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rjwatson · Mar 3rd, 2002, 03:16 PM

On Saturday we took a couple of BMW MINI's into the Peak District to give them a good blasting. Mine was a Cooper with a Pepper pack and 16" wheels, my mates was a Cooper with a Chilli Pack.

It was noticeable that my Cooper was faster than my mates, when we were accelerating flat out he was lagging behind. Both our cars have done 5k miles, we each had a passenger although my passenger was twice as heavy as his!!!!

I was just wondering what other people had noticed when they had been racing. From what we have found you are definately better off with the Pepper pack if you want that extra half second when accelerating.

It doesn't really bother me either way which is faster(if any is) but I know there are folks about that are obsessed with every 10th of a second!

Red & White Cooper 2 · Mar 3rd, 2002, 05:02 PM

This doesn't really make any sense. The main difference between a Chili Cooper and the Pepper Cooper is the wheels and you say you have the same 16" wheels as the Chili.

All I can put it down to is production variations or possibly driver technique (revs at which you change up and speed of gear-change).

ELISEBOY · Mar 3rd, 2002, 05:56 PM

did the chilli weigh any more??
heavier wheels or anything like this?

An_S_4_Me · Mar 3rd, 2002, 06:03 PM

OI!!!

I am not twice as heavy as Si's passenger was!
My ass is not as nice to look at as hers was either for that matter

Roger, as I was your passenger, you were flooring it, and have been in with Si (the other driver) before, Si would have been flat out too, so the Pepper pack car was definately faster throughout the drive than the chilli IMHO.

Both had the 5 star 16" wheels

Andy

LMB · Mar 3rd, 2002, 07:12 PM

It could be to do with how cafeful the engine was run in.

Jazzy Jase · Mar 4th, 2002, 04:02 AM

Did the slower car have the aircon turned on?

smiffy · Mar 4th, 2002, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LMB
It could be to do with how cafeful the engine was run in.

I have to agree with LMB on this one. Anyway one of you could have been driving slower

An_S_4_Me · Mar 4th, 2002, 09:12 AM

The driver of the 2nd car had the windows down to hear the engine as it purred.

Both drivers were gunning it

Andy

Kinster · Mar 4th, 2002, 10:34 AM

One of you drive's like my mum!

baldie · Mar 4th, 2002, 11:19 AM

I suspect whoever was in front hit the gas 0.5 seconds before the guy behind.

Therefore the guy behind cant catch u if you are both flat out in identical cars.

You would need to drive each others cars one at a time in identical circumstances to establish any differences in car.

Dave

PS - why is Muchael Schumacher faster than Rubens Barrichello ? - same car !

monsta · Mar 5th, 2002, 04:37 AM

I think it was the tyres.

On the old Coopers, the sportspack one (13" wheels with wider tyres) was about half a second slower than the standard Cooper (12" wheels with standard width tyres)

There were no other differences the engine was exactly the same

MrCooper · Mar 5th, 2002, 02:34 PM

If the windows were down this increases drag - don't know by how much though.

Quote:

It could be to do with how cafeful the engine was run in.

What would be the best way - I'm currently staying below 4000rpm and generally being gentle as much as possible (can't always manage it to be honest).

Red Cooper · Mar 6th, 2002, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baldie
I suspect whoever was in front hit the gas 0.5 seconds before the guy behind.

Therefore the guy behind cant catch u if you are both flat out in identical cars.

You would need to drive each others cars one at a time in identical circumstances to establish any differences in car.

Dave

PS - why is Muchael Schumacher faster than Rubens Barrichello ? - same car !

Also consider the "clean air" the car in front took advantage of... The second car would have to go through the air "disturbed" by the first car.

rjwatson · Mar 6th, 2002, 04:35 PM

OK so to recap....
The theories posted about the vehicle travelling in 2nd posistion are very good points I should imagine. To an extent I agree as when I was in 2nd posistion the difference didn't seem as great. However I still gained very slighlty on my mate.

Maybe it is because I didn't care much about running in, just did a few hundred miles steady away then opened up the taps. Another point could be that I don't have an airconditioner whereas Simon has a Climate Controller. He had it turned off, whilst I'm no anorak, I'm sure the unit has got to weigh a fair bit. Or could it be that the Chilli spoiler causes drag?

Or indeed as mentioned it could be the vagaries of production, although our Cars are both November models I think.

Anyways whatever it was or indeed is, I'm looking forward to more clutching of straws by Chilli owners. As said above, I ain't fussed.

Red & White Cooper 2 · Mar 6th, 2002, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Anyways whatever it was or indeed is, I'm looking forward to more clutching of straws by Chilli owners. As said above, I ain't fussed.

As it happens, I have a Pepper pack Cooper! The only reason I can see for the Pepper pack being quicker than a Chili pack is the smaller wheels, but yours has the same 16" wheels as the Chili.

Road test results of nominally the same cars often vary.

MrCooper · Mar 7th, 2002, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Anyways whatever it was or indeed is, I'm looking forward to more clutching of straws by Chilli owners. As said above, I ain't fussed.

Ok then - here's another straw, how much fuel was there in the Chilli car? Extra weight

Paul · Mar 7th, 2002, 02:39 PM

It's perfectly likely that two identicle cars will be different in performance. There's a lot in a cars setup (especially in the engine) that can make a difference.

racing green · Mar 7th, 2002, 02:54 PM

ask your mate which pedal he's been pushing. I find if you want to go faster stop pushing the pedal in the middle and try the smaller one on the right it works for me

Mar 3rd, 2002, 03:16 PM	#1
rjwatson MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodham Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 21 Offline	Pepper faster than Chilli? :-) On Saturday we took a couple of BMW MINI's into the Peak District to give them a good blasting. Mine was a Cooper with a Pepper pack and 16" wheels, my mates was a Cooper with a Chilli Pack. It was noticeable that my Cooper was faster than my mates, when we were accelerating flat out he was lagging behind. Both our cars have done 5k miles, we each had a passenger although my passenger was twice as heavy as his!!!! I was just wondering what other people had noticed when they had been racing. From what we have found you are definately better off with the Pepper pack if you want that extra half second when accelerating. It doesn't really bother me either way which is faster(if any is) but I know there are folks about that are obsessed with every 10th of a second! Roger W rjwatson@btinternet.com Ah yes this is the bit where I am supposed to list all sorts of TLA's about my BMW MINI... nah not me, I'm not a sheep, all I shall say is that its Indi blue with some white bits!

Mar 3rd, 2002, 06:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
An_S_4_Me MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wakefield, UK Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 572 Offline	OI!!! I am not twice as heavy as Si's passenger was! My ass is not as nice to look at as hers was either for that matter Roger, as I was your passenger, you were flooring it, and have been in with Si (the other driver) before, Si would have been flat out too, so the Pepper pack car was definately faster throughout the drive than the chilli IMHO. Both had the 5 star 16" wheels Andy DS Cooper S w/white bits, DSC, 1/2 Leather all black trim, CHILI Pack, TLC - ARRIVED 01/07/02 Sold 29th May 2004 to make way for house

Mar 3rd, 2002, 07:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 24,876 Offline	It could be to do with how cafeful the engine was run in. Global Moderator

Mar 4th, 2002, 04:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
smiffy MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Here Local Time: 03:38 AM Posts: 5,778 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by LMB It could be to do with how cafeful the engine was run in. I have to agree with LMB on this one. Anyway one of you could have been driving slower S for Smiffy "Kids in the front seat cause accidents, accidents in the backseat cause kids!"

Mar 4th, 2002, 09:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
An_S_4_Me MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wakefield, UK Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 572 Offline	The driver of the 2nd car had the windows down to hear the engine as it purred. Both drivers were gunning it Andy DS Cooper S w/white bits, DSC, 1/2 Leather all black trim, CHILI Pack, TLC - ARRIVED 01/07/02 Sold 29th May 2004 to make way for house

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Mar 3rd, 2002, 05:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
Red & White Cooper 2 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2001 Local Time: 03:38 AM Posts: 372 Offline	This doesn't really make any sense. The main difference between a Chili Cooper and the Pepper Cooper is the wheels and you say you have the same 16" wheels as the Chili. All I can put it down to is production variations or possibly driver technique (revs at which you change up and speed of gear-change).

Mar 3rd, 2002, 05:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
ELISEBOY MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Essex Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 2,163 Offline	did the chilli weigh any more?? heavier wheels or anything like this?

Mar 4th, 2002, 04:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jazzy Jase Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 03:38 AM Posts: 432 Offline	Did the slower car have the aircon turned on?

Mar 4th, 2002, 10:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kinster BarWeetGarNarWeetNinnyBon Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Location: Location Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 2,709 Offline	One of you drive's like my mum! Hyper Blue/Blue MCSC with Chilli 'No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself' A. Carnegie

Mar 4th, 2002, 11:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
baldie MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Scotland Local Time: 03:38 AM Posts: 113 Offline	I suspect whoever was in front hit the gas 0.5 seconds before the guy behind. Therefore the guy behind cant catch u if you are both flat out in identical cars. You would need to drive each others cars one at a time in identical circumstances to establish any differences in car. Dave PS - why is Muchael Schumacher faster than Rubens Barrichello ? - same car ! First Cooper REJECTED on 29th Jan Solid black with all the white bits. Chili, sunroof, MFSW, ASC&T, heater washers, ISOFIX, Computer, MiniDisc BOOST, CD changer prep - arrived 1st March. www.dave.mcrae.btinternet.co.uk

Mar 5th, 2002, 04:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
monsta MINI2 Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Brighton Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 4,669 Offline	I think it was the tyres. On the old Coopers, the sportspack one (13" wheels with wider tyres) was about half a second slower than the standard Cooper (12" wheels with standard width tyres) There were no other differences the engine was exactly the same the MINI has gone...

Mar 5th, 2002, 02:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
MrCooper MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Lincoln Local Time: 03:38 AM Posts: 357 Offline	If the windows were down this increases drag - don't know by how much though. Quote: It could be to do with how cafeful the engine was run in. What would be the best way - I'm currently staying below 4000rpm and generally being gentle as much as possible (can't always manage it to be honest). Red/white Cooper with Chilli, AC, ASC+T, Computer, Kenwood MP3, Alarm, 17" wheels, BLOODY BIG SMILE. It may say Lincoln but oi be Oirish.

Mar 6th, 2002, 06:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
Red Cooper Master of Disaster Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Auburn Hills, MI Local Time: 08:38 PM Posts: 591 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by baldie I suspect whoever was in front hit the gas 0.5 seconds before the guy behind. Therefore the guy behind cant catch u if you are both flat out in identical cars. You would need to drive each others cars one at a time in identical circumstances to establish any differences in car. Dave PS - why is Muchael Schumacher faster than Rubens Barrichello ? - same car ! Also consider the "clean air" the car in front took advantage of... The second car would have to go through the air "disturbed" by the first car.

Mar 6th, 2002, 04:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
rjwatson MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodham Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 21 Offline	OK so to recap.... The theories posted about the vehicle travelling in 2nd posistion are very good points I should imagine. To an extent I agree as when I was in 2nd posistion the difference didn't seem as great. However I still gained very slighlty on my mate. Maybe it is because I didn't care much about running in, just did a few hundred miles steady away then opened up the taps. Another point could be that I don't have an airconditioner whereas Simon has a Climate Controller. He had it turned off, whilst I'm no anorak, I'm sure the unit has got to weigh a fair bit. Or could it be that the Chilli spoiler causes drag? Or indeed as mentioned it could be the vagaries of production, although our Cars are both November models I think. Anyways whatever it was or indeed is, I'm looking forward to more clutching of straws by Chilli owners. As said above, I ain't fussed. Roger W rjwatson@btinternet.com Ah yes this is the bit where I am supposed to list all sorts of TLA's about my BMW MINI... nah not me, I'm not a sheep, all I shall say is that its Indi blue with some white bits!

Mar 6th, 2002, 05:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Red & White Cooper 2 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2001 Local Time: 03:38 AM Posts: 372 Offline	Quote: Anyways whatever it was or indeed is, I'm looking forward to more clutching of straws by Chilli owners. As said above, I ain't fussed. As it happens, I have a Pepper pack Cooper! The only reason I can see for the Pepper pack being quicker than a Chili pack is the smaller wheels, but yours has the same 16" wheels as the Chili. Road test results of nominally the same cars often vary.

Mar 7th, 2002, 01:43 PM	#16 (permalink)
MrCooper MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Lincoln Local Time: 03:38 AM Posts: 357 Offline	Quote: Anyways whatever it was or indeed is, I'm looking forward to more clutching of straws by Chilli owners. As said above, I ain't fussed. Ok then - here's another straw, how much fuel was there in the Chilli car? Extra weight Red/white Cooper with Chilli, AC, ASC+T, Computer, Kenwood MP3, Alarm, 17" wheels, BLOODY BIG SMILE. It may say Lincoln but oi be Oirish.

Mar 7th, 2002, 02:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 04:38 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	It's perfectly likely that two identicle cars will be different in performance. There's a lot in a cars setup (especially in the engine) that can make a difference.

Mar 7th, 2002, 02:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
racing green MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: uk Local Time: 03:38 AM Posts: 4 Offline	ask your mate which pedal he's been pushing. I find if you want to go faster stop pushing the pedal in the middle and try the smaller one on the right it works for me

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