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n.horner · Sep 25th, 2002, 03:01 AM

does any one know anything about the new mini diesal ?

Mini_me · Sep 25th, 2002, 04:04 AM

Do a search fo diesel. You should find lots of info.

From what I remeber it is a 1.4 engine sourced from toyota (the one they have in the Yaris) ....can't remeber when it will become available but a quick search should reveal all.

daver · Sep 25th, 2002, 10:14 AM

engine is build by Toyota under supervision of BMW, but due to some performance-problems isn't expected until autumn 2003-spring 2004 (this is confirmed by my dealer, who is generally very up to date on this stuff).

paddlefoot · Sep 25th, 2002, 10:32 AM

I know a man who works at the Cowley factory and he told me last weekend that he's taking a diesel for a drive next weekend. They are in the UK already and are being tested.
He also gave me some tickets to MINI's "family fun day" at the factory this weekend - but that's another story...

RedMini · Sep 26th, 2002, 04:19 PM

Someone told me had seen a MINI that looked like an MCS, but had a strange exhaust, so he followed it - and boxed it in when it parked at the local MINI dealer (London area).

It turned out it was a left-hand drive diesel on test - the driver had to do a pickup of parts at the dealership to take back to the factory. The story was they used an MCS shell as the battery is in the boot on the diesel as well due to lack of space under the bonnet.

daver · Sep 29th, 2002, 07:42 AM

Hmm, it seems the diesel will be introduced earlier then I mentioned before. The sooner the better of course.

A MINI Diesel would be a smash-hit here in Belgium since the majority of cars are diesel/Lease (almost all diesel).

here2help · Oct 14th, 2002, 04:53 PM

The new mini diesel will be launched in summer 2003 and will only be available as a MINI ONE.

MiNi · Oct 20th, 2002, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by here2help
The new mini diesel will be launched in summer 2003 and will only be available as a MINI ONE.

MINI one? hum.. I would love a new MINI diesel cooper.. Here in the U.S but I don't think that it's going to make it over here?

daver · Oct 20th, 2002, 01:06 PM

only available as a One...hmm probably to do with the 75hp engine (compared to a 90hp 'standard' One).
A 75HP Cooper would be bad for the Cooper image...anybody in for a John Cooper Diesel Works kit?

MiNi · Oct 20th, 2002, 01:09 PM

Isn't MINI one, and MINI cooper the same car? Have you heard anything about the MINI coming to the U.S? is the MINI still going to have the toyota diesel engine?

Paul · Oct 20th, 2002, 01:48 PM

Check out the news section and read back a few pages, there's reports on the diesel in there.

robby · Oct 21st, 2002, 01:43 PM

I just wonder how much power and torque, BMW will be able to get out of the 1.4 Toyota diesel to power the much heavier MINI and give it decent performance. If it is going to sell at a premium over the ONE (as most manufacturers seem to charge more for the DT versions) it has got to go at least as quickly as a ONE or a) private buyers aren't going to bother as the premium in price will not be recouped on MPG if the mileage isn't high and b) company car buyers will not put up with slow performance. To get the same performance as a ONE and the industry performance averages in the £11000 sector (Peugeot 206 DTurbo, Rover 25 Dturbo both 115mph approx and 0-60mph in 9.9-11 secs approx, it will surely need at least 90bhp and 155Ib torque to compete bearing mind that it weighs so much.
Far better in my opinion would be a really powerful Turbo Diesel as in the Golf PD130, Seat Ibiza 130 Sport (have you seen the performance figures in Autocar for the Seat Ibiza turbo diesel sport? something like 30-70mph in the sevens secs)and all for insurance group 7. To get the company car market and MINI enthusiasts, BMW need to put a good powerful Dturbo engine in it. I would definately consider it.

MiNi · Oct 21st, 2002, 05:20 PM

I think it's something like 75hp and 125lbs/torque

minimug · Oct 31st, 2002, 02:53 PM

My dealer in Southampton, believes the mini diesel will be released in 2004 and has no further details, but will take a refundable deposit if you want to order one....

I agree that a turbo would help....

top gear mag (dec 2002 issue) believes diesel to be ready may 2003, with Yaris 1.4 lump, and combined mpg of up to 60 ! ..makes my cooper look very greedy...

Paul · Oct 31st, 2002, 03:01 PM

As I stated earlier, look at the MINI2 news section from back in May, when BMW announced the MINI diesel!

http://www.mini2.com/news/news.php?id=123

Direct link above!

minimug · Oct 31st, 2002, 03:14 PM

cheers mate, basicaly watch this space

Paul · Oct 31st, 2002, 05:40 PM

Yes!

This space being MINI2!

Sep 25th, 2002, 03:01 AM	#1
n.horner MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 08:53 AM Posts: 3 Offline	mini diesal does any one know anything about the new mini diesal ?

Sep 25th, 2002, 10:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
daver MINI2 Senior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bree,BELGIUM Local Time: 10:53 AM Posts: 361 Offline	engine is build by Toyota under supervision of BMW, but due to some performance-problems isn't expected until autumn 2003-spring 2004 (this is confirmed by my dealer, who is generally very up to date on this stuff). Daver ======================================= ---There can be only ONE--- ---Trust no ONE---

Sep 25th, 2002, 10:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
paddlefoot MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: High Wycombe Local Time: 09:53 AM Posts: 219 Offline	I know a man who works at the Cowley factory and he told me last weekend that he's taking a diesel for a drive next weekend. They are in the UK already and are being tested. He also gave me some tickets to MINI's "family fun day" at the factory this weekend - but that's another story... Rich Finding blood in your stools is nature's way of saying "don't drink so much blood".

Sep 29th, 2002, 07:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
daver MINI2 Senior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bree,BELGIUM Local Time: 10:53 AM Posts: 361 Offline	Hmm, it seems the diesel will be introduced earlier then I mentioned before. The sooner the better of course. A MINI Diesel would be a smash-hit here in Belgium since the majority of cars are diesel/Lease (almost all diesel). Daver ======================================= ---There can be only ONE--- ---Trust no ONE---

Oct 14th, 2002, 04:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
here2help MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 08:53 AM Posts: 540 Offline	DIESEL The new mini diesel will be launched in summer 2003 and will only be available as a MINI ONE.

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Sep 25th, 2002, 04:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mini_me MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Böblingen Stuttgart Local Time: 10:53 AM Posts: 333 Offline	Do a search fo diesel. You should find lots of info. From what I remeber it is a 1.4 engine sourced from toyota (the one they have in the Yaris) ....can't remeber when it will become available but a quick search should reveal all.

Sep 26th, 2002, 04:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
RedMini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Surrey, England Local Time: 09:53 AM Posts: 679 Offline	Someone told me had seen a MINI that looked like an MCS, but had a strange exhaust, so he followed it - and boxed it in when it parked at the local MINI dealer (London area). It turned out it was a left-hand drive diesel on test - the driver had to do a pickup of parts at the dealership to take back to the factory. The story was they used an MCS shell as the battery is in the boot on the diesel as well due to lack of space under the bonnet.

Oct 20th, 2002, 01:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
MiNi MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA,FL Local Time: 03:53 AM Posts: 93 Offline	Re: DIESEL Quote: Originally posted by here2help The new mini diesel will be launched in summer 2003 and will only be available as a MINI ONE. MINI one? hum.. I would love a new MINI diesel cooper.. Here in the U.S but I don't think that it's going to make it over here?

Oct 20th, 2002, 01:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
daver MINI2 Senior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bree,BELGIUM Local Time: 10:53 AM Posts: 361 Offline	only available as a One...hmm probably to do with the 75hp engine (compared to a 90hp 'standard' One). A 75HP Cooper would be bad for the Cooper image...anybody in for a John Cooper Diesel Works kit? Daver ======================================= ---There can be only ONE--- ---Trust no ONE---

Oct 20th, 2002, 01:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
MiNi MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA,FL Local Time: 03:53 AM Posts: 93 Offline	Isn't MINI one, and MINI cooper the same car? Have you heard anything about the MINI coming to the U.S? is the MINI still going to have the toyota diesel engine?

Oct 20th, 2002, 01:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 09:53 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Check out the news section and read back a few pages, there's reports on the diesel in there.

Oct 21st, 2002, 01:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
robby MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: coventry Local Time: 08:53 AM Posts: 33 Offline	I just wonder how much power and torque, BMW will be able to get out of the 1.4 Toyota diesel to power the much heavier MINI and give it decent performance. If it is going to sell at a premium over the ONE (as most manufacturers seem to charge more for the DT versions) it has got to go at least as quickly as a ONE or a) private buyers aren't going to bother as the premium in price will not be recouped on MPG if the mileage isn't high and b) company car buyers will not put up with slow performance. To get the same performance as a ONE and the industry performance averages in the £11000 sector (Peugeot 206 DTurbo, Rover 25 Dturbo both 115mph approx and 0-60mph in 9.9-11 secs approx, it will surely need at least 90bhp and 155Ib torque to compete bearing mind that it weighs so much. Far better in my opinion would be a really powerful Turbo Diesel as in the Golf PD130, Seat Ibiza 130 Sport (have you seen the performance figures in Autocar for the Seat Ibiza turbo diesel sport? something like 30-70mph in the sevens secs)and all for insurance group 7. To get the company car market and MINI enthusiasts, BMW need to put a good powerful Dturbo engine in it. I would definately consider it.

Oct 21st, 2002, 05:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
MiNi MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA,FL Local Time: 03:53 AM Posts: 93 Offline	I think it's something like 75hp and 125lbs/torque

Oct 31st, 2002, 02:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
minimug MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Southampton Local Time: 08:53 AM Posts: 54 Offline	Diesel Mini My dealer in Southampton, believes the mini diesel will be released in 2004 and has no further details, but will take a refundable deposit if you want to order one.... I agree that a turbo would help.... top gear mag (dec 2002 issue) believes diesel to be ready may 2003, with Yaris 1.4 lump, and combined mpg of up to 60 ! ..makes my cooper look very greedy... jimbo

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Oct 31st, 2002, 03:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 09:53 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	As I stated earlier, look at the MINI2 news section from back in May, when BMW announced the MINI diesel! http://www.mini2.com/news/news.php?id=123 Direct link above!

Oct 31st, 2002, 03:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
minimug MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Southampton Local Time: 08:53 AM Posts: 54 Offline	mini diesel cheers mate, basicaly watch this space jimbo

Oct 31st, 2002, 05:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 09:53 AM Posts: 40,555 Offline	Yes! This space being MINI2!

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