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Pobsey · Oct 13th, 2003, 08:21 PM

Heres an idol thought (can you tell I'm supposed to be doing work right now!!) what would have happened if BMW hadn't choosen to use the Yaris engine in the one D, but instead used the VW 1.9 diesel family - wouldn't fit I know but as I said earlier just a bored thought. You would just have a one D, but also a Cooper D (TDI 130) and heavens above and Cooper SD (TDI 150) a mini with 320Nm of torque!!! Road testers recon that the lardy150bhp golf can keep up with the 200bhp breed of hot hatches, so a mini (300kg lighter)and with its world renowned handling would surely be more than a match..

ALD0 · Oct 13th, 2003, 08:49 PM

If they had I probably would have bought one, they have released a more powerful Yaris diesel engine now, wonder if they will do the same for MINI?

Pobsey · Oct 14th, 2003, 08:11 PM

I recon may more people would buy a more powerful diesel with it being so frugal and yet still very drivable

StevePSB · Oct 14th, 2003, 09:37 PM

I'd definitely buy one. I really, really wish they'd make a decent diesel...

I'd go for a Cooper in relatively quick Cooper or better performance guise. In fact I'd be first in the queue.

*Dreams...*

Harpo · Oct 14th, 2003, 10:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by StevePSB

...I really, really wish they'd make a decent diesel...

But they do make a decent diesel - it's great in 95% of everyday driving conditions, and it's not bad on Mini runs either.

It's just that it's not so swift out of the blocks, and overtaking on single carriageways requires a little more anticipation and spacial awareness.

It's cheap to run and insure and RFL is only £115 (from memory).

Negative points: I get thoroughly brassed off if I get less than 500 miles from a tankful of the heavy stuff.

I'm delighted with mine, but I would still be the first in the queue for a bigger brother when they launch it.

NEMINI · Oct 14th, 2003, 11:27 PM

well let's see ...
doubt a 1.9l would fit under the bonnet or they'd have fitted a bigger displacement gas engine to start with.
a diesel that would match or beat an MCS? they'd be shooting themselves in the foot so it would never happen.
It'd be awefully front heavy so I'm pretty sure it'd take quite a bit of suspension tuning to give it the handling we all expect.

Never bad to dream tho I guess

badboyzbadboyz · Oct 15th, 2003, 12:05 AM

Yea its a shame about the MINI Diesel. My mates dad was looking at buying one but when he saw the performance figures he looked elsewhere. Still, I would never buy one in a MINI personally ..... too damn loud

Pobsey · Oct 15th, 2003, 06:51 AM

In europe at least there seams to be a market for diesel cars with similar or better performance compared to their petrol counterpart
eg golf the tdi 150 is faster than the petrol
bmw the 330d is also faster than the 325i

diesels also tend to be of larger capacity to offset the slightly lower bhp / litre.

VW can fit 1.9 under the bonnet of a polo, so the engine cant be that big...

Yellow Belly · Oct 15th, 2003, 07:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by badboyzbadboyz

Yea its a shame about the MINI Diesel. My mates dad was looking at buying one but when he saw the performance figures he looked elsewhere. Still, I would never buy one in a MINI personally ..... too damn loud

The performance figures are truly excellent if you are a high mileage driver who drives on roads with speed limits, congestion, speed cameras, speed humps, tractors and caravans on single carriageways with heavy traffic etc. Sounds like a road near you?

Had your mates dad actually driven the car he would have bought one. The truth is that the One D will still get you from A-B in the same time as any petrol One in real driving. Furthermore the higher torque makes for easier driving. And when your dads mate realised he could get over 600 miles on a tank of fuel he would have got his deposit out double quick. Or is there a new breed of drivers that actually enjoys queuing for fuel at the filling station and paying more taxes to Mr Blair?

As for noise the ONE D is quieter than the ONE in motion. Only at tick over would you hear the difference. Sounds like the one you must have only heard in a traffic jam? The ONE D has no apologies to make. Its engine was highly respected even before BMW tuners got their hands on it. Now it is even better.

What actually is a shame is the petrol version engine.

Pobsey · Oct 15th, 2003, 08:30 PM

I didnt plan to be disrespectful to One D owners with the idea of a more powerful diesel, but its like saying that because there is a MINI one why would anyone want anything faster. Its just the way we are always wanting something better/faster

badboyzbadboyz · Oct 15th, 2003, 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Yellow Belly

The performance figures are truly excellent if you are a high mileage driver who drives on roads with speed limits, congestion, speed cameras, speed humps, tractors and caravans on single carriageways with heavy traffic etc. Sounds like a road near you?

Had your mates dad actually driven the car he would have bought one. The truth is that the One D will still get you from A-B in the same time as any petrol One in real driving. Furthermore the higher torque makes for easier driving. And when your dads mate realised he could get over 600 miles on a tank of fuel he would have got his deposit out double quick. Or is there a new breed of drivers that actually enjoys queuing for fuel at the filling station and paying more taxes to Mr Blair?

As for noise the ONE D is quieter than the ONE in motion. Only at tick over would you hear the difference. Sounds like the one you must have only heard in a traffic jam? The ONE D has no apologies to make. Its engine was highly respected even before BMW tuners got their hands on it. Now it is even better.

What actually is a shame is the petrol version engine.

Well he drives a Golf 1.9 TD now and gets about 52 mpg with a car that has quite high performance. As for your comment on if he drove one he would have bought one, well he did drive one and didn't buy one. Nice car he said, but worse performance on a car which has similar fuel consumption to his higher performance diesel.
I have driven all 3 petrol models and they are all so nice to drive. The fuel consumption is obviously worse for all the pertols but the performance of all three were very respectable. Not quite sure what is a shame about any of them ? They sell alot better than the diesel

StevePSB · Oct 15th, 2003, 10:05 PM

I drove a ONE D for the first time tonight and it's O.K. but it's not as good as the Cooper.

The 'make a decent diesel' post was really saying I wish it were fast(er) and I wish it were Cooper spec with all Cooper options open to it.

I too wonder how they can get 1.7 to 1.9 litre diesel engines under the bonnets of small cars, but not the MINI. There must be a way!

The noise - not brilliant IMHO.
Not too bad at tickover, but when you give it some welly it gets very loud indeed.
You could hear the turbo whistle over the engine of my old 1991 Vauxhall Nova 1.5TD (another fine Jap engine) when you booted it, so it was relatively quiet compared with the MINI D.

The Nova (shi* off a shovel quick!) was quieter, and that was only an 8 valve. I imagine the Nova had more sound deadening to stop the noise coming into the cabin (and the diesel Novas did have lots of sound deadening over their petrol counterparts...).

I suppose the MINI D engines will get a bit quieter with a few miles under their belts though.

NEMINI · Oct 16th, 2003, 03:38 AM

I don't think the aim of the One D was speed but rather economy in that respect goal accomplished ... no?

MINIMEDE · Oct 27th, 2003, 08:31 AM

The One D was launched in only 11 or 12 countries I think, the one with already big market for diesel such as France, Belgium or Germany (but not the Netherlands for instance...) Since there is also a big difference in the price of fuel and also the road tax and insurance is based on engine size and power (1400cc/75hp) which makes the One D A LOT CHEAPER to use ! and not only because it gets better gas mileage...

I have one, and it is very quiet (quieter inside than equivalent petrol One or Cooper) and the performance are may be not impressive on paper, but if you drive it, you'll be positively surprised ! especially with the 6 gearbox from the Cooper S !
Now if you do want even better performance in the same engine you can still "chip" it (several makes and possibilities with cost of around 700€) and it will give you even better torque and marginal higher power output, and with the same great gas mileage !!!
You should check on the threads on the Mini One D forum for more info and reports of those who have gone for the MOD...

Cheers !

punkeyfunky · Oct 27th, 2003, 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Pobsey

Heres an idol thought (can you tell I'm supposed to be doing work right now!!) what would have happened if BMW hadn't choosen to use the Yaris engine in the one D, but instead used the VW 1.9 diesel family - wouldn't fit I know but as I said earlier just a bored thought[snip]

My Mrs picked up her new brand Golf 1.9 TDI/PD130 on Saturday (oh, she works for VW...). I have to admit, that thing has got some shove!

If I could get that engine (or one with similar power) in a Cooper with CVT, well, I've got a deposit waiting

I did spec out a Golf, 150ps, tiptronic etc, and it came out to over £22K....

L

Oct 13th, 2003, 08:21 PM	#1
Pobsey The de Chromed MINI My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Staffordshire Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 3,162 Offline	A proper mini diesel Heres an idol thought (can you tell I'm supposed to be doing work right now!!) what would have happened if BMW hadn't choosen to use the Yaris engine in the one D, but instead used the VW 1.9 diesel family - wouldn't fit I know but as I said earlier just a bored thought. You would just have a one D, but also a Cooper D (TDI 130) and heavens above and Cooper SD (TDI 150) a mini with 320Nm of torque!!! Road testers recon that the lardy150bhp golf can keep up with the 200bhp breed of hot hatches, so a mini (300kg lighter)and with its world renowned handling would surely be more than a match.. Last edited by Pobsey : Oct 13th, 2003 at 08:32 PM.

Oct 14th, 2003, 10:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Harpo Havin' fun... My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: ...on the run. Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 4,546 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by StevePSB ...I really, really wish they'd make a decent diesel... But they do make a decent diesel - it's great in 95% of everyday driving conditions, and it's not bad on Mini runs either. It's just that it's not so swift out of the blocks, and overtaking on single carriageways requires a little more anticipation and spacial awareness. It's cheap to run and insure and RFL is only £115 (from memory). Negative points: I get thoroughly brassed off if I get less than 500 miles from a tankful of the heavy stuff. I'm delighted with mine, but I would still be the first in the queue for a bigger brother when they launch it. The Return of The Ridgeway - Sunday May 25th 2008 The Arctic Circle Run - Summer 2008

Oct 14th, 2003, 11:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
NEMINI NEMINI.org Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 08:55 AM Posts: 7,911 Offline	well let's see ... doubt a 1.9l would fit under the bonnet or they'd have fitted a bigger displacement gas engine to start with. a diesel that would match or beat an MCS? they'd be shooting themselves in the foot so it would never happen. It'd be awefully front heavy so I'm pretty sure it'd take quite a bit of suspension tuning to give it the handling we all expect. Never bad to dream tho I guess NEMINI.org, NEMINI.us, NEMINI.info, NYMINI.org

Oct 16th, 2003, 03:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
NEMINI NEMINI.org Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 08:55 AM Posts: 7,911 Offline	I don't think the aim of the One D was speed but rather economy in that respect goal accomplished ... no? NEMINI.org, NEMINI.us, NEMINI.info, NYMINI.org

Oct 27th, 2003, 08:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
MINIMEDE MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Knokke-le-Zoute Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 47 Offline	The One D was launched in only 11 or 12 countries I think, the one with already big market for diesel such as France, Belgium or Germany (but not the Netherlands for instance...) Since there is also a big difference in the price of fuel and also the road tax and insurance is based on engine size and power (1400cc/75hp) which makes the One D A LOT CHEAPER to use ! and not only because it gets better gas mileage... I have one, and it is very quiet (quieter inside than equivalent petrol One or Cooper) and the performance are may be not impressive on paper, but if you drive it, you'll be positively surprised ! especially with the 6 gearbox from the Cooper S ! Now if you do want even better performance in the same engine you can still "chip" it (several makes and possibilities with cost of around 700€) and it will give you even better torque and marginal higher power output, and with the same great gas mileage !!! You should check on the threads on the Mini One D forum for more info and reports of those who have gone for the MOD... Cheers ! VDK

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Oct 13th, 2003, 08:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
ALD0 MINI2 Master <div><a href= Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 9,445 Offline	If they had I probably would have bought one, they have released a more powerful Yaris diesel engine now, wonder if they will do the same for MINI?

Oct 14th, 2003, 08:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Pobsey The de Chromed MINI My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Staffordshire Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 3,162 Offline	I recon may more people would buy a more powerful diesel with it being so frugal and yet still very drivable

Oct 14th, 2003, 09:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
StevePSB MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bedworth / Doncaster Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 1,631 Offline	I'd definitely buy one. I really, really wish they'd make a decent diesel... I'd go for a Cooper in relatively quick Cooper or better performance guise. In fact I'd be first in the queue. Dreams...

Oct 15th, 2003, 12:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
badboyzbadboyz MINI2 Jedi Master Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 01:55 PM Posts: 1,257 Offline	Yea its a shame about the MINI Diesel. My mates dad was looking at buying one but when he saw the performance figures he looked elsewhere. Still, I would never buy one in a MINI personally ..... too damn loud

Oct 15th, 2003, 06:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
Pobsey The de Chromed MINI My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Staffordshire Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 3,162 Offline	In europe at least there seams to be a market for diesel cars with similar or better performance compared to their petrol counterpart eg golf the tdi 150 is faster than the petrol bmw the 330d is also faster than the 325i diesels also tend to be of larger capacity to offset the slightly lower bhp / litre. VW can fit 1.9 under the bonnet of a polo, so the engine cant be that big...

Oct 15th, 2003, 07:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
Yellow Belly MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lincoln Local Time: 01:55 PM Posts: 59 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by badboyzbadboyz Yea its a shame about the MINI Diesel. My mates dad was looking at buying one but when he saw the performance figures he looked elsewhere. Still, I would never buy one in a MINI personally ..... too damn loud The performance figures are truly excellent if you are a high mileage driver who drives on roads with speed limits, congestion, speed cameras, speed humps, tractors and caravans on single carriageways with heavy traffic etc. Sounds like a road near you? Had your mates dad actually driven the car he would have bought one. The truth is that the One D will still get you from A-B in the same time as any petrol One in real driving. Furthermore the higher torque makes for easier driving. And when your dads mate realised he could get over 600 miles on a tank of fuel he would have got his deposit out double quick. Or is there a new breed of drivers that actually enjoys queuing for fuel at the filling station and paying more taxes to Mr Blair? As for noise the ONE D is quieter than the ONE in motion. Only at tick over would you hear the difference. Sounds like the one you must have only heard in a traffic jam? The ONE D has no apologies to make. Its engine was highly respected even before BMW tuners got their hands on it. Now it is even better. What actually is a shame is the petrol version engine.

Oct 15th, 2003, 08:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Pobsey The de Chromed MINI My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Staffordshire Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 3,162 Offline	I didnt plan to be disrespectful to One D owners with the idea of a more powerful diesel, but its like saying that because there is a MINI one why would anyone want anything faster. Its just the way we are always wanting something better/faster

Oct 15th, 2003, 09:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
badboyzbadboyz MINI2 Jedi Master Join Date: May 2003 Local Time: 01:55 PM Posts: 1,257 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Yellow Belly The performance figures are truly excellent if you are a high mileage driver who drives on roads with speed limits, congestion, speed cameras, speed humps, tractors and caravans on single carriageways with heavy traffic etc. Sounds like a road near you? Had your mates dad actually driven the car he would have bought one. The truth is that the One D will still get you from A-B in the same time as any petrol One in real driving. Furthermore the higher torque makes for easier driving. And when your dads mate realised he could get over 600 miles on a tank of fuel he would have got his deposit out double quick. Or is there a new breed of drivers that actually enjoys queuing for fuel at the filling station and paying more taxes to Mr Blair? As for noise the ONE D is quieter than the ONE in motion. Only at tick over would you hear the difference. Sounds like the one you must have only heard in a traffic jam? The ONE D has no apologies to make. Its engine was highly respected even before BMW tuners got their hands on it. Now it is even better. What actually is a shame is the petrol version engine. Well he drives a Golf 1.9 TD now and gets about 52 mpg with a car that has quite high performance. As for your comment on if he drove one he would have bought one, well he did drive one and didn't buy one. Nice car he said, but worse performance on a car which has similar fuel consumption to his higher performance diesel. I have driven all 3 petrol models and they are all so nice to drive. The fuel consumption is obviously worse for all the pertols but the performance of all three were very respectable. Not quite sure what is a shame about any of them ? They sell alot better than the diesel

Oct 15th, 2003, 10:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
StevePSB MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bedworth / Doncaster Local Time: 02:55 PM Posts: 1,631 Offline	I drove a ONE D for the first time tonight and it's O.K. but it's not as good as the Cooper. The 'make a decent diesel' post was really saying I wish it were fast(er) and I wish it were Cooper spec with all Cooper options open to it. I too wonder how they can get 1.7 to 1.9 litre diesel engines under the bonnets of small cars, but not the MINI. There must be a way! The noise - not brilliant IMHO. Not too bad at tickover, but when you give it some welly it gets very loud indeed. You could hear the turbo whistle over the engine of my old 1991 Vauxhall Nova 1.5TD (another fine Jap engine) when you booted it, so it was relatively quiet compared with the MINI D. The Nova (shi* off a shovel quick!) was quieter, and that was only an 8 valve. I imagine the Nova had more sound deadening to stop the noise coming into the cabin (and the diesel Novas did have lots of sound deadening over their petrol counterparts...). I suppose the MINI D engines will get a bit quieter with a few miles under their belts though.

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Oct 27th, 2003, 08:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
punkeyfunky UberGeek Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 01:55 PM Posts: 862 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Pobsey Heres an idol thought (can you tell I'm supposed to be doing work right now!!) what would have happened if BMW hadn't choosen to use the Yaris engine in the one D, but instead used the VW 1.9 diesel family - wouldn't fit I know but as I said earlier just a bored thought[snip] My Mrs picked up her new brand Golf 1.9 TDI/PD130 on Saturday (oh, she works for VW...). I have to admit, that thing has got some shove! If I could get that engine (or one with similar power) in a Cooper with CVT, well, I've got a deposit waiting I did spec out a Golf, 150ps, tiptronic etc, and it came out to over £22K.... L

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