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3GGG · Jan 4th, 2003, 07:27 PM

One other thing to take into account is the resale value of the car. The deppreciation is very low and that is the BIGGEST cost of ownership of any car. So don't just look at the bottom line for the cost.

LeeH · Jan 4th, 2003, 08:26 PM

Quote:

I dont want to buy a car for admiring glances though, i want it fast, practical and reliable. (and cheap!)

Are you a troll in disguise?! You'll be hard pushed to find someone here who doesn't like MINIs.

Without getting into your argument, if you want practicality and cheapness, there's a wealth of cars you can choose. I don't think the MINI could in all honesty be seen as practical or cheap when you consider what the same money could buy you.

Let us know what you buy, the MINI clearly isn't for you.

Lee.

noahe · Jan 4th, 2003, 08:46 PM

I'm sure the faults and fixes forum is very disturbing... But this is typical of enthusiast boards.

Whatever else you narrowed your selection down to, find an internet site for that car, and have a look at their problems. Almost every car on the planet has it's share of problems, recalls, revisions and the occasional lemon.

stormcrow · Jan 6th, 2003, 11:53 AM

SS+ on 17" with Runflats. Ride is superb.

Anyone complains about the comfort of my go-kart and they will be catching the bus next time.

scott shand · Jan 15th, 2003, 09:18 AM

i have been driving coopers for the last year now, my first had the 16" ss set up which was brill but this time ive gone for the 16" with ss+ there is a marked diffrence in handling and, i think it is better with the ss+, i live out of town in the middle of the country side which is proper MINI driving roads!

GAJ · Jan 15th, 2003, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scott shand
i have been driving coopers for the last year now, my first had the 16" ss set up which was brill but this time ive gone for the 16" with ss+ there is a marked diffrence in handling and, i think it is better with the ss+, i live out of town in the middle of the country side which is proper MINI driving roads!

Apart from it handling better - do you find the SS+ is harsher over bumps and poor roads?

bigjohnyb84 · Jan 15th, 2003, 05:03 PM

I used to have a One with standard suspension but jus got a new Cooper with 17"s and SS+. I test draove a Cooper with SS and I didn't think it was much different to the normal. My new Cooper is now amazin round corners, I'm sure it's on rails!!

It is a hard ride but you don't mind that when you can take corners at 50mph+.

Good Luck mate! Pete!

v20 · Jan 15th, 2003, 10:49 PM

Ive got the 17's and the SS+ it is a firmer ride with the 17s than the 16s... u defo feel more bumps n holes but the ride is sooo much more fun and only an inch of difference... see size does matter

amt2002 · Jan 16th, 2003, 05:15 PM

could i just ask whether the cooper CHILI pack does actually include SS+ as standard (unless we request otherwise)

I ordered my chili cooper end of december, set for 7th feb delivery, and the salesman said it did, but only after he consulted the accessories book to check (which didnt fill me with confidence)! And after mini changed prices without amending the brocures (such as the extra £20 on chili for the new compulsory glove box and £35 extra for a md player!) A little confusing...

Thanks, Alx.

GAJ · Jan 16th, 2003, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amt2002
could i just ask whether the cooper CHILI pack does actually include SS+ as standard (unless we request otherwise)

I ordered my chili cooper end of december, set for 7th feb delivery, and the salesman said it did, but only after he consulted the accessories book to check (which didnt fill me with confidence)! And after mini changed prices without amending the brocures (such as the extra £20 on chili for the new compulsory glove box and £35 extra for a md player!) A little confusing...

Thanks, Alx.

You must specify that you want SS+ fitted. It's no cost though!

scott shand · Jan 16th, 2003, 08:20 PM

Apart from it handling better - do you find the SS+ is harsher over bumps and poor roads?

GAJ

i do find it hard when it comes to poor roads, but it never affects the line of travel, the car never gets kicked off course. Does this answer your Q ?

GAJ · Jan 16th, 2003, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scott shand
Apart from it handling better - do you find the SS+ is harsher over bumps and poor roads?

GAJ

i do find it hard when it comes to poor roads, but it never affects the line of travel, the car never gets kicked off course. Does this answer your Q ?

I have SS+ on my Cooper too so I know what it's like, I haven't driven a Cooper with standard SS and was really wondering if that gave a noticably more comfortable ride?

I love my SS+ although I agree with your comments above!

scott shand · Jan 19th, 2003, 09:32 AM

I have SS+ on my Cooper too so I know what it's like, I haven't driven a Cooper with standard SS and was really wondering if that gave a noticably more comfortable ride?

I love my SS+ although I agree with your comments above!

GAJ

I would say that the ride is slightly more comfortable, but i can live with out that cause of the cars handling improvments! in short the MINI sticks to the road like sh*t to a blanket

3rdpillar · Mar 18th, 2007, 02:21 PM

Hello
I am collecting my Cherished MCS ( feb 04 ) On Apl 01. The test drive showd that on 17" S spokes the ride was comforatable in comparison to other MCS I tried. This car has Chillipack , but no option on the BMW computer for suspension.

Did the Feb04 MCS come with SS if SS+ was not speced or did it come with softer option...??Got to say , felt good.

amt2002 · Mar 19th, 2007, 09:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 3rdpillar (original)

Hello
I am collecting my Cherished MCS ( feb 04 ) On Apl 01. The test drive showd that on 17" S spokes the ride was comforatable in comparison to other MCS I tried. This car has Chillipack , but no option on the BMW computer for suspension.

Did the Feb04 MCS come with SS if SS+ was not speced or did it come with softer option...??Got to say , felt good.

The MCS has always come with SS+ as standard. The only people that had the choice of the softer SS option were Cooper owners.

Prowse · Apr 4th, 2007, 11:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by amt2002 (original)

The MCS has always come with SS+ as standard. The only people that had the choice of the softer SS option were Cooper owners.

Also keep in mind that SS+ was 'watered-down' for the American market in 2003. The original (and best) SS+ was quite firm. I've driven Coopers with all of the different combinations. Basically the SS->SS+ sorts out body roll, it's the wheel & tyre combination that makes the ride harsher. The benefits of the bigger wheels are cornering and grip in the dry (and appearance), the disadvantage is 'ride comfort'. Saying that, you can make the ride softer with 17 or 18" wheels by using non-runflat tyres.

Yankee · Jun 21st, 2007, 10:51 AM

HI - new to the forum also. Specifically had to find out about sport suspension vs SS+. I had a bit of a fit, just getting my second mini cooper cherished (2006) which was supposed to me a mirror image of my old mini cooper (2004) and I find out that it does not have the SS+, but only SS! I was rather ticked off since the dealer said it did have it - in any event it seems not to make a big difference. I don't mind a stiff ride, I just like to take my corners fast. The new car has 17" wheels which perhaps is better in the end than the small wheels with SS+?

MINI_Chris · Jun 21st, 2007, 02:24 PM

Hi,

My advice would be to think of your future plans for the car, do you want to modify it or are you happy with 16s?

My cooper has SS with 18" wheels and runflats, the ride is perfect for me! The car handles very well without making my teeth fall out on dodgy surrey roads.

If you go for factory 18s the dealer will fit a steering lock limiter to prevent rubbing of the arches with SS+ as it is a little lower, 15mm I think.

SS+ is only £100 more so like others have said its just a matter of preference.

Best of luck with the choice...

Chris.

Jan 4th, 2003, 08:46 PM	#23 (permalink)
noahe MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Local Time: 01:54 AM Posts: 1,639 Offline	I'm sure the faults and fixes forum is very disturbing... But this is typical of enthusiast boards. Whatever else you narrowed your selection down to, find an internet site for that car, and have a look at their problems. Almost every car on the planet has it's share of problems, recalls, revisions and the occasional lemon. Chilli Red/White Cooper S, Sport Pack & Sunroof. Delivered June 12th, 2002! Now with MCS Winter Tire Package.

Jan 6th, 2003, 11:53 AM	#24 (permalink)
stormcrow MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Lurkin in t' shadows Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 506 Offline	SS+ on 17" with Runflats. Ride is superb. Anyone complains about the comfort of my go-kart and they will be catching the bus next time. Stop ruddy rainin cos the 2nd Cam needs a thrashin !

Jan 15th, 2003, 09:18 AM	#25 (permalink)
scott shand MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:54 AM Posts: 137 Offline	i have been driving coopers for the last year now, my first had the 16" ss set up which was brill but this time ive gone for the 16" with ss+ there is a marked diffrence in handling and, i think it is better with the ss+, i live out of town in the middle of the country side which is proper MINI driving roads! S12COT, Cooper 'S' arrives 14th April after 3 years without a Mini i could not help myself!

Jan 15th, 2003, 04:18 PM	#26 (permalink)
GAJ MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by scott shand i have been driving coopers for the last year now, my first had the 16" ss set up which was brill but this time ive gone for the 16" with ss+ there is a marked diffrence in handling and, i think it is better with the ss+, i live out of town in the middle of the country side which is proper MINI driving roads! Apart from it handling better - do you find the SS+ is harsher over bumps and poor roads? Black Cooper, White Roof, White 5 Stars, Chrome Shark Gill Side Vents, Red & Black Cloth/Leather and Silver, Chili Pack, Single Slot C.D. Player, Factory Alarm, Automatic A/C, SS+, a wee black and white cow hanging from the passengers sun-visor and t

Jan 15th, 2003, 05:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
bigjohnyb84 P8TE V Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sheffield Local Time: 06:54 AM Posts: 22 Offline	SS+ all the way! I used to have a One with standard suspension but jus got a new Cooper with 17"s and SS+. I test draove a Cooper with SS and I didn't think it was much different to the normal. My new Cooper is now amazin round corners, I'm sure it's on rails!! It is a hard ride but you don't mind that when you can take corners at 50mph+. Good Luck mate! Pete! Black/Black Cooper S with chili and just bout everythin else. Tinted and ridin on 18" Kahn RSC. Massive sound install with DVD, sub, amp, blue suede everywhere, false floors, unbelievable!

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Jan 4th, 2003, 07:27 PM	#21
3GGG MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kingdom of Fife Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 346 Offline	One other thing to take into account is the resale value of the car. The deppreciation is very low and that is the BIGGEST cost of ownership of any car. So don't just look at the bottom line for the cost.

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Jan 4th, 2003, 08:26 PM	#22 (permalink)
LeeH Under the sky Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Starbucks Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 431 Offline	Quote: I dont want to buy a car for admiring glances though, i want it fast, practical and reliable. (and cheap!) Are you a troll in disguise?! You'll be hard pushed to find someone here who doesn't like MINIs. Without getting into your argument, if you want practicality and cheapness, there's a wealth of cars you can choose. I don't think the MINI could in all honesty be seen as practical or cheap when you consider what the same money could buy you. Let us know what you buy, the MINI clearly isn't for you. Lee.

Jan 15th, 2003, 10:49 PM	#28 (permalink)
v20 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Newcastle Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 60 Offline	Ive got the 17's and the SS+ it is a firmer ride with the 17s than the 16s... u defo feel more bumps n holes but the ride is sooo much more fun and only an inch of difference... see size does matter

Jan 16th, 2003, 05:15 PM	#29 (permalink)
amt2002 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:54 AM Posts: 34 Offline	could i just ask whether the cooper CHILI pack does actually include SS+ as standard (unless we request otherwise) I ordered my chili cooper end of december, set for 7th feb delivery, and the salesman said it did, but only after he consulted the accessories book to check (which didnt fill me with confidence)! And after mini changed prices without amending the brocures (such as the extra £20 on chili for the new compulsory glove box and £35 extra for a md player!) A little confusing... Thanks, Alx.

Jan 16th, 2003, 06:04 PM	#30 (permalink)
GAJ MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by amt2002 could i just ask whether the cooper CHILI pack does actually include SS+ as standard (unless we request otherwise) I ordered my chili cooper end of december, set for 7th feb delivery, and the salesman said it did, but only after he consulted the accessories book to check (which didnt fill me with confidence)! And after mini changed prices without amending the brocures (such as the extra £20 on chili for the new compulsory glove box and £35 extra for a md player!) A little confusing... Thanks, Alx. You must specify that you want SS+ fitted. It's no cost though! Black Cooper, White Roof, White 5 Stars, Chrome Shark Gill Side Vents, Red & Black Cloth/Leather and Silver, Chili Pack, Single Slot C.D. Player, Factory Alarm, Automatic A/C, SS+, a wee black and white cow hanging from the passengers sun-visor and t

Jan 16th, 2003, 08:20 PM	#31 (permalink)
scott shand MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:54 AM Posts: 137 Offline	Apart from it handling better - do you find the SS+ is harsher over bumps and poor roads? GAJ i do find it hard when it comes to poor roads, but it never affects the line of travel, the car never gets kicked off course. Does this answer your Q ? S12COT, Cooper 'S' arrives 14th April after 3 years without a Mini i could not help myself!

Jan 16th, 2003, 08:36 PM	#32 (permalink)
GAJ MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 280 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by scott shand Apart from it handling better - do you find the SS+ is harsher over bumps and poor roads? GAJ i do find it hard when it comes to poor roads, but it never affects the line of travel, the car never gets kicked off course. Does this answer your Q ? I have SS+ on my Cooper too so I know what it's like, I haven't driven a Cooper with standard SS and was really wondering if that gave a noticably more comfortable ride? I love my SS+ although I agree with your comments above! Black Cooper, White Roof, White 5 Stars, Chrome Shark Gill Side Vents, Red & Black Cloth/Leather and Silver, Chili Pack, Single Slot C.D. Player, Factory Alarm, Automatic A/C, SS+, a wee black and white cow hanging from the passengers sun-visor and t

Jan 19th, 2003, 09:32 AM	#33 (permalink)
scott shand MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:54 AM Posts: 137 Offline	I have SS+ on my Cooper too so I know what it's like, I haven't driven a Cooper with standard SS and was really wondering if that gave a noticably more comfortable ride? I love my SS+ although I agree with your comments above! GAJ I would say that the ride is slightly more comfortable, but i can live with out that cause of the cars handling improvments! in short the MINI sticks to the road like sh*t to a blanket S12COT, Cooper 'S' arrives 14th April after 3 years without a Mini i could not help myself!

Mar 18th, 2007, 02:21 PM	#34 (permalink)
3rdpillar MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Blackburn Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 531 Offline	Hello I am collecting my Cherished MCS ( feb 04 ) On Apl 01. The test drive showd that on 17" S spokes the ride was comforatable in comparison to other MCS I tried. This car has Chillipack , but no option on the BMW computer for suspension. Did the Feb04 MCS come with SS if SS+ was not speced or did it come with softer option...??Got to say , felt good. Last edited by 3rdpillar : Mar 18th, 2007 at 05:38 PM. Reason: spellin...

Mar 19th, 2007, 09:29 AM	#35 (permalink)
amt2002 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 06:54 AM Posts: 34 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 3rdpillar (original) Hello I am collecting my Cherished MCS ( feb 04 ) On Apl 01. The test drive showd that on 17" S spokes the ride was comforatable in comparison to other MCS I tried. This car has Chillipack , but no option on the BMW computer for suspension. Did the Feb04 MCS come with SS if SS+ was not speced or did it come with softer option...??Got to say , felt good. The MCS has always come with SS+ as standard. The only people that had the choice of the softer SS option were Cooper owners.

Apr 4th, 2007, 11:57 AM	#36 (permalink)
Prowse MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lancs Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 1,542 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by amt2002 (original) The MCS has always come with SS+ as standard. The only people that had the choice of the softer SS option were Cooper owners. Also keep in mind that SS+ was 'watered-down' for the American market in 2003. The original (and best) SS+ was quite firm. I've driven Coopers with all of the different combinations. Basically the SS->SS+ sorts out body roll, it's the wheel & tyre combination that makes the ride harsher. The benefits of the bigger wheels are cornering and grip in the dry (and appearance), the disadvantage is 'ride comfort'. Saying that, you can make the ride softer with 17 or 18" wheels by using non-runflat tyres.

Jun 21st, 2007, 10:51 AM	#37 (permalink)
Yankee MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 1 Offline	HI - new to the forum also. Specifically had to find out about sport suspension vs SS+. I had a bit of a fit, just getting my second mini cooper cherished (2006) which was supposed to me a mirror image of my old mini cooper (2004) and I find out that it does not have the SS+, but only SS! I was rather ticked off since the dealer said it did have it - in any event it seems not to make a big difference. I don't mind a stiff ride, I just like to take my corners fast. The new car has 17" wheels which perhaps is better in the end than the small wheels with SS+?

Jun 21st, 2007, 02:24 PM	#38 (permalink)
MINI_Chris silver recaros....mmm Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Surrey Local Time: 07:54 AM Posts: 155 Offline	Hi, My advice would be to think of your future plans for the car, do you want to modify it or are you happy with 16s? My cooper has SS with 18" wheels and runflats, the ride is perfect for me! The car handles very well without making my teeth fall out on dodgy surrey roads. If you go for factory 18s the dealer will fit a steering lock limiter to prevent rubbing of the arches with SS+ as it is a little lower, 15mm I think. SS+ is only £100 more so like others have said its just a matter of preference. Best of luck with the choice... Chris.

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