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alski · Oct 24th, 2007, 09:24 AM

whats happening to all the old mini challenge cars? now we have R56 next season?
will they allow the old cars to beat the new one

Ant FR · Oct 24th, 2007, 10:02 AM

i heard they are doing the same as the Seat Cupra Championship and allowing 2 classes, old shape on the same grid as the new shape. This due to some competitors wanting to continue competing but not having funds to purchase the 2008 car. That would make sense and the 2007 season for the seatcupra championship has been very succesfull running that way even thought the old cars are 240bhp and the newer leons have 300 bhp and sequential boxes.

That would be the ideal situation and what i think they should do.

KostaLot · Oct 24th, 2007, 11:53 AM

The UK Mini Challenge will stay exactly how it is now for next year.

The new cars will be a separate championship on its own. The R56 championship has turned down a place on the TOCA package in favour of picking and choosing its own meetings to be at. For example a couple of SRO meetings, and maybe as a support on the WTCC round at Brands.

KATENKEITH · Oct 24th, 2007, 08:27 PM

Thats what I heard too. I think there`s serious doubt about enough R56 cars being available for the start of the new season in 2008 . .

KostaLot · Oct 24th, 2007, 08:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KATENKEITH (original)

Thats what I heard too. I think there`s serious doubt about enough R56 cars being available for the start of the new season in 2008 . .

Yeah. How many Cooper S' did they have on the grid when they first introduced them a few years ago? 6 or 7?

My gut feeling is the championship could be a right flop in 2008.

they have made a mistake by not placing it on a package, whether it be the SRO, Toca, or Great & British one. TOCA would have been good and attracted buyers to the cars because it would be high profile and many of the top tintop teams will already be there running Clios, Seats etc. To pick and choose their own meetings to race at isn't the way forward.

mikbmini · Nov 5th, 2007, 07:14 PM

I spoke to a mechanic on one of the old MINI challenge teams and they told me that the new car is a packaged sealed vehicle, meaning that it cannot be tweaked on or worked on by the teams, and instead has to be sent back to BMW for work to be carried out. Not sure how accurate this is but it seems a little over the top to me, and I'm sure it will take a lot of the competitiveness out of it. Probably just another way of BMW keeping the series their own and reducing the chance of 3rd party products being used. If this is the case then I could see that a lot of people would want to stick with the old cars for now.

I might be talking rubbish though, so please correct me anyone?

KATENKEITH · Nov 5th, 2007, 07:33 PM

I cant see how that could work. What if the car needs attention at the race track in between races? Send it back to BMW????

mikbmini · Nov 5th, 2007, 11:24 PM

Thats exactly what I thought when I was told but, hey I'm only repeating. They said its to keep the racing closer so that no-one has an advantage due to their machinary. All I can think is that they got confused and meant it came as some sort or prepared sealed packaged so it couldn't be modified in any way, but could still be worked on. Dunno, but the person that told me definately said that they had to go back to BMW for repairs. Maybe they were misinformed?

KostaLot · Nov 6th, 2007, 05:26 PM

Go back to BMW for repairs? ££ kerching ££

Keith, unless they think it will be like the Seat Cupra championship when it was first on the scene. Highly unlikely though.

KATENKEITH · Nov 17th, 2007, 02:43 PM

Details of the `08 MINI Challenge are out now.

Dates(provisional)

April 26/27th Snetterton Rounds 1, 2 & 3

May 10/11th Pembrey Rounds 4 & 5

June 14/15th Croft Rounds 6 & 7

July 19/20th Castle Combe Rounds 8 & 9

August 2nd/3rd Donnington Park Rounds 10, 11 & 12

August 23rd/24th Brands Hatch Rounds 13 & 14

September 27/28th Rockingham Rounds 15 & 16

Club and S cars have separate races at Pembrey only.

Shaun · Nov 18th, 2007, 10:05 AM

Welcome back Castle Combe but sadly no Oulton Park .

Buffster Bird · Nov 18th, 2007, 07:36 PM

I've not been to Castle Combe so I might try to get to that one. I see that Rockingham is back again. I went to the last MINI Challenge meeting there. Massive grandstand but hardly any spectators.

neil2860 · Dec 18th, 2007, 11:54 PM

No Oulton ! Thats my local circuit as well as one of my favourites, the MINIS go so well round there as well.

Shaun · Dec 19th, 2007, 12:16 PM

Can I point some of you in this direction.

http://www.mini2.com/forum/mini-moto...ng-2008-a.html

KostaLot · Dec 23rd, 2007, 10:25 AM

No Thruxton, no Spa, no Oulton Park.... Poor

Racer · Jan 2nd, 2008, 07:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KATENKEITH (original)

Details of the `08 MINI Challenge are out now.

Club and S cars have separate races at Pembrey only.

Always said I would come back if they put them on different grids - Might end up eating my words or shaking the dust off my race suit

G

KATENKEITH · Jan 4th, 2008, 05:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Racer (original)

Always said I would come back if they put them on different grids - Might end up eating my words or shaking the dust off my race suit

G

Hi Glen,

I thought you sold your car and it was comprehensively redesigned at Donni. in October `06.
Would be good to see you back though.

There`s quite a few Club spec cars for sale now, as they`ve probably only got 1 seasons racing left in the old spec MIN Challenge.

Keith

TimCrighton · Jan 10th, 2008, 04:41 PM

I'm planning to do the new series. The calendar is far preferable to being only on the TOCA or SRO tours - its supporting WTCC, DTM, BTCC, A1GP, The Nurburgring 24hr (thats the FULL nordschleife!) and BritCar 24hr... It guarantees big crowds - the 'ring 24hr race got 210,000 in '07!!!!! The prize is a test with BMW in the World Touring Car...

We'll still be runing cars in the MINI Challenge as well though and have some arrive and drive seats available for anyone that is interested?

Oct 24th, 2007, 09:24 AM	#1
alski 100 bhp over stock, My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 891 Offline	out with the old challenge cars? whats happening to all the old mini challenge cars? now we have R56 next season? will they allow the old cars to beat the new one carefree

Oct 24th, 2007, 11:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
KostaLot Team VaVaVoom 2008 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Morecambe Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 979 Offline	The UK Mini Challenge will stay exactly how it is now for next year. The new cars will be a separate championship on its own. The R56 championship has turned down a place on the TOCA package in favour of picking and choosing its own meetings to be at. For example a couple of SRO meetings, and maybe as a support on the WTCC round at Brands. 330 BHP + 0-60 in 4.3 Seconds = 2008 Elf Renaultsport Clio Cup Team - I'm looking for sponsors, pm me if interested

Oct 24th, 2007, 08:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
KostaLot Team VaVaVoom 2008 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Morecambe Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 979 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KATENKEITH (original) Thats what I heard too. I think there`s serious doubt about enough R56 cars being available for the start of the new season in 2008 . . Yeah. How many Cooper S' did they have on the grid when they first introduced them a few years ago? 6 or 7? My gut feeling is the championship could be a right flop in 2008. they have made a mistake by not placing it on a package, whether it be the SRO, Toca, or Great & British one. TOCA would have been good and attracted buyers to the cars because it would be high profile and many of the top tintop teams will already be there running Clios, Seats etc. To pick and choose their own meetings to race at isn't the way forward. 330 BHP + 0-60 in 4.3 Seconds = 2008 Elf Renaultsport Clio Cup Team - I'm looking for sponsors, pm me if interested

Nov 6th, 2007, 05:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
KostaLot Team VaVaVoom 2008 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Morecambe Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 979 Offline	Go back to BMW for repairs? ££ kerching ££ Keith, unless they think it will be like the Seat Cupra championship when it was first on the scene. Highly unlikely though. 330 BHP + 0-60 in 4.3 Seconds = 2008 Elf Renaultsport Clio Cup Team - I'm looking for sponsors, pm me if interested

Nov 18th, 2007, 10:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
Shaun Mr Big Stuff Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Oldham Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 3,115 Online	Welcome back Castle Combe but sadly no Oulton Park . http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaun-g/

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Oct 24th, 2007, 10:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 1,792 Online	i heard they are doing the same as the Seat Cupra Championship and allowing 2 classes, old shape on the same grid as the new shape. This due to some competitors wanting to continue competing but not having funds to purchase the 2008 car. That would make sense and the 2007 season for the seatcupra championship has been very succesfull running that way even thought the old cars are 240bhp and the newer leons have 300 bhp and sequential boxes. That would be the ideal situation and what i think they should do.

Oct 24th, 2007, 08:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
KATENKEITH MINI Challenge addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Sussex-UK Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 449 Offline	Thats what I heard too. I think there`s serious doubt about enough R56 cars being available for the start of the new season in 2008 . .

Nov 5th, 2007, 07:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
mikbmini No MINI no more :( My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tunbridge Wells Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 245 Offline	I spoke to a mechanic on one of the old MINI challenge teams and they told me that the new car is a packaged sealed vehicle, meaning that it cannot be tweaked on or worked on by the teams, and instead has to be sent back to BMW for work to be carried out. Not sure how accurate this is but it seems a little over the top to me, and I'm sure it will take a lot of the competitiveness out of it. Probably just another way of BMW keeping the series their own and reducing the chance of 3rd party products being used. If this is the case then I could see that a lot of people would want to stick with the old cars for now. I might be talking rubbish though, so please correct me anyone?

Nov 5th, 2007, 07:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
KATENKEITH MINI Challenge addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Sussex-UK Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 449 Offline	I cant see how that could work. What if the car needs attention at the race track in between races? Send it back to BMW????

Nov 5th, 2007, 11:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
mikbmini No MINI no more :( My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tunbridge Wells Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 245 Offline	Thats exactly what I thought when I was told but, hey I'm only repeating. They said its to keep the racing closer so that no-one has an advantage due to their machinary. All I can think is that they got confused and meant it came as some sort or prepared sealed packaged so it couldn't be modified in any way, but could still be worked on. Dunno, but the person that told me definately said that they had to go back to BMW for repairs. Maybe they were misinformed?

Nov 17th, 2007, 02:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
KATENKEITH MINI Challenge addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Sussex-UK Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 449 Offline	Details of the `08 MINI Challenge are out now. Dates(provisional) April 26/27th Snetterton Rounds 1, 2 & 3 May 10/11th Pembrey Rounds 4 & 5 June 14/15th Croft Rounds 6 & 7 July 19/20th Castle Combe Rounds 8 & 9 August 2nd/3rd Donnington Park Rounds 10, 11 & 12 August 23rd/24th Brands Hatch Rounds 13 & 14 September 27/28th Rockingham Rounds 15 & 16 Club and S cars have separate races at Pembrey only.

Nov 18th, 2007, 07:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Buffster Bird Justified and Ancient Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bury St Edmunds Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 2,977 Offline	I've not been to Castle Combe so I might try to get to that one. I see that Rockingham is back again. I went to the last MINI Challenge meeting there. Massive grandstand but hardly any spectators.

Dec 18th, 2007, 11:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
neil2860 MINI2 Newbie My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Preston Lancashire Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 45 Offline	No Oulton ! Thats my local circuit as well as one of my favourites, the MINIS go so well round there as well.

Dec 19th, 2007, 12:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
Shaun Mr Big Stuff Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Oldham Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 3,115 Online	Can I point some of you in this direction. http://www.mini2.com/forum/mini-moto...ng-2008-a.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaun-g/

Dec 23rd, 2007, 10:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
KostaLot Team VaVaVoom 2008 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Morecambe Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 979 Offline	No Thruxton, no Spa, no Oulton Park.... Poor 330 BHP + 0-60 in 4.3 Seconds = 2008 Elf Renaultsport Clio Cup Team - I'm looking for sponsors, pm me if interested

Jan 2nd, 2008, 07:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
Racer Sponsor,Moderator & Racer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kent Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 1,373 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by KATENKEITH (original) Details of the `08 MINI Challenge are out now. Club and S cars have separate races at Pembrey only. Always said I would come back if they put them on different grids - Might end up eating my words or shaking the dust off my race suit G JCW Club Sport Kawasaki Green / White Unofficial John Cooper Challenge Site

Jan 4th, 2008, 05:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
KATENKEITH MINI Challenge addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Sussex-UK Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 449 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Racer (original) Always said I would come back if they put them on different grids - Might end up eating my words or shaking the dust off my race suit G Hi Glen, I thought you sold your car and it was comprehensively redesigned at Donni. in October `06. Would be good to see you back though. There`s quite a few Club spec cars for sale now, as they`ve probably only got 1 seasons racing left in the old spec MIN Challenge. Keith

Jan 10th, 2008, 04:41 PM	#18 (permalink)
TimCrighton Beer Society President... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Alton, Hants Local Time: 09:45 AM Posts: 513 Offline	I'm planning to do the new series. The calendar is far preferable to being only on the TOCA or SRO tours - its supporting WTCC, DTM, BTCC, A1GP, The Nurburgring 24hr (thats the FULL nordschleife!) and BritCar 24hr... It guarantees big crowds - the 'ring 24hr race got 210,000 in '07!!!!! The prize is a test with BMW in the World Touring Car... We'll still be runing cars in the MINI Challenge as well though and have some arrive and drive seats available for anyone that is interested? www.timcrighton.com Track Day Instruction - New MINI specialist!

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