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Big G · Jan 17th, 2006, 12:34 PM

Hi everyone,

I've just had my 54 reg Cooper into the dealer to fix my annoying dashboard rattle and they gave me a 55 reg One as a courtesy car. Having never driven one before, I was expecting it to be quite a lot slower than my Cooper. To my amazement, it was far more responsive, picking up much better in 2nd and 3rd gears!!!! I know this is not just me being pedantic, because at work there is a long stretch with speed bumps and when slowing down to 10mph and accelerating between these in 2nd gear, the One was the far more eager. Much as I love my Cooper, this has annoyed and upset me a bit as I'm beginning to think there's something wrong with my car? I asked the dealer and they just said "...Oh, but they're completely different cars....." Well as far as I know it's only the ECU that's different, not the engine or anything!
Has anyone else found this or should I complain again? Please help..
G

baskers · Jan 17th, 2006, 12:44 PM

Courtesy cars are driven a lot harder, therefore the engine is a worn in a way to make it more responsive (although this may not be best for long term value...).

You may have bedded the car in a little too softly?

Cooper54 · Jan 17th, 2006, 04:48 PM

Im sure the one will be a slower in the mid range, its got a different gearbox ratio and ECU map..

TallAndy · Jan 17th, 2006, 06:38 PM

1. Its newer, not sure if the have the 55 has a better gearbox???

2. Like baskers said the courtesy car will more than likely have been ragged something chronic.

3. Its also possible the One has the same ECU settings as the Cooper.

ALD0 · Jan 17th, 2006, 07:01 PM

What wheels has your Cooper got and what wheels has the ONE got?
Smaller wheels are alot better i.e 15's are lighter than the heavey 17 S Spokes.
I noticed this in my D when I changed from 15's to 17's.

Big G · Jan 17th, 2006, 07:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by *Si*

What wheels has your Cooper got and what wheels has the ONE got?
Smaller wheels are alot better i.e 15's are lighter than the heavey 17 S Spokes.
I noticed this in my D when I changed from 15's to 17's.

Hi guys, thanks for the feedback. My Cooper runs on 16" FIN alloys and the One had the standard 15" ones. It did feel as though the One ran out of steam approaching 5000rpm, but definitely when I drove it from cold in the morning, there was no hesitation or unresponsiveness that I am used to with my Cooper

I guess cos it's my car I drive it a bit more carefully and try not to thrash it

Thanks for the help anyway
G

PJH · Jan 17th, 2006, 07:44 PM

Hire cars have been revved to the max, thus the engine is simply free'er. if you stretch the legs on yours more often, it will free up too. i took a one hire car out and made mine feel slow. so i gave mine the berries more often and hey presto, its a flyer!!

cooper-minx · Jan 17th, 2006, 08:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by PJH

so i gave mine the berries more often and hey presto, its a flyer!!

Interesting ... do you put them in the fuel tank or just on the bonnet? Lol!

PS. You know I am only joking PJH - I like it. Will give mine the berries tomorrow and see what happens

PJH · Jan 17th, 2006, 09:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cooper-minx

Interesting ... do you put them in the fuel tank or just on the bonnet? Lol!

PS. You know I am only joking PJH - I like it. Will give mine the berries tomorrow and see what happens

HAHA no i tried the fuel tank but they just made a mess!! so i just ate them in the end .

truthfully though, give it the beans and the engine will free up and rev faster.

Olly. · Jan 17th, 2006, 10:03 PM

I noticed the same thing when I had a courtesy one. It was only quick in first & second though, seemed to loose it pace after that

It sounded like a bag of bolts as well

ScaryLady · Jan 17th, 2006, 10:40 PM

im a bit of a novice...how does really pushing the car when its x amount old make it freer? does the engine somehow "learn/remember" this?

ALD0 · Jan 18th, 2006, 02:29 PM

The ECU adapts and learns your driving style, from when the car is pretty new

Goonery · Jan 18th, 2006, 02:47 PM

I think you will find slightly different gear ratio's are the answer

coded2112 · Jan 18th, 2006, 03:15 PM

Being a biker, the old adage i stick to is, " If you want a fast one, thrash the nuts off it from day one, if you want reliability run it in more gently"

Only keeping my S for 60,000 miles so has been thrashed to the rev limiter everyday!!

OllyH · Jan 18th, 2006, 03:30 PM

When I was looking at buying a MINI I test drove both the One and the Cooper. The dealer who was selling me the car told me that in her opinion, the One is a nippier car around town because it has most of it's power lower down the rev range, whereas to get maximum power from a Cooper you have to rev it - you feel a real change in acceleration once over 3,000 revs in my opinion. It's just a difference in engine management and most likely nothing wrong with your Cooper. Overall the Cooper is definetley a faster car.

Carlos. · Jan 18th, 2006, 11:16 PM

my 54 cooper has been absolutely ragged ( and I do mean RAGGED-its a lease car) from day one, and is running on rocket 15"ers, and worries a friends S (upto about 100mph) - its all about driving style and wheels

And OllyH - the torque in the cooper comes in bang on 4,400 revs....its not just a change in engine management, the coopers throttle will physically open wider than the one....

Lawrothegreat · Feb 2nd, 2006, 10:13 PM

I've driven two courtesy ones against my cooper and I don't think there is any real difference at low engine speeds because I would guess the torque and power curves up to around 3,000rpm are relatively similar, however above 4,000rpm I've found the ones to be noticeably slower - whereas the cooper hits 60mph in 2nd with ease, in a one you're sitting there watching the speedometer 52, 54, 56, 57mph and you're thinking 'come on'! - which is probably exactly what a S owner thinks when driving a cooper!

stealth haggis · Feb 2nd, 2006, 10:39 PM

the cooper is set a classic driver car set up its top end power is brilliant imo and in 2nd and 3rd and 4th just keeps going and going esp when the ecu has adapted to the 'spirited' setting the drive is brilliant and from experince in the car the ecu adaption dose make a huge difference to the way the cooper responds

matt21 · Feb 3rd, 2006, 04:24 PM

i wouldnt be suprised if the One has been chipped. My dealer admitted to me that some of their demonstrators have been chipped but they keep quiet. This was after I complained that my Cooper wasnt as fast as the one i borrowed before I bought and I could get nowhere near that ones MPG (and this was when mine had done more miles too). A chip later and its running the same

Black Works · Feb 6th, 2006, 12:35 PM

The One and the Cooper do have boxes with different ratios.
Could also be that your cooper has the midlands gearbox, which is a higher ratio then the later getrag box, but Im not sure when thay were fitted from.

Jan 17th, 2006, 12:34 PM	#1
Big G MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Local Time: 08:21 PM Posts: 12 Offline	Why is 55 One quicker than my 54 Cooper?? Hi everyone, I've just had my 54 reg Cooper into the dealer to fix my annoying dashboard rattle and they gave me a 55 reg One as a courtesy car. Having never driven one before, I was expecting it to be quite a lot slower than my Cooper. To my amazement, it was far more responsive, picking up much better in 2nd and 3rd gears!!!! I know this is not just me being pedantic, because at work there is a long stretch with speed bumps and when slowing down to 10mph and accelerating between these in 2nd gear, the One was the far more eager. Much as I love my Cooper, this has annoyed and upset me a bit as I'm beginning to think there's something wrong with my car? I asked the dealer and they just said "...Oh, but they're completely different cars....." Well as far as I know it's only the ECU that's different, not the engine or anything! Has anyone else found this or should I complain again? Please help.. G

Jan 17th, 2006, 07:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
PJH V55:- Do It Join Date: Jan 2006 Local Time: 08:21 PM Posts: 289 Offline	Hire cars have been revved to the max, thus the engine is simply free'er. if you stretch the legs on yours more often, it will free up too. i took a one hire car out and made mine feel slow. so i gave mine the berries more often and hey presto, its a flyer!! P. J :

Jan 17th, 2006, 09:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
PJH V55:- Do It Join Date: Jan 2006 Local Time: 08:21 PM Posts: 289 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by cooper-minx Interesting ... do you put them in the fuel tank or just on the bonnet? Lol! PS. You know I am only joking PJH - I like it. Will give mine the berries tomorrow and see what happens HAHA no i tried the fuel tank but they just made a mess!! so i just ate them in the end . truthfully though, give it the beans and the engine will free up and rev faster. P. J :

Jan 18th, 2006, 11:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
Carlos. Merry Prankster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: dahn sarf, innit! Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 19,172 Offline	my 54 cooper has been absolutely ragged ( and I do mean RAGGED-its a lease car) from day one, and is running on rocket 15"ers, and worries a friends S (upto about 100mph) - its all about driving style and wheels And OllyH - the torque in the cooper comes in bang on 4,400 revs....its not just a change in engine management, the coopers throttle will physically open wider than the one.... I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismograph Ken Kesey 1935-2001

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Jan 17th, 2006, 12:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
baskers MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2005 Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 904 Offline	Courtesy cars are driven a lot harder, therefore the engine is a worn in a way to make it more responsive (although this may not be best for long term value...). You may have bedded the car in a little too softly?

Jan 17th, 2006, 04:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cooper54 Lightweight Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Essex Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 420 Offline	Im sure the one will be a slower in the mid range, its got a different gearbox ratio and ECU map..

Jan 17th, 2006, 06:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
TallAndy Taller Than You! My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bolton Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 1,178 Offline	1. Its newer, not sure if the have the 55 has a better gearbox??? 2. Like baskers said the courtesy car will more than likely have been ragged something chronic. 3. Its also possible the One has the same ECU settings as the Cooper.

Jan 17th, 2006, 07:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
ALD0 Hacking the IBUS Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 9,512 Offline	What wheels has your Cooper got and what wheels has the ONE got? Smaller wheels are alot better i.e 15's are lighter than the heavey 17 S Spokes. I noticed this in my D when I changed from 15's to 17's.

Jan 17th, 2006, 07:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Big G MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Local Time: 08:21 PM Posts: 12 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by *Si* What wheels has your Cooper got and what wheels has the ONE got? Smaller wheels are alot better i.e 15's are lighter than the heavey 17 S Spokes. I noticed this in my D when I changed from 15's to 17's. Hi guys, thanks for the feedback. My Cooper runs on 16" FIN alloys and the One had the standard 15" ones. It did feel as though the One ran out of steam approaching 5000rpm, but definitely when I drove it from cold in the morning, there was no hesitation or unresponsiveness that I am used to with my Cooper I guess cos it's my car I drive it a bit more carefully and try not to thrash it Thanks for the help anyway G

Jan 17th, 2006, 08:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
cooper-minx I live in Mini World! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 1,216 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by PJH so i gave mine the berries more often and hey presto, its a flyer!! Interesting ... do you put them in the fuel tank or just on the bonnet? Lol! PS. You know I am only joking PJH - I like it. Will give mine the berries tomorrow and see what happens

Jan 17th, 2006, 10:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Olly. Overboosting..... Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 3,492 Offline	I noticed the same thing when I had a courtesy one. It was only quick in first & second though, seemed to loose it pace after that It sounded like a bag of bolts as well

Jan 17th, 2006, 10:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
ScaryLady Not really so scary...... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North East England Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 130 Offline	im a bit of a novice...how does really pushing the car when its x amount old make it freer? does the engine somehow "learn/remember" this?

Jan 18th, 2006, 02:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
ALD0 Hacking the IBUS Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 9,512 Offline	The ECU adapts and learns your driving style, from when the car is pretty new

Jan 18th, 2006, 02:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
Goonery You can put lipstick on.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2003 Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 13,687 Offline	I think you will find slightly different gear ratio's are the answer

Jan 18th, 2006, 03:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
coded2112 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bucks Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 299 Offline	Being a biker, the old adage i stick to is, " If you want a fast one, thrash the nuts off it from day one, if you want reliability run it in more gently" Only keeping my S for 60,000 miles so has been thrashed to the rev limiter everyday!!

Jan 18th, 2006, 03:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
OllyH OllyH My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 317 Offline	When I was looking at buying a MINI I test drove both the One and the Cooper. The dealer who was selling me the car told me that in her opinion, the One is a nippier car around town because it has most of it's power lower down the rev range, whereas to get maximum power from a Cooper you have to rev it - you feel a real change in acceleration once over 3,000 revs in my opinion. It's just a difference in engine management and most likely nothing wrong with your Cooper. Overall the Cooper is definetley a faster car.

Feb 2nd, 2006, 10:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
Lawrothegreat Mini Design Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 817 Offline	I've driven two courtesy ones against my cooper and I don't think there is any real difference at low engine speeds because I would guess the torque and power curves up to around 3,000rpm are relatively similar, however above 4,000rpm I've found the ones to be noticeably slower - whereas the cooper hits 60mph in 2nd with ease, in a one you're sitting there watching the speedometer 52, 54, 56, 57mph and you're thinking 'come on'! - which is probably exactly what a S owner thinks when driving a cooper!

Feb 2nd, 2006, 10:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
stealth haggis MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2004 Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 1,773 Offline	the cooper is set a classic driver car set up its top end power is brilliant imo and in 2nd and 3rd and 4th just keeps going and going esp when the ecu has adapted to the 'spirited' setting the drive is brilliant and from experince in the car the ecu adaption dose make a huge difference to the way the cooper responds

Feb 3rd, 2006, 04:24 PM	#19 (permalink)
matt21 Now with S power! My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Rugby/Loughborough Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 24,232 Offline	i wouldnt be suprised if the One has been chipped. My dealer admitted to me that some of their demonstrators have been chipped but they keep quiet. This was after I complained that my Cooper wasnt as fast as the one i borrowed before I bought and I could get nowhere near that ones MPG (and this was when mine had done more miles too). A chip later and its running the same

Feb 6th, 2006, 12:35 PM	#20 (permalink)
Black Works MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Angmering, W Sussex Local Time: 09:21 PM Posts: 102 Offline	The One and the Cooper do have boxes with different ratios. Could also be that your cooper has the midlands gearbox, which is a higher ratio then the later getrag box, but Im not sure when thay were fitted from.

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