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Smokingkills · Mar 3rd, 2008, 02:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lucky Dave (original)

Here is some predicted residual info

The Fiat

In afraid any car thats only worth £1588 for a 4 year old top of the range model with 40K on the clock is not good

So im thinking that by then a 51 reg (12 year old) early basic mini ONE with 120K on the clock will still be worth more than the 4 year old Fiat!

I'm sure that figure is very accurate. lol

Even if it was which it clearly isn't who buys a brand new car as an investment?
As Mini owners you should know brand new cars are fashion accessories.

Oh and of course the Micra looks a bit like the 500. That is what Nissan were copying.

Paul · Mar 3rd, 2008, 02:59 PM

The 2002 Nissan Micra is copying the new Fiat 500, unveiled at the 2004 Geneva Motorshow?

Shaun · Mar 3rd, 2008, 03:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Smokingkills (original)

As Mini owners you should know brand new cars are fashion accessories.

With the best residuals every year since they came out

Saw my first 08 Yesterday it was a 500 in White liked the big chrome bumper across the back seen that before somewere but theres just too much body and not enough glass area think thats what I hve been trying to work out when I look at them.

Heres a pic thats been sat in my Gallery for a while shows I am not a Fiat Hater

Smokingkills · Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

The 2002 Nissan Micra is copying the new Fiat 500, unveiled at the 2004 Geneva Motorshow?

No the 2002 Nissan Micra is copying the 500 not the updated version.

Smokingkills · Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Shaun (original)

With the best residuals every year since they came out

But is that why you bought it?
I'm not trying to say one thing or the other. But people need to stop deluding themselves as to why they do things.

Shaun · Mar 3rd, 2008, 05:39 PM

Its one of the reasons why I stuck with Minis and not another brand.
its also why I have been able to have four in the last six years and not lose loads each trade in.

And besides lighten up 3 posts in and your giving the gaffer roll eyes when he has a valid point.
Look if the 500 is selling all over the world in 6 years well know your right wont we?
.... sets reminder on outlook calender goes to put Mini away as its just snowed heavily and I didnt notice.

Paul · Mar 3rd, 2008, 05:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Smokingkills (original)

No the 2002 Nissan Micra is copying the 500 not the updated version.

There's me thinking we were talking about the new Fiat 500, and to my eyes the Micra looks nothing like the original Fiat 500.

I'll take your

and raise you a

Lawrothegreat · Mar 5th, 2008, 07:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Smokingkills (original)

I'm sure that figure is very accurate. lol

Even if it was which it clearly isn't who buys a brand new car as an investment?
As Mini owners you should know brand new cars are fashion accessories.

Oh and of course the Micra looks a bit like the 500. That is what Nissan were copying.

Yes in no way can you argue that a car is an investment, but even so the low depreciation makes the MINI a much more affordable car. If it depreciated like other cars I wouldn't be on my second.

zyo · Mar 5th, 2008, 01:12 PM

I personally like the Fiat, I do like slightly quirky cars and cars that appear to have a personality.
It's not particularly suprising that he car with slighly more BHP and less weight is quicker either. But theres not much in it and it wouldn't really bother me which car won, I would still pick the MINI cos I like them more.

With regards to depreciation MINI is helped considerably by the BMW connection which rightly or wrongly will, for the foreseeable future, keep the residuals higher than the Fiats.
If you want a 500 best buy one now and flog it in the next 6 months while the newness is still there if you don't want to lose too much.

mister.t · Mar 5th, 2008, 02:32 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by zyo (original)

I personally like the Fiat, I do like slightly quirky cars and cars that appear to have a personality.
It's not particularly suprising that he car with slighly more BHP and less weight is quicker either. But theres not much in it and it wouldn't really bother me which car won, I would still pick the MINI cos I like them more.

With regards to depreciation MINI is helped considerably by the BMW connection which rightly or wrongly will, for the foreseeable future, keep the residuals higher than the Fiats.
If you want a 500 best buy one now and flog it in the next 6 months while the newness is still there if you don't want to lose too much.

A majority of 500s for sale at the moment aren't commanding a premium at all.

If you want premium wait for the Abarth - Only going to be sold from specialist Abarth dealers, only going to be around 10 so. I think that will command quite a large premium.

baskers · Mar 5th, 2008, 05:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lawrothegreat (original)

If it depreciated like other cars I wouldn't be on my second.

Ditto - and hence why I'll probably then move onto my third

scottp7 · Mar 6th, 2008, 09:03 PM

I see Fiat are releasing a Fiat 500 estate. Hmmmm how much more do you want to copy with the wooden sides!!

Paul · Mar 7th, 2008, 06:37 AM

Fiat did a 500 'estate' originally, and it sounds like you're referring to the Castagna conversion that's been on show at Geneva.

Mini/MINI didn't/don't do everything first, and not everyone is copying them all the time.

Scrogg · Mar 7th, 2008, 08:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by scottp7 (original)

I see Fiat are releasing a Fiat 500 estate. Hmmmm how much more do you want to copy with the wooden sides!!

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

Mini/MINI didn't/don't do everything first, and not everyone is copying them all the time.

1957 - Fiat Nuova 500 launched
1959 - Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor launched

1960 - Fiat 500 Giardiniera launched
1960 - Austin Seven Countryman and Morris Mini-Minor Traveller launched

Looks to me like Fiat have been copying the Mini all along!

Shaun · Mar 9th, 2008, 06:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original)

There's me thinking we were talking about the new Fiat 500, and to my eyes the Micra looks nothing like the original Fiat 500.

I'll take your

and raise you a

Looks like you scared them off

Paul · Mar 9th, 2008, 06:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Shaun (original)

Looks like you scared them off

Didn't even have to pull out the

MINI-Morgan · Mar 11th, 2008, 12:47 PM

I have to agree it was a ***** contest! Why compare two very different cars?? Atleast get the power to weight right! Should have been a Cooper instead....

Shaun · Mar 11th, 2008, 02:52 PM

Forget the Mini V Fiat for a minute.
5th Gear surpassed there own stupidity last night BMW X5 versus Porsche Cayene GTS two typical track day cars. Dont think the Sky plus came out of x30 last night theres ususally something to watch......... Ah yes the NASCAR item that was it for the whole show the rest was just rubbish..

Lawrothegreat · Mar 11th, 2008, 06:15 PM

Yes I was looking forward to the NASCAR story - hoping to see Tiff having a go around the circuit. Of course then I realised they were constrained by the 5th gear budget.

Shaun · Mar 11th, 2008, 06:55 PM

Pretty sure hes done it for a TV show before though.

Mar 3rd, 2008, 02:59 PM	#62 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 46,123 Online	The 2002 Nissan Micra is copying the new Fiat 500, unveiled at the 2004 Geneva Motorshow? Trained Monkeys - New Fiat 500

Mar 3rd, 2008, 03:37 PM	#63 (permalink)
Shaun Mr Big Stuff Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Oldham Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 3,142 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Smokingkills (original) As Mini owners you should know brand new cars are fashion accessories. With the best residuals every year since they came out Saw my first 08 Yesterday it was a 500 in White liked the big chrome bumper across the back seen that before somewere but theres just too much body and not enough glass area think thats what I hve been trying to work out when I look at them. Heres a pic thats been sat in my Gallery for a while shows I am not a Fiat Hater http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaun-g/ Last edited by Shaun : Mar 3rd, 2008 at 03:42 PM. Reason: Add pic

Mar 3rd, 2008, 05:39 PM	#66 (permalink)
Shaun Mr Big Stuff Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Oldham Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 3,142 Offline	Its one of the reasons why I stuck with Minis and not another brand. its also why I have been able to have four in the last six years and not lose loads each trade in. And besides lighten up 3 posts in and your giving the gaffer roll eyes when he has a valid point. Look if the 500 is selling all over the world in 6 years well know your right wont we? .... sets reminder on outlook calender goes to put Mini away as its just snowed heavily and I didnt notice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaun-g/

Mar 3rd, 2008, 05:43 PM	#67 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 46,123 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Smokingkills (original) No the 2002 Nissan Micra is copying the 500 not the updated version. There's me thinking we were talking about the new Fiat 500, and to my eyes the Micra looks nothing like the original Fiat 500. I'll take your and raise you a Trained Monkeys - New Fiat 500

Mar 5th, 2008, 02:32 PM	#70 (permalink)
mister.t Ambitious, but useless Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nowhere exciting Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 1,977 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by zyo (original) I personally like the Fiat, I do like slightly quirky cars and cars that appear to have a personality. It's not particularly suprising that he car with slighly more BHP and less weight is quicker either. But theres not much in it and it wouldn't really bother me which car won, I would still pick the MINI cos I like them more. With regards to depreciation MINI is helped considerably by the BMW connection which rightly or wrongly will, for the foreseeable future, keep the residuals higher than the Fiats. If you want a 500 best buy one now and flog it in the next 6 months while the newness is still there if you don't want to lose too much. A majority of 500s for sale at the moment aren't commanding a premium at all. If you want premium wait for the Abarth - Only going to be sold from specialist Abarth dealers, only going to be around 10 so. I think that will command quite a large premium. 2007 R56 Cooper Last edited by MINIAC : Mar 5th, 2008 at 07:38 PM. Reason: Deleted stock list

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Mar 3rd, 2008, 02:56 PM	#61
Smokingkills MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 04:36 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Lucky Dave (original) Here is some predicted residual info The Fiat In afraid any car thats only worth £1588 for a 4 year old top of the range model with 40K on the clock is not good So im thinking that by then a 51 reg (12 year old) early basic mini ONE with 120K on the clock will still be worth more than the 4 year old Fiat! I'm sure that figure is very accurate. lol Even if it was which it clearly isn't who buys a brand new car as an investment? As Mini owners you should know brand new cars are fashion accessories. Oh and of course the Micra looks a bit like the 500. That is what Nissan were copying.

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Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:40 PM	#64 (permalink)
Smokingkills MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 04:36 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original) The 2002 Nissan Micra is copying the new Fiat 500, unveiled at the 2004 Geneva Motorshow? No the 2002 Nissan Micra is copying the 500 not the updated version.

Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:41 PM	#65 (permalink)
Smokingkills MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Local Time: 04:36 PM Posts: 4 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Shaun (original) With the best residuals every year since they came out But is that why you bought it? I'm not trying to say one thing or the other. But people need to stop deluding themselves as to why they do things.

Mar 5th, 2008, 07:17 AM	#68 (permalink)
Lawrothegreat Mini Design Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 732 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Smokingkills (original) I'm sure that figure is very accurate. lol Even if it was which it clearly isn't who buys a brand new car as an investment? As Mini owners you should know brand new cars are fashion accessories. Oh and of course the Micra looks a bit like the 500. That is what Nissan were copying. Yes in no way can you argue that a car is an investment, but even so the low depreciation makes the MINI a much more affordable car. If it depreciated like other cars I wouldn't be on my second.

Mar 5th, 2008, 01:12 PM	#69 (permalink)
zyo owt else is just traffic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Edge of Reason Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 1,431 Offline	I personally like the Fiat, I do like slightly quirky cars and cars that appear to have a personality. It's not particularly suprising that he car with slighly more BHP and less weight is quicker either. But theres not much in it and it wouldn't really bother me which car won, I would still pick the MINI cos I like them more. With regards to depreciation MINI is helped considerably by the BMW connection which rightly or wrongly will, for the foreseeable future, keep the residuals higher than the Fiats. If you want a 500 best buy one now and flog it in the next 6 months while the newness is still there if you don't want to lose too much.

Mar 5th, 2008, 05:51 PM	#71 (permalink)
baskers MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2005 Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 882 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Lawrothegreat (original) If it depreciated like other cars I wouldn't be on my second. Ditto - and hence why I'll probably then move onto my third

Mar 6th, 2008, 09:03 PM	#72 (permalink)
scottp7 Kernow Mini Man Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cornwall Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 146 Offline	I see Fiat are releasing a Fiat 500 estate. Hmmmm how much more do you want to copy with the wooden sides!! BMW Mini One - July 2005

Mar 7th, 2008, 06:37 AM	#73 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 46,123 Online	Fiat did a 500 'estate' originally, and it sounds like you're referring to the Castagna conversion that's been on show at Geneva. Mini/MINI didn't/don't do everything first, and not everyone is copying them all the time. Trained Monkeys - New Fiat 500

Mar 7th, 2008, 08:18 PM	#74 (permalink)
Scrogg Not on a Tuesday Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 12,381 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scottp7 (original) I see Fiat are releasing a Fiat 500 estate. Hmmmm how much more do you want to copy with the wooden sides!! Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original) Mini/MINI didn't/don't do everything first, and not everyone is copying them all the time. 1957 - Fiat Nuova 500 launched 1959 - Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor launched 1960 - Fiat 500 Giardiniera launched 1960 - Austin Seven Countryman and Morris Mini-Minor Traveller launched Looks to me like Fiat have been copying the Mini all along! 39

Mar 9th, 2008, 06:40 PM	#75 (permalink)
Shaun Mr Big Stuff Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Oldham Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 3,142 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Paul (original) There's me thinking we were talking about the new Fiat 500, and to my eyes the Micra looks nothing like the original Fiat 500. I'll take your and raise you a Looks like you scared them off http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaun-g/

Mar 9th, 2008, 06:59 PM	#76 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 46,123 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Shaun (original) Looks like you scared them off Didn't even have to pull out the Trained Monkeys - New Fiat 500

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Mar 11th, 2008, 02:52 PM	#78 (permalink)
Shaun Mr Big Stuff Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Oldham Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 3,142 Offline	Forget the Mini V Fiat for a minute. 5th Gear surpassed there own stupidity last night BMW X5 versus Porsche Cayene GTS two typical track day cars. Dont think the Sky plus came out of x30 last night theres ususally something to watch......... Ah yes the NASCAR item that was it for the whole show the rest was just rubbish.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaun-g/

Mar 11th, 2008, 06:15 PM	#79 (permalink)
Lawrothegreat Mini Design Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 732 Offline	Yes I was looking forward to the NASCAR story - hoping to see Tiff having a go around the circuit. Of course then I realised they were constrained by the 5th gear budget.

Mar 11th, 2008, 06:55 PM	#80 (permalink)
Shaun Mr Big Stuff Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Oldham Local Time: 05:36 PM Posts: 3,142 Offline	Pretty sure hes done it for a TV show before though. http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaun-g/

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