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Keith · Jan 16th, 2002, 08:57 PM

Seen the Road & Track test of the MINI? It said...

"Our slalom test revealed that the Mini can thread through the cones with moderate understeer and keep a blistering average speed of 67.6 mph, besting any current BMW, any Ferrari and most Porches!"

I checked their road test history at the back of the magazine and the only two cars that were faster through the slalom were the Porche 911 Turbo at 67.8mph and the Porche 911 GT2 at 68.7mph.

What is more, they were testing a Cooper with 15" wheels! Wait until they get hold of an S with 17" wheels and sport-plus suspension!

Keith

molior · Jan 16th, 2002, 08:59 PM

This car is going to own! I can't wait, m'stoked.

It is MADE for autocross, first thing I'll do is put some Hellas on there.

jlivingood · Jan 16th, 2002, 09:08 PM

I heard that times was clocked with all-season tires - not even the really sticky stuff! Having just driven one, however, I have to agree with the handling prowess of the car. :-)

Jason

RedShift42 · Jan 16th, 2002, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jlivingood
I heard that times was clocked with all-season tires...

Those weren't all-seasons-- Dunlop Winter Sport M+S snow tires.

Even slower!

KarmanS · Jan 16th, 2002, 11:32 PM

that sure is some great news!! I wonder how the S version will fair?

Paul · Jan 17th, 2002, 03:51 AM

If you search for "road and track" or "slalom" someone has posted the times for the runs, the Cooper rules.

Jazzy Jase · Jan 17th, 2002, 03:52 AM

Autocar in the UK reccon the Cooper S will be the first hatchback to break 1g whilst cornering.

Spoolin' · Jan 17th, 2002, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cooper_S
Autocar in the UK reccon the Cooper S will be the first hatchback to break 1g whilst cornering.

1g?
1g?

I can't wait!!!!!!
Where's my stinkin' MINI?!!!

Spoolin' · Jan 17th, 2002, 12:08 PM

Is there a production vehicle available, that will compete? Is there a car available that can push the 1g mark?

Jazzy Jase · Jan 17th, 2002, 01:52 PM

There are cars available that will corner at 1g.

I will see if I still have the issue of Autocar to give you some more details.

Spoolin' · Jan 17th, 2002, 05:34 PM

Can a Civic Type R push 1g?

Hmmm. Let's think....uh,....NO!

Garfield · Jan 17th, 2002, 06:55 PM

I'm pretty sure the Z-06 'Vette pulled 1g on street tires during one of the US magazine tests.

BruceK · Jan 17th, 2002, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Garfield
I'm pretty sure the Z-06 'Vette pulled 1g on street tires during one of the US magazine tests.

Garfield's right! Road & Track tested the Corvette Z06 on their skid pad and acheived 1.00G !!

Anyone else surprised what a even number that is?

Garfield · Jan 17th, 2002, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BruceK

Anyone else surprised what a even number that is?

Well, yes and no. I mean, what a coincidence, but, let's not forget that there are plenty of cars that do .96, .97, etc. so why not .99 or 1.0.

Anyway, the Z-06 does have street tire specifically made for it to pull some lateral g's. Now all we need is MINI to put a Falken Azenis or Kumho MX on as the "Standard" tire. Hey, it's still a "Street" tire

.

Spoolin' · Jan 18th, 2002, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Garfield

Well, yes and no. I mean, what a coincidence, but, let's not forget that there are plenty of cars that do .96, .97, etc. so why not .99 or 1.0.

Anyway, the Z-06 does have street tire specifically made for it to pull some lateral g's. Now all we need is MINI to put a Falken Azenis or Kumho MX on as the "Standard" tire. Hey, it's still a "Street" tire .

I think the BF Goodrich G-Force T/A would also be a great canidate!

Red & White Cooper 2 · Jan 18th, 2002, 01:42 PM

Cooper S - any luck with the Autocar article? I remember looking through an issue which I didn't end up buying. I seem to remember they tested a Mini and were disappointed by the "G" figure.

I doubt performance in the slalom test which started this thread is directly related to the ability to "pull g". A standard Cooper on snow tyres will pull a lot less g than some of the other exotic machinery mentioned.

For what its worth, EVO also do a slalom and "g" test. Their Chili Cooper pulled 0.71g beating the Punto HGT, Lupo GTi and Yaris T-Sport. The 106 GTi pulled 0.74g. In the slalom test the Mini beat the 106 GTi, but was beaten by the Punto.

Jazzy Jase · Jan 18th, 2002, 05:50 PM

Can't find the article. Must have thrown it out.

I do still have that issue of EVO, the 106GTi, Clio 172 and Ibiza Cupra R all manage 0.74g.

I dont believe the Cooper S will be able to do much better than that. Even with the wide 17" wheels. Certainly not enough for 1 lateral g.

Garfield · Jan 18th, 2002, 08:36 PM

In Road and Track, the Cooper pulled .79g's on 175/65R15 M+S Tires. I can guarantee it will pull in the .90's with 205 stickies.
Not to mention when you put a Falken or Kumho on it. For those that don't know, the Falken Azenis and Kumho MX are both "Street" tires that would probably last about 7000 miles, if you know what I mean. Both tires are pretty much manufactured to run in the "Street Tire" classes for the SCCA here. They're really SOFT.

Personally, if they fit, I'll be running 225 R Compounds (street legal race tires) and can assure you it will pull well over 1.0g's. My stock Miata will R Compounds pulled more than 1.14 constant g's.

Keith · Jan 19th, 2002, 12:00 PM

Having to find performance tires that are also run-flats will limit the choice - unless you don't care about a stray nail leaving you stranded!
Keith

Garfield · Jan 19th, 2002, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Keith
Having to find performance tires that are also run-flats will limit the choice - unless you don't care about a stray nail leaving you stranded!
Keith

I won't be choosing tires based on run-flats, and will be carrying a can of "Fix-a-flat" with me. To me it will be worth having an ultra high performance tire, but my car won't be an everyday driver either.

Jan 16th, 2002, 08:57 PM	#1
Keith MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SW Florida Local Time: 08:50 AM Posts: 687 Offline	Fast slalom!! Seen the Road & Track test of the MINI? It said... "Our slalom test revealed that the Mini can thread through the cones with moderate understeer and keep a blistering average speed of 67.6 mph, besting any current BMW, any Ferrari and most Porches!" I checked their road test history at the back of the magazine and the only two cars that were faster through the slalom were the Porche 911 Turbo at 67.8mph and the Porche 911 GT2 at 68.7mph. What is more, they were testing a Cooper with 15" wheels! Wait until they get hold of an S with 17" wheels and sport-plus suspension! Keith

Jan 16th, 2002, 08:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
molior MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Carlos, CA Local Time: 12:50 AM Posts: 6 Offline	good god This car is going to own! I can't wait, m'stoked. It is MADE for autocross, first thing I'll do is put some Hellas on there.

Jan 16th, 2002, 09:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
jlivingood MINI2 Master Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA, US Local Time: 08:50 AM Posts: 808 Offline	I heard that times was clocked with all-season tires - not even the really sticky stuff! Having just driven one, however, I have to agree with the handling prowess of the car. :-) Jason Jason Livingood \| personal web site 2002 DS/W MINI Cooper S Thank you for signing my rear fog light petition. Now we have rear fogs! :-)

Jan 16th, 2002, 09:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
RedShift42 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Boston, MA Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 52 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by jlivingood I heard that times was clocked with all-season tires... Those weren't all-seasons-- Dunlop Winter Sport M+S snow tires. Even slower! -Eric. Current Bad Ride: VW Passat VR6 and no motorcycle. <sigh>

Jan 17th, 2002, 10:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
Spoolin' MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Doylestown, Pennsylvania Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 261 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Cooper_S Autocar in the UK reccon the Cooper S will be the first hatchback to break 1g whilst cornering. 1g? 1g? I can't wait!!!!!! Where's my stinkin' MINI?!!! Waiting, officially, since July 12, 2001. C'mon July 2002! Indi Blue Cooper S, White roof, Bonnet stripes, Lapis blue leather, Premium, Sport, and Winter packages. Is December here yet?

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Jan 16th, 2002, 11:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
KarmanS PerformanceCar Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: HKG Local Time: 04:50 PM Posts: 1,365 Offline	that sure is some great news!! I wonder how the S version will fair?

Jan 17th, 2002, 03:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 09:50 AM Posts: 40,435 Offline	If you search for "road and track" or "slalom" someone has posted the times for the runs, the Cooper rules.

Jan 17th, 2002, 03:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jazzy Jase Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 08:50 AM Posts: 432 Offline	Autocar in the UK reccon the Cooper S will be the first hatchback to break 1g whilst cornering.

Jan 17th, 2002, 12:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Spoolin' MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Doylestown, Pennsylvania Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 261 Offline	Is there a production vehicle available, that will compete? Is there a car available that can push the 1g mark? Waiting, officially, since July 12, 2001. C'mon July 2002! Indi Blue Cooper S, White roof, Bonnet stripes, Lapis blue leather, Premium, Sport, and Winter packages. Is December here yet?

Jan 17th, 2002, 01:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jazzy Jase Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 08:50 AM Posts: 432 Offline	There are cars available that will corner at 1g. I will see if I still have the issue of Autocar to give you some more details.

Jan 17th, 2002, 05:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
Spoolin' MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Doylestown, Pennsylvania Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 261 Offline	Can a Civic Type R push 1g? Hmmm. Let's think....uh,....NO! Waiting, officially, since July 12, 2001. C'mon July 2002! Indi Blue Cooper S, White roof, Bonnet stripes, Lapis blue leather, Premium, Sport, and Winter packages. Is December here yet?

Jan 17th, 2002, 06:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
Garfield MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mt. Airy, MD USA Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 791 Offline	I'm pretty sure the Z-06 'Vette pulled 1g on street tires during one of the US magazine tests. - 2005 G Stock '05 MINI or it's back to a Miata in C Stock - 2004 G Stock 2nd place Pro Solo, 9th Place Solo II - 2003 STX 5th place Pro Solo, 6th Place Solo II - 2002 H Stock Pro Solo National Champion

Jan 17th, 2002, 08:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
BruceK Moderator & Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Local Time: 02:50 AM Posts: 3,759 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Garfield I'm pretty sure the Z-06 'Vette pulled 1g on street tires during one of the US magazine tests. Garfield's right! Road & Track tested the Corvette Z06 on their skid pad and acheived 1.00G !! Anyone else surprised what a even number that is? + 2002 MINI Cooper S - Dark Silver / White roof, Sport, Premium, Lapis blue leather + 1965 Mini Traveller - Tartan Red / White roof, 1275, Cooper S discs, fully restored/renewed

Jan 17th, 2002, 10:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
Garfield MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mt. Airy, MD USA Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 791 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by BruceK Anyone else surprised what a even number that is? Well, yes and no. I mean, what a coincidence, but, let's not forget that there are plenty of cars that do .96, .97, etc. so why not .99 or 1.0. Anyway, the Z-06 does have street tire specifically made for it to pull some lateral g's. Now all we need is MINI to put a Falken Azenis or Kumho MX on as the "Standard" tire. Hey, it's still a "Street" tire . - 2005 G Stock '05 MINI or it's back to a Miata in C Stock - 2004 G Stock 2nd place Pro Solo, 9th Place Solo II - 2003 STX 5th place Pro Solo, 6th Place Solo II - 2002 H Stock Pro Solo National Champion

Jan 18th, 2002, 01:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
Spoolin' MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Doylestown, Pennsylvania Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 261 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Garfield Well, yes and no. I mean, what a coincidence, but, let's not forget that there are plenty of cars that do .96, .97, etc. so why not .99 or 1.0. Anyway, the Z-06 does have street tire specifically made for it to pull some lateral g's. Now all we need is MINI to put a Falken Azenis or Kumho MX on as the "Standard" tire. Hey, it's still a "Street" tire . I think the BF Goodrich G-Force T/A would also be a great canidate! Waiting, officially, since July 12, 2001. C'mon July 2002! Indi Blue Cooper S, White roof, Bonnet stripes, Lapis blue leather, Premium, Sport, and Winter packages. Is December here yet?

Jan 18th, 2002, 01:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
Red & White Cooper 2 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2001 Local Time: 08:50 AM Posts: 372 Offline	Cooper S - any luck with the Autocar article? I remember looking through an issue which I didn't end up buying. I seem to remember they tested a Mini and were disappointed by the "G" figure. I doubt performance in the slalom test which started this thread is directly related to the ability to "pull g". A standard Cooper on snow tyres will pull a lot less g than some of the other exotic machinery mentioned. For what its worth, EVO also do a slalom and "g" test. Their Chili Cooper pulled 0.71g beating the Punto HGT, Lupo GTi and Yaris T-Sport. The 106 GTi pulled 0.74g. In the slalom test the Mini beat the 106 GTi, but was beaten by the Punto.

Jan 18th, 2002, 05:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jazzy Jase Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Berkshire, UK Local Time: 08:50 AM Posts: 432 Offline	Can't find the article. Must have thrown it out. I do still have that issue of EVO, the 106GTi, Clio 172 and Ibiza Cupra R all manage 0.74g. I dont believe the Cooper S will be able to do much better than that. Even with the wide 17" wheels. Certainly not enough for 1 lateral g.

Jan 18th, 2002, 08:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
Garfield MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mt. Airy, MD USA Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 791 Offline	In Road and Track, the Cooper pulled .79g's on 175/65R15 M+S Tires. I can guarantee it will pull in the .90's with 205 stickies. Not to mention when you put a Falken or Kumho on it. For those that don't know, the Falken Azenis and Kumho MX are both "Street" tires that would probably last about 7000 miles, if you know what I mean. Both tires are pretty much manufactured to run in the "Street Tire" classes for the SCCA here. They're really SOFT. Personally, if they fit, I'll be running 225 R Compounds (street legal race tires) and can assure you it will pull well over 1.0g's. My stock Miata will R Compounds pulled more than 1.14 constant g's. - 2005 G Stock '05 MINI or it's back to a Miata in C Stock - 2004 G Stock 2nd place Pro Solo, 9th Place Solo II - 2003 STX 5th place Pro Solo, 6th Place Solo II - 2002 H Stock Pro Solo National Champion

Jan 19th, 2002, 12:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
Keith MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SW Florida Local Time: 08:50 AM Posts: 687 Offline	Having to find performance tires that are also run-flats will limit the choice - unless you don't care about a stray nail leaving you stranded! Keith

Jan 19th, 2002, 12:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
Garfield MINI2 Master Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mt. Airy, MD USA Local Time: 03:50 AM Posts: 791 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Keith Having to find performance tires that are also run-flats will limit the choice - unless you don't care about a stray nail leaving you stranded! Keith I won't be choosing tires based on run-flats, and will be carrying a can of "Fix-a-flat" with me. To me it will be worth having an ultra high performance tire, but my car won't be an everyday driver either. - 2005 G Stock '05 MINI or it's back to a Miata in C Stock - 2004 G Stock 2nd place Pro Solo, 9th Place Solo II - 2003 STX 5th place Pro Solo, 6th Place Solo II - 2002 H Stock Pro Solo National Champion

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