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GTT 280 · Feb 6th, 2002, 08:51 AM

I've just had a look at the images that are available from the home page of this site.

It would appear to me that the Cooper S is desperately trying to look better than the Cooper.

Most of the comments that accompant the Cooper S pictures can actually be applied to the Cooper too.

And when you begin to look at the images of them both side by side you really begin to appreciate the looks of the Cooper over the Cooper S.

I think there will always be a rival between the two models, but hey, Cooper S has a massive insurance grouping and hence cost. And at the end of the day the Cooper is capable of doing over 120Mph and when you drive a MINI it's all about handling, not racing off from the lights.

I mean, I raced a Golf GTI Turbo onto the motorway yesterday and I raced past it at 90 mph on what could only be compared with a large round about. The cornering was AMAZING - oh, and did I tell you it was raining hard !!

I never saw it again - MINI 1 : VW 0.

So - Who needs the Cooper S when you have the Cooper. It shares the same suspension, wheels, interior, chasis etc.

Does anybody share these thoughts...?

baldie · Feb 6th, 2002, 11:19 AM

I kind of agree.

I was a bit worried that I was spending just under £1k less than a Cooper S on my Cooper.

I prefer the look of the Cooper - with chrome and without the ulgy 'RS Turbo' vent in the bonnet. Dont really like the exhaust either - VW Lupu GTI pulls it off much better.

Of course id like the 163bhp but im not unhappy as a man with another Cooper Chili order placed.

Dave

smartbomb · Feb 6th, 2002, 11:23 AM

Blimey ! I thought I was the only one who doesn't like the styling of the S. The scoop looks very 80s and the bumpers look too after-market. The Cooper has a very cohesive design whereas the S has too many changes such as the carry handle spoiler.
I could wait and buy an S, but am delighted to be the future owner of a Cooper.

kshapiro · Feb 6th, 2002, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KAS
I've just had a look at the images that are available from the home page of this site.

It would appear to me that the Cooper S is desperately trying to look better than the Cooper.

Most of the comments that accompant the Cooper S pictures can actually be applied to the Cooper too.

And when you begin to look at the images of them both side by side you really begin to appreciate the looks of the Cooper over the Cooper S.

I think there will always be a rival between the two models, but hey, Cooper S has a massive insurance grouping and hence cost. And at the end of the day the Cooper is capable of doing over 120Mph and when you drive a MINI it's all about handling, not racing off from the lights.

I mean, I raced a Golf GTI Turbo onto the motorway yesterday and I raced past it at 90 mph on what could only be compared with a large round about. The cornering was AMAZING - oh, and did I tell you it was raining hard !!

I never saw it again - MINI 1 : VW 0.

So - Who needs the Cooper S when you have the Cooper. It shares the same suspension, wheels, interior, chasis etc.

Does anybody share these thoughts...?

Well..the Cooper is just as "good" as the "S". After all, it's whatever floats YOUR boat in the end...right? However the two models do not share the same suspension unless you upgrade the Cooper. The same goes for the wheels. And the interior has differences as well. The turbo GTI must have been eating a burger. Since all opinions are valid, I feel that the "S" makes the formerly "hot" looking Cooper a little less "hot".I Love the much more muscular, business-like look of the "S". Just my opinion though...no more valid than anybody's.

MrCooper · Feb 6th, 2002, 03:16 PM

By Smartbomb

"Blimey ! I thought I was the only one who doesn't like the styling of the S. The scoop looks very 80s and the bumpers look too after-market. The Cooper has a very cohesive design whereas the S has too many changes such as the carry handle spoiler.
I could wait and buy an S, but am delighted to be the future owner of a Cooper."

By Baldie

"I was a bit worried that I was spending just under £1k less than a Cooper S on my Cooper.

I prefer the look of the Cooper - with chrome and without the ulgy 'RS Turbo' vent in the bonnet."

It's like one mind fellas - I couldn't have put it better myself. I thought I was the only one too!

Drakken · Feb 6th, 2002, 04:04 PM

Personally, I like the clean look of the Cooper better than the S. If I could have it all I'd get a Cooper with sports package and the power of the S. A few performance groups are talking about a turbo kit for the Cooper so that's always an option. I'm on both lists at Princeton MINI but I'm going to get the Cooper with the sports and premium packages instead of the S.

I used to have a Twin Turbo 300Z and the turbo and NA guys were always fighting over which is better. I hope the MINI guys/gals don't do this. As far as I'm concerned all MINI's are cool including the classic. We all should respect each others choices and embrace the spirit of the MINI regardless of which one it is.

Jazzy Jase · Feb 6th, 2002, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kshapiro
Well..the Cooper is just as "good" as the "S". After all, it's whatever floats YOUR boat in the end...right? However the two models do not share the same suspension unless you upgrade the Cooper. The same goes for the wheels. And the interior has differences as well. The turbo GTI must have been eating a burger. Since all opinions are valid, I feel that the "S" makes the formerly "hot" looking Cooper a little less "hot".I Love the much more muscular, business-like look of the "S". Just my opinion though...no more valid than anybody's.

I agree with kshapiro.

My personal preference is that I don't like all the chrome of the Cooper and would rather have a MINI One.

BruceK · Feb 6th, 2002, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Drakken
"Only those who dare, truely live."
-Enzo Ferrari

Drakken, since you like old Enzo I couldn't resist this picture which shows one of his 3 Mini Coopers (and his friend Sir Alec as well).

When Mr. Ferrari wanted to drive a fun car this is what he chose. And if he was still alive today, he'd probably want a new MINI Cooper S!

Drakken · Feb 6th, 2002, 11:28 PM

That's awesome!!! I didn't know Enzo was a Mini fan. Thanks for the picture.

smiffy · Feb 7th, 2002, 04:12 AM

I can just see the Mafia using the MINI now

hey, Tony Soprano to have a Cooper S

GTT 280 · Feb 11th, 2002, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kshapiro

Well..the Cooper is just as "good" as the "S". After all, it's whatever floats YOUR boat in the end...right? However the two models do not share the same suspension unless you upgrade the Cooper. The same goes for the wheels. And the interior has differences as well. The turbo GTI must have been eating a burger. Since all opinions are valid, I feel that the "S" makes the formerly "hot" looking Cooper a little less "hot".I Love the much more muscular, business-like look of the "S". Just my opinion though...no more valid than anybody's.

Well I can tell you that he wasn't eating a burger - I can verify that as I sped past him. He was also racing me too as he was zipping in and out of lanes to cath me up.

I also had the upgrade to SS+ and fat alloys !

I went for a test drive in the Turbo GTI before I bought the mini (same size engine) and it didn't perform for me.

...and before you come back with a smart alleck reply, I race frequently at Oulton park, so I know what I'm talking about !!

Also, when you refer to the interior of the cooper being different to the S then if you mean the '6' on the gear know, then your correct.

Lets face it - the S is just to comfort the boy racers who have small .....

long live the COOPER !!

orie's_mini · Feb 12th, 2002, 03:26 AM

Lookwise, i prefer the Cooper to the Cooper S as it is more true to the classic.

Personally i do find the S unappealling with the air intake vent on the bonnet, less chrome and if i were to make a choice again, i would still choose the Cooper.
i am truly truly happy with my cooper that arrived a week ago.

long live the cooper!

Paul · Feb 12th, 2002, 04:30 AM

I think the S front end is more true to the classic Mini in shape, more bullnosed thanks to the bulge on the bonnet.

The standard interior trim is different. Sports seats alloy look dash, leather s/wheel and gear lever etc....

I like them both, the main down side on the S for me is the roof spoiler, I dont like spoilers.

teddyx · Apr 11th, 2004, 07:47 PM

Personally speeaking, I have not seen a mini I didn't like, even though I drive the most eye-catching 'S' , in dark silver and white,I still admire all others. I'll be up for the s convertible, placing my order Thursday morning. I already hate the thought of losing the mini I have - feels kinda like a betrayal. Might have to keep him as well!

AtomicKiwi · Apr 11th, 2004, 09:01 PM

I think Cooper's and S' are both gorgeous cars!

I drive a Cooper, but I think S' are equally nice looking. I love the front scoop on the S, and the bumpers.

Red Dwarf · Apr 11th, 2004, 09:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by teddyx

Personally speeaking, I have not seen a mini I didn't like, even though I drive the most eye-catching 'S' , in dark silver and white,I still admire all others. I'll be up for the s convertible, placing my order Thursday morning. I already hate the thought of losing the mini I have - feels kinda like a betrayal. Might have to keep him as well!

You heart breaker! Leaving your MCS for a younger model

mikeythemikey · Apr 11th, 2004, 09:09 PM

You all know the cooper S looks better.. you just cant afford it.. paupers. As for a cooper beating a gti? nah, he was eating a burger and reading the paper

Red Dwarf · Apr 11th, 2004, 09:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mikeythemikey

You all know the cooper S looks better.. you just cant afford it.. paupers. As for a cooper beating a gti? nah, he was eating a burger and reading the paper

I see Mikey.... well all I can say is

Rakey · Apr 11th, 2004, 09:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KAS

I've just had a look at the images that are available from the home page of this site.

It would appear to me that the Cooper S is desperately trying to look better than the Cooper.

Most of the comments that accompant the Cooper S pictures can actually be applied to the Cooper too.

So how about giving us these comments you are refering too? Both cars look equally as good as each IMO, so not sure why you are bashing the MCS?

Quote: Originally Posted by KAS

And when you begin to look at the images of them both side by side you really begin to appreciate the looks of the Cooper over the Cooper S.

I think there will always be a rival between the two models, but hey, Cooper S has a massive insurance grouping and hence cost. And at the end of the day the Cooper is capable of doing over 120Mph and when you drive a MINI it's all about handling, not racing off from the lights.

I mean, I raced a Golf GTI Turbo onto the motorway yesterday and I raced past it at 90 mph on what could only be compared with a large round about. The cornering was AMAZING - oh, and did I tell you it was raining hard !!

I never saw it again - MINI 1 : VW 0.

So - Who needs the Cooper S when you have the Cooper. It shares the same suspension, wheels, interior, chasis etc.

Does anybody share these thoughts...?

Not sure what you mean about rivalry between both models, not seen this or been apart of this myself, like I said both cars are equally good looking as the other. So not sure why you are bashing the S? Are you trying to convince yourself that you have the better car, and that the higher priced S which you don't have is a poor car? Is there really a bit of envy behind this thread starting?

As for racing well if you are happy boasting about speeding and racing a Golf on public roads then good luck to you, but its not something I would be shouting about.

If you actaully read about both cars, there are differences as people have pointed out, if you are going to start a debate it is best to be educated and find out about the subject firstly.

Now my personal opinion is when I brought my MINI I went to order a Cooper, loved the look and was smitten with the classic styling, the chrome inserts on the bumpers. But upon then a closer look at the S and of course a drive I had to have one. The side profile is more fitting to the classic shape, with the squarer more bulging bonnet, it just looks more like a classic MINI.

So I am guessing that if it is this you don't like then you won't be ordering a new engined MINI in 2005, as this is most likely going to bulging up the bonnet on all of the range, if the pics of the test mule are anything to go by.

I await your reply KAS

kyriian · Apr 11th, 2004, 09:38 PM

cooper looks somewhat cuter... mainly i think that is cuze its rounder around the bumper... and all that chrome is overkill to me though...

the S is alot more agressive.. even subdue colors like white makes the S looks very agressive... i never liked the S spoilers tho.. reminds me of a bag handle!

i never felt there are rivalary between the two.. the cooper has its good points and so does the S... i love both equally...

Feb 6th, 2002, 08:51 AM	#1
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 01:07 PM Posts: 2,472 Offline	Image of the Cooper against the Cooper S I've just had a look at the images that are available from the home page of this site. It would appear to me that the Cooper S is desperately trying to look better than the Cooper. Most of the comments that accompant the Cooper S pictures can actually be applied to the Cooper too. And when you begin to look at the images of them both side by side you really begin to appreciate the looks of the Cooper over the Cooper S. I think there will always be a rival between the two models, but hey, Cooper S has a massive insurance grouping and hence cost. And at the end of the day the Cooper is capable of doing over 120Mph and when you drive a MINI it's all about handling, not racing off from the lights. I mean, I raced a Golf GTI Turbo onto the motorway yesterday and I raced past it at 90 mph on what could only be compared with a large round about. The cornering was AMAZING - oh, and did I tell you it was raining hard !! I never saw it again - MINI 1 : VW 0. So - Who needs the Cooper S when you have the Cooper. It shares the same suspension, wheels, interior, chasis etc. Does anybody share these thoughts...?

Feb 6th, 2002, 11:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
baldie MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Scotland Local Time: 12:07 PM Posts: 113 Offline	I kind of agree. I was a bit worried that I was spending just under £1k less than a Cooper S on my Cooper. I prefer the look of the Cooper - with chrome and without the ulgy 'RS Turbo' vent in the bonnet. Dont really like the exhaust either - VW Lupu GTI pulls it off much better. Of course id like the 163bhp but im not unhappy as a man with another Cooper Chili order placed. Dave First Cooper REJECTED on 29th Jan Solid black with all the white bits. Chili, sunroof, MFSW, ASC&T, heater washers, ISOFIX, Computer, MiniDisc BOOST, CD changer prep - arrived 1st March. www.dave.mcrae.btinternet.co.uk

Feb 6th, 2002, 12:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
kshapiro MINI2 Master Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Local Time: 12:07 PM Posts: 938 Offline	Re: Image of the Cooper against the Cooper S Quote: Originally posted by KAS I've just had a look at the images that are available from the home page of this site. It would appear to me that the Cooper S is desperately trying to look better than the Cooper. Most of the comments that accompant the Cooper S pictures can actually be applied to the Cooper too. And when you begin to look at the images of them both side by side you really begin to appreciate the looks of the Cooper over the Cooper S. I think there will always be a rival between the two models, but hey, Cooper S has a massive insurance grouping and hence cost. And at the end of the day the Cooper is capable of doing over 120Mph and when you drive a MINI it's all about handling, not racing off from the lights. I mean, I raced a Golf GTI Turbo onto the motorway yesterday and I raced past it at 90 mph on what could only be compared with a large round about. The cornering was AMAZING - oh, and did I tell you it was raining hard !! I never saw it again - MINI 1 : VW 0. So - Who needs the Cooper S when you have the Cooper. It shares the same suspension, wheels, interior, chasis etc. Does anybody share these thoughts...? Well..the Cooper is just as "good" as the "S". After all, it's whatever floats YOUR boat in the end...right? However the two models do not share the same suspension unless you upgrade the Cooper. The same goes for the wheels. And the interior has differences as well. The turbo GTI must have been eating a burger. Since all opinions are valid, I feel that the "S" makes the formerly "hot" looking Cooper a little less "hot".I Love the much more muscular, business-like look of the "S". Just my opinion though...no more valid than anybody's. Ken Shapiro Electric Blue w/ Sport Package...first "S" delivered in Maryland (5/10/02) I've been everywhere but the electric chair...I've seen everything but the wind.

Feb 6th, 2002, 03:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
MrCooper MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Lincoln Local Time: 12:07 PM Posts: 357 Offline	By Smartbomb "Blimey ! I thought I was the only one who doesn't like the styling of the S. The scoop looks very 80s and the bumpers look too after-market. The Cooper has a very cohesive design whereas the S has too many changes such as the carry handle spoiler. I could wait and buy an S, but am delighted to be the future owner of a Cooper." By Baldie "I was a bit worried that I was spending just under £1k less than a Cooper S on my Cooper. I prefer the look of the Cooper - with chrome and without the ulgy 'RS Turbo' vent in the bonnet." It's like one mind fellas - I couldn't have put it better myself. I thought I was the only one too! Red/white Cooper with Chilli, AC, ASC+T, Computer, Kenwood MP3, Alarm, 17" wheels, BLOODY BIG SMILE. It may say Lincoln but oi be Oirish.

Feb 6th, 2002, 04:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jazzy Jase Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 12:07 PM Posts: 432 Offline	Re: Re: Image of the Cooper against the Cooper S Quote: Originally posted by kshapiro Well..the Cooper is just as "good" as the "S". After all, it's whatever floats YOUR boat in the end...right? However the two models do not share the same suspension unless you upgrade the Cooper. The same goes for the wheels. And the interior has differences as well. The turbo GTI must have been eating a burger. Since all opinions are valid, I feel that the "S" makes the formerly "hot" looking Cooper a little less "hot".I Love the much more muscular, business-like look of the "S". Just my opinion though...no more valid than anybody's. I agree with kshapiro. My personal preference is that I don't like all the chrome of the Cooper and would rather have a MINI One.

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Feb 6th, 2002, 11:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
smartbomb Bring the noise My Classifieds Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Trancentral Local Time: 12:07 PM Posts: 2,437 Offline	Blimey ! I thought I was the only one who doesn't like the styling of the S. The scoop looks very 80s and the bumpers look too after-market. The Cooper has a very cohesive design whereas the S has too many changes such as the carry handle spoiler. I could wait and buy an S, but am delighted to be the future owner of a Cooper.

Feb 6th, 2002, 04:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
Drakken MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 08:07 AM Posts: 283 Offline	Personally, I like the clean look of the Cooper better than the S. If I could have it all I'd get a Cooper with sports package and the power of the S. A few performance groups are talking about a turbo kit for the Cooper so that's always an option. I'm on both lists at Princeton MINI but I'm going to get the Cooper with the sports and premium packages instead of the S. I used to have a Twin Turbo 300Z and the turbo and NA guys were always fighting over which is better. I hope the MINI guys/gals don't do this. As far as I'm concerned all MINI's are cool including the classic. We all should respect each others choices and embrace the spirit of the MINI regardless of which one it is.

Feb 6th, 2002, 07:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 06:07 AM Posts: 3,759 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Drakken "Only those who dare, truely live." -Enzo Ferrari Drakken, since you like old Enzo I couldn't resist this picture which shows one of his 3 Mini Coopers (and his friend Sir Alec as well). When Mr. Ferrari wanted to drive a fun car this is what he chose. And if he was still alive today, he'd probably want a new MINI Cooper S! Attached Thumbnails + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Feb 6th, 2002, 11:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Drakken MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 08:07 AM Posts: 283 Offline	That's awesome!!! I didn't know Enzo was a Mini fan. Thanks for the picture.

Feb 7th, 2002, 04:12 AM	#10 (permalink)
smiffy MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Here Local Time: 12:07 PM Posts: 5,778 Offline	I can just see the Mafia using the MINI now hey, Tony Soprano to have a Cooper S S for Smiffy "Kids in the front seat cause accidents, accidents in the backseat cause kids!"

Feb 11th, 2002, 09:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 01:07 PM Posts: 2,472 Offline	Re: Re: Image of the Cooper against the Cooper S Quote: Originally posted by kshapiro Well..the Cooper is just as "good" as the "S". After all, it's whatever floats YOUR boat in the end...right? However the two models do not share the same suspension unless you upgrade the Cooper. The same goes for the wheels. And the interior has differences as well. The turbo GTI must have been eating a burger. Since all opinions are valid, I feel that the "S" makes the formerly "hot" looking Cooper a little less "hot".I Love the much more muscular, business-like look of the "S". Just my opinion though...no more valid than anybody's. Well I can tell you that he wasn't eating a burger - I can verify that as I sped past him. He was also racing me too as he was zipping in and out of lanes to cath me up. I also had the upgrade to SS+ and fat alloys ! I went for a test drive in the Turbo GTI before I bought the mini (same size engine) and it didn't perform for me. ...and before you come back with a smart alleck reply, I race frequently at Oulton park, so I know what I'm talking about !! Also, when you refer to the interior of the cooper being different to the S then if you mean the '6' on the gear know, then your correct. Lets face it - the S is just to comfort the boy racers who have small ..... long live the COOPER !!

Feb 12th, 2002, 03:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
orie's_mini MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Switzerland Local Time: 01:07 PM Posts: 48 Offline	Lookwise, i prefer the Cooper to the Cooper S as it is more true to the classic. Personally i do find the S unappealling with the air intake vent on the bonnet, less chrome and if i were to make a choice again, i would still choose the Cooper. i am truly truly happy with my cooper that arrived a week ago. long live the cooper!

Feb 12th, 2002, 04:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:07 PM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Re: Re: Re: Image of the Cooper against the Cooper S I think the S front end is more true to the classic Mini in shape, more bullnosed thanks to the bulge on the bonnet. The standard interior trim is different. Sports seats alloy look dash, leather s/wheel and gear lever etc.... I like them both, the main down side on the S for me is the roof spoiler, I dont like spoilers.

Apr 11th, 2004, 07:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
teddyx MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nr Cambridge, UK Local Time: 12:07 PM Posts: 45 Offline	coopers/cooper Personally speeaking, I have not seen a mini I didn't like, even though I drive the most eye-catching 'S' , in dark silver and white,I still admire all others. I'll be up for the s convertible, placing my order Thursday morning. I already hate the thought of losing the mini I have - feels kinda like a betrayal. Might have to keep him as well! MSCS, Black on Black, Cordoba, Chilli, MFSW, Visibilty, Chrono, Chrome In and Out, Chrome Caps. Woof!

Apr 11th, 2004, 09:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
AtomicKiwi Aimee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stamford, CT Local Time: 08:07 AM Posts: 261 Offline	I think Cooper's and S' are both gorgeous cars! I drive a Cooper, but I think S' are equally nice looking. I love the front scoop on the S, and the bumpers. http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/15663/36778.jpg

Apr 11th, 2004, 09:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
Red Dwarf Stoke me a Clipper! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Northamptonshire Local Time: 01:07 PM Posts: 1,063 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by teddyx Personally speeaking, I have not seen a mini I didn't like, even though I drive the most eye-catching 'S' , in dark silver and white,I still admire all others. I'll be up for the s convertible, placing my order Thursday morning. I already hate the thought of losing the mini I have - feels kinda like a betrayal. Might have to keep him as well! You heart breaker! Leaving your MCS for a younger model Red Dwarf has left the room

Apr 11th, 2004, 09:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
mikeythemikey MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 12:07 PM Posts: 247 Offline	You all know the cooper S looks better.. you just cant afford it.. paupers. As for a cooper beating a gti? nah, he was eating a burger and reading the paper

Apr 11th, 2004, 09:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
Red Dwarf Stoke me a Clipper! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Northamptonshire Local Time: 01:07 PM Posts: 1,063 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mikeythemikey You all know the cooper S looks better.. you just cant afford it.. paupers. As for a cooper beating a gti? nah, he was eating a burger and reading the paper I see Mikey.... well all I can say is Red Dwarf has left the room

Apr 11th, 2004, 09:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
Rakey I am not a number!! My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Village Local Time: 01:07 PM Posts: 50,326 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KAS I've just had a look at the images that are available from the home page of this site. It would appear to me that the Cooper S is desperately trying to look better than the Cooper. Most of the comments that accompant the Cooper S pictures can actually be applied to the Cooper too. So how about giving us these comments you are refering too? Both cars look equally as good as each IMO, so not sure why you are bashing the MCS? Quote: Originally Posted by KAS And when you begin to look at the images of them both side by side you really begin to appreciate the looks of the Cooper over the Cooper S. I think there will always be a rival between the two models, but hey, Cooper S has a massive insurance grouping and hence cost. And at the end of the day the Cooper is capable of doing over 120Mph and when you drive a MINI it's all about handling, not racing off from the lights. I mean, I raced a Golf GTI Turbo onto the motorway yesterday and I raced past it at 90 mph on what could only be compared with a large round about. The cornering was AMAZING - oh, and did I tell you it was raining hard !! I never saw it again - MINI 1 : VW 0. So - Who needs the Cooper S when you have the Cooper. It shares the same suspension, wheels, interior, chasis etc. Does anybody share these thoughts...? Not sure what you mean about rivalry between both models, not seen this or been apart of this myself, like I said both cars are equally good looking as the other. So not sure why you are bashing the S? Are you trying to convince yourself that you have the better car, and that the higher priced S which you don't have is a poor car? Is there really a bit of envy behind this thread starting? As for racing well if you are happy boasting about speeding and racing a Golf on public roads then good luck to you, but its not something I would be shouting about. If you actaully read about both cars, there are differences as people have pointed out, if you are going to start a debate it is best to be educated and find out about the subject firstly. Now my personal opinion is when I brought my MINI I went to order a Cooper, loved the look and was smitten with the classic styling, the chrome inserts on the bumpers. But upon then a closer look at the S and of course a drive I had to have one. The side profile is more fitting to the classic shape, with the squarer more bulging bonnet, it just looks more like a classic MINI. So I am guessing that if it is this you don't like then you won't be ordering a new engined MINI in 2005, as this is most likely going to bulging up the bonnet on all of the range, if the pics of the test mule are anything to go by. I await your reply KAS Its only a forum you know! Last edited by Rakey : Apr 12th, 2004 at 12:37 PM.

Apr 11th, 2004, 09:38 PM	#20 (permalink)
kyriian Dating my S Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, ON Local Time: 07:07 AM Posts: 597 Offline	cooper looks somewhat cuter... mainly i think that is cuze its rounder around the bumper... and all that chrome is overkill to me though... the S is alot more agressive.. even subdue colors like white makes the S looks very agressive... i never liked the S spoilers tho.. reminds me of a bag handle! i never felt there are rivalary between the two.. the cooper has its good points and so does the S... i love both equally... 03 Dark Silver MCS w/ White roof

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