!... I had absolutely no chance in any corner and once I got around each one, he was already miles away! When we 'parted company' I gave him a big thumbs up and he was grinning like an ape.. I bet he'd have been grinning even more if he'd known he'd utterly whalloped a 200hp chipped GTI!
About a month later I visited the dealer and ordered my MCS. Nuff said, MINIs are brill and they advertise themselves perfectly

Find it hillarious looking in the mirror whilst cornering at whats trying to keep up wobbling around the road behind me. .. and I'm just driving the car normally. MINI + LSD = enforced grin!

720 miles on the clock now. I can almost SMELL that >4500 rpm limit!

strees · Apr 6th, 2005, 11:40 AM

Hmmm

Having had 2 Elise's (still own the second) and driven both pre 05 and 05 S's (picking an 02 up next week) I honestly don't think it is anything to do with the car, and more the driver.

An elise will go around corners far better then an S. Simple really - rear wheel drive and near perfect 50/50 weight balance v's front engine front wheel drive. S is more likely to understeer when pushed hard before the gizmo's cut in.

Don't get me wrong, I like the S, hence buying one for the missus. But a properly drive elise will trounce an S on country roads.

I accept that in-gear times for the S are faster, but that is not what the Elise is about. The elise is about balance, driver feel and involvement. There are no gizmo's, and unless you have driven one you cannot appreciate the difference between an S and and Elise.

ChrisBuer · Apr 6th, 2005, 01:12 PM

I swapped my Series Two Elise (Sport 135 model) for a JCW Mini.

Got to say that I agree with the above point to an extent. In the dry the Elise is exceptional around the bends. To get my Mini anywhere close, I’ve had to lower it, put a strut brace on and am now in the process of getting some Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres (the runflats ruin the car imho).

My own personal opinion is that the Mini is more forgiving than the Elise is. Basically, if you over cook it in the Elise, the back end will swing out (not a great thing on the public roads), however the Mini will just bite in with its electronics. Therefore I feel I can be quite “hamfisted” with the Mini where I had to be more careful in the Elise (especially in the wet).

Also, I had a friend of mine follow me down a county road where we “made progress” shall I say. He was in a Clio 172 Cup and I was in the Elise. After I changed over to the Mini, we attempted the same again and he said “I found it harder to keep in touch with the Mini than the Elise”.

Why is this? Well I think it comes down to the fact that you can be more aggressive with the Mini compared to the Lotus. I mean going down a bumpy, uneven country lane in the Elise does shake you up a bit, so you generally hold off, whereas in the Mini you can keep on going!

Around a track though I reckon the Elise would eat the Mini alive (the JCW included!)

matfrost · Apr 6th, 2005, 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper S Works

for your info, I have (in a totally safe manner and within speed limits of 70mph) beaten a Carrera S 04 plate. And yes, he was driving to the limit. won him through a series of roundabout and 1/2 mile stretches.

Must have been Milton Keynes then

kapps · Apr 6th, 2005, 09:15 PM

Yea, I think it was more to do with driver skill. The MINI has the torque to pull hard but the Elise needs to be driven way up in the revband to get it's power. You really need to to know how to drive to drive an Elise right. The Elise, being mid engine and rwd, has the advantage over the MINI in corners (especially the long, fast one's).

I'd drive either

GTT 280 · Apr 8th, 2005, 10:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by matfrost

Must have been Milton Keynes then

Why is that then ?

wibbly · Apr 8th, 2005, 10:07 PM

Try it against an exige and they'll leave you for dead.....

and as for a Carrera S.... well I've been beaten up by one of those as well

A well driven Carrera S will kick your ass in the corners and leave you long gone by the time you get to the straights

ChrisBuer · Apr 9th, 2005, 12:12 PM

Totally agree.

My father has a limited edition 345bhp 911 which in the bends just leaves me and on the straights....well forget it

Mind you, his car was almost 3 times the value of mine, so I don't mind

Dawn · Apr 9th, 2005, 12:23 PM

Hey some one else fromEssex !!! I hope your not the Blue MCS that pretended not to see me 2 day so he didnt have to wave !!

I know just a girl what does she know , You HAVE to try MCS racing at Rockingham , it might make you change your mind about bends !!!

GTT 280 · Apr 9th, 2005, 12:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisBuer

Totally agree.

My father has a limited edition 345bhp 911 which in the bends just leaves me and on the straights....well forget it

Mind you, his car was almost 3 times the value of mine, so I don't mind

ChrisBuer · Apr 10th, 2005, 03:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper S Works

....meaning?

ChrisBuer · Apr 10th, 2005, 04:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dawn coppen

Hey some one else fromEssex !!! I hope your not the Blue MCS that pretended not to see me 2 day so he didnt have to wave !!

I know just a girl what does she know , You HAVE to try MCS racing at Rockingham , it might make you change your mind about bends !!!

No, I have a Dark Silver Mini

I do generally wave, but there are so many Mini's around my way that I'd never have my hands on the steering wheel

Grimbo · Apr 11th, 2005, 12:21 AM

Went out for a spin in a friend's Ferrari 360 Moderna this evening...
I don't believe an MCS would keep up with that.. no.. definately not

Don't try it on!

I need a Ferrari!!! Utterly insane.. utterly..... gorgeous!

ChrisBuer · Apr 11th, 2005, 07:36 AM

We all need a Ferrari

Never been in a 360, only a 355 and that was around Silverstone with a good driver

Lovely cars....and oh what a lovely sound!!

beken · Apr 11th, 2005, 05:12 PM

I would love to drive a Ferrari or a Lambo or something exotic.

They would look great parked in my driveway. But I would be so paranoid that something would happen to them. I had always wanted to own a Lotus too. But the MINI gets me 90%+ there without the issues. But if somebody should happen to GIVE me an exotic car, I would not hesitate to keep it

Grimbo · Apr 11th, 2005, 09:31 PM

Yep, much as I love the sound of the MCS.. I have to admit that the Ferrari sounds a tiny bit better

Oh my word it sounds AWESOME!!

EuroMini · Apr 12th, 2005, 12:50 AM

Sweet Man!

Apr 1st, 2005, 03:30 PM	#1
oGGy A GinGer ****** Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hinckley/Leics Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 112 Offline	Just had a play with a lotus.... 1/2 a mile 1 round about and he gave up... 05 MCS - lsd what a 4king machine............ I LOVE IT if it fit in my bed the Mrs would be on the couch.... Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.

Apr 1st, 2005, 05:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Shockwave_Factory MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cornwall Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 260 Offline	Good job! Pretty funny because i had a run in with a Lotus a couple of weeks ago, it had a new exhaust on it, you could hear the thing for miles, and i thought that he would leave me no trouble, but to my surprise i stuck with him very easy, so much so that i wasn't sure if he was trying, but thinking about the noise that was coming from it, and the fact he kept looking in his review mirror to see if i was still right behind him, makes me think that he was, the only time he got away was when we hit a 30mph zone, and i slowed down to it, but he kept his foot to the floor, think he juist wanted to get away from me!! Damn did i have a big on my face! lol http://www.handinhand.uk.net/Webpics/mini2banner.jpg

Apr 1st, 2005, 05:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 2,503 Offline	Lsd i'm quite annoyed at the fact i was not offered the LSD when i purchased my mini. i never knew about it. probably not a question you can answer as you haven;t driven a mini without a LSD, but can you notice any improvement on grip and control round bends etc. also - the fact one car beats another may have something to do with driving skill too. but from the way you explained it, perhaps not. :-) I also notice how people drive above the speed limit and take greater risks just to try and out run the MINI. for your info, I have (in a totally safe manner and within speed limits of 70mph) beaten a Carrera S 04 plate. And yes, he was driving to the limit. won him through a series of roundabout and 1/2 mile stretches. MINI - wolf in sheeps clothings, all of em !! Incidentally, i don't have the LSD. Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

Apr 6th, 2005, 01:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 04:00 AM Posts: 893 Offline	I swapped my Series Two Elise (Sport 135 model) for a JCW Mini. Got to say that I agree with the above point to an extent. In the dry the Elise is exceptional around the bends. To get my Mini anywhere close, I’ve had to lower it, put a strut brace on and am now in the process of getting some Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres (the runflats ruin the car imho). My own personal opinion is that the Mini is more forgiving than the Elise is. Basically, if you over cook it in the Elise, the back end will swing out (not a great thing on the public roads), however the Mini will just bite in with its electronics. Therefore I feel I can be quite “hamfisted” with the Mini where I had to be more careful in the Elise (especially in the wet). Also, I had a friend of mine follow me down a county road where we “made progress” shall I say. He was in a Clio 172 Cup and I was in the Elise. After I changed over to the Mini, we attempted the same again and he said “I found it harder to keep in touch with the Mini than the Elise”. Why is this? Well I think it comes down to the fact that you can be more aggressive with the Mini compared to the Lotus. I mean going down a bumpy, uneven country lane in the Elise does shake you up a bit, so you generally hold off, whereas in the Mini you can keep on going! Around a track though I reckon the Elise would eat the Mini alive (the JCW included!) Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

Apr 8th, 2005, 10:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 2,503 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by matfrost Must have been Milton Keynes then Why is that then ? Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

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Apr 6th, 2005, 01:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
Grimbo MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Derby Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 455 Offline	I always try to keep it safe when I'm on the roads.. but I admit to a few little plays now and again It seems pretty much once corners are involved you're playing the trump card in a MINI.. whilst still being perfectly safe (within the limits of physics of course, but then the DSC would try to slap you before then) I know this from being left for dead when I had my last car ( chipped Mk4 Golf 1.8T) by a normal MINI Cooper, not an S!... I had absolutely no chance in any corner and once I got around each one, he was already miles away! When we 'parted company' I gave him a big thumbs up and he was grinning like an ape.. I bet he'd have been grinning even more if he'd known he'd utterly whalloped a 200hp chipped GTI! About a month later I visited the dealer and ordered my MCS. Nuff said, MINIs are brill and they advertise themselves perfectly Find it hillarious looking in the mirror whilst cornering at whats trying to keep up wobbling around the road behind me. .. and I'm just driving the car normally. MINI + LSD = enforced grin! 720 miles on the clock now. I can almost SMELL that >4500 rpm limit!

Apr 6th, 2005, 11:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
strees MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2005 Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 8 Offline	Hmmm Having had 2 Elise's (still own the second) and driven both pre 05 and 05 S's (picking an 02 up next week) I honestly don't think it is anything to do with the car, and more the driver. An elise will go around corners far better then an S. Simple really - rear wheel drive and near perfect 50/50 weight balance v's front engine front wheel drive. S is more likely to understeer when pushed hard before the gizmo's cut in. Don't get me wrong, I like the S, hence buying one for the missus. But a properly drive elise will trounce an S on country roads. I accept that in-gear times for the S are faster, but that is not what the Elise is about. The elise is about balance, driver feel and involvement. There are no gizmo's, and unless you have driven one you cannot appreciate the difference between an S and and Elise.

Apr 6th, 2005, 05:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
matfrost MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: England Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 842 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper S Works for your info, I have (in a totally safe manner and within speed limits of 70mph) beaten a Carrera S 04 plate. And yes, he was driving to the limit. won him through a series of roundabout and 1/2 mile stretches. Must have been Milton Keynes then

Apr 6th, 2005, 09:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
kapps MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Local Time: 12:00 AM Posts: 430 Offline	Yea, I think it was more to do with driver skill. The MINI has the torque to pull hard but the Elise needs to be driven way up in the revband to get it's power. You really need to to know how to drive to drive an Elise right. The Elise, being mid engine and rwd, has the advantage over the MINI in corners (especially the long, fast one's). I'd drive either

Apr 8th, 2005, 10:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
wibbly In my Classic Mk 1 :) Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 6,570 Offline	Try it against an exige and they'll leave you for dead..... and as for a Carrera S.... well I've been beaten up by one of those as well A well driven Carrera S will kick your ass in the corners and leave you long gone by the time you get to the straights \| MINIaddiction \| \| For MIDLANDS Folk in their MINI's \|

Apr 9th, 2005, 12:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 04:00 AM Posts: 893 Offline	Totally agree. My father has a limited edition 345bhp 911 which in the bends just leaves me and on the straights....well forget it Mind you, his car was almost 3 times the value of mine, so I don't mind Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

Apr 9th, 2005, 12:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dawn Work'd Up ! My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 3,055 Offline	Hey some one else fromEssex !!! I hope your not the Blue MCS that pretended not to see me 2 day so he didnt have to wave !! I know just a girl what does she know , You HAVE to try MCS racing at Rockingham , it might make you change your mind about bends !!! EssexMINI2.co.uk...the all newand popular Essex MINI forums

Apr 9th, 2005, 12:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 2,503 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisBuer Totally agree. My father has a limited edition 345bhp 911 which in the bends just leaves me and on the straights....well forget it Mind you, his car was almost 3 times the value of mine, so I don't mind Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

Apr 10th, 2005, 03:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 04:00 AM Posts: 893 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper S Works ....meaning? Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

Apr 10th, 2005, 04:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 04:00 AM Posts: 893 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by dawn coppen Hey some one else fromEssex !!! I hope your not the Blue MCS that pretended not to see me 2 day so he didnt have to wave !! I know just a girl what does she know , You HAVE to try MCS racing at Rockingham , it might make you change your mind about bends !!! No, I have a Dark Silver Mini I do generally wave, but there are so many Mini's around my way that I'd never have my hands on the steering wheel Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

Apr 11th, 2005, 12:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
Grimbo MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Derby Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 455 Offline	Went out for a spin in a friend's Ferrari 360 Moderna this evening... I don't believe an MCS would keep up with that.. no.. definately not Don't try it on! I need a Ferrari!!! Utterly insane.. utterly..... gorgeous!

Apr 11th, 2005, 07:36 AM	#17 (permalink)
ChrisBuer MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Essex Local Time: 04:00 AM Posts: 893 Offline	We all need a Ferrari Never been in a 360, only a 355 and that was around Silverstone with a good driver Lovely cars....and oh what a lovely sound!! Lotus Elise SC - Collecting 1st April

Apr 11th, 2005, 05:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
beken 05 MCS BEP Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Delta, BC, Canada Local Time: 09:00 PM Posts: 1,211 Offline	I would love to drive a Ferrari or a Lambo or something exotic. They would look great parked in my driveway. But I would be so paranoid that something would happen to them. I had always wanted to own a Lotus too. But the MINI gets me 90%+ there without the issues. But if somebody should happen to GIVE me an exotic car, I would not hesitate to keep it

Apr 11th, 2005, 09:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
Grimbo MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Derby Local Time: 05:00 AM Posts: 455 Offline	Yep, much as I love the sound of the MCS.. I have to admit that the Ferrari sounds a tiny bit better Oh my word it sounds AWESOME!!

Apr 12th, 2005, 12:50 AM	#20 (permalink)
EuroMini MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Local Time: 12:00 AM Posts: 11 Offline	Sweet Man!

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