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redfeather19 · Dec 17th, 2007, 09:02 AM

Hi there
Had my mini 1 convertable for one month and generally pleased with it. It is however rather slow especially as its a cabrio and weighs 130 llbs more than the hatch apparently!
I wondered what other owners thought about 'chipping' it to 'Cooper' spec and whether its worth the £300 odd !!

MiniPetrolHead · Dec 17th, 2007, 09:25 AM

Chipping a One is without a dout the best thing you can do to it! When i had my One and installed the bluefin on my drive way, the moment i took it out for a spin i was amaized at the results!

If your going to get a chip dont just go to the cooper spec level i.e. 115bhp like some maps offer, go for something like the bluefin that you can take on and off when you want which puts the car around 8bhp more than a standard cooper, so for you it will go from 90 to 123bhp in the space of 2 min!!

Let us know how you get on with it!

Alex

Mess · Dec 17th, 2007, 09:34 AM

Bluefin all the way

RyanK · Dec 17th, 2007, 12:10 PM

Like others have said, Bluefin is the Way to go!

As Alex said, I installed mine in my driveway and as soon as the bluefin module was removed I took a trip on the dual carriageway.

Its been 4 months since I got it now and it still puts a smile to my face!

Ryan

johnlondonw3 · Dec 17th, 2007, 01:56 PM

Im in the throws of deciding which way to go with this....does it make any difference who supplies the Bluefin ?
By this I mean if its just posted out to you to install yourself then the only criteria is who will supply it the most cheaply ??

redfeather19 · Dec 17th, 2007, 03:46 PM

Thanks Alex and everyone for your very helpful comment on this. Can you tell me one more thing?
Bluefin looks like the way to go but does it make any noticeable difference under 4000rpm. Most of my driving is done between 2-4000rpm and its there I am looking for an improvement not really past 4000rpm!

Is bluefin the way to go - if so how is it fitted?

thanks again

RyanK · Dec 17th, 2007, 11:32 PM

In all honesty I would not go for the bluefin if you drive between 2-4000.

There is a noticeable difference below 4000, however to get the full £300 worth you need to take it past 4000.

After 5 minutes It feels like your engine has V-Tec! The module just plugs into your ECU...placed above the pedals. Its basically the same sort of set up as inputting a USB device into a PC/Laptop...so simple.

Just my opinion though.

Scrogg · Dec 17th, 2007, 11:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by johnlondonw3 (original)

By this I mean if its just posted out to you to install yourself then the only criteria is who will supply it the most cheaply ??

Yep. It doesn't matter who you buy it from, it's always the same.

redfeather19 · Dec 18th, 2007, 07:52 AM

Thanks for everyones helpful advice. Think I might leave it as standard as I rarely take it above 4000rpm and this seems to be where the advantage of bluefin is! Wont have to tell insurance company either!
incidentally seems to be going better now ive had it for a month and got used to the less than wonderful gearbox!! (its only gremlin far as i'm concerned)

vigilante · Feb 3rd, 2008, 12:44 AM

remapping should be no.1 on any 1st gen one owners mod list. my ecu was taken to watch the mini challenge by steve at robertshaw racing and came back brainwashed with a 2003 cooper challenge race map...the power kicks in at just over 3000rpm and its to the red line in a flash...the limiter makes you go for the next cog at 7300rpm... before remapping one's feel held back...you can tell they can give more if it wasn't for mr bmw dragging along the floor scraping fingernail marks in the road...even if you haven't got a lead foot a remap will still make your one more drivable. especially low down and at motorway speeds...gets rid of those flat spots that you don't really notice till you go snatching for a lower cog needing to get of a situation...

sorry this was a rather long winded post but hopefully it could be found helpful...in some way at least
steve

Mark84 · Feb 3rd, 2008, 10:33 PM

I was also looking at gettin one of these for my 2003 cooper (an R51? am i Right?) and wondered if they are as effective on the cooper or is there a better option for home DIY plug and play?

Also where is the cheapest place to get this or if you buy second hand how easy is it to get Superchips/bluefin to reset it so i can use it on my car! (sorry to hijack the post

)

Thanks in advance

johnlondonw3 · Feb 4th, 2008, 01:10 PM

Mark
the bluefin appears to retail at about £295/300 .If any one knows where to get it cheaper pm me !
The gains for the cooper are insignificant compared to those on the ONE,the net effect is to increase the power in a ONE to that of a cooper,by allowing the throtle body to fully open (the engines are all the same ,the one being artificially restricted)
Where you get about 33bhp increase in a one ,I think its only about 8 bhp on a cooper .

Ive seen 2nd hand ones advertised,for eg theres one on e bay now with a starting bid of £50.
I rang Superchip and they can re programme but charge £215 to do it ,so by the time the bidding has finished on the ebay one it'll almost inevitably cost more than a new one

Mark84 · Feb 4th, 2008, 03:15 PM

thinkin i'll just buy it new! My target HP was 130ish and Lohern do a package rated at 130hp which includes the blufin, piper panel filter and iridium sparks! then i'll look at a cat back (most prop the militek) and i should be good for 130 and above don't you think? thoughts anyone?

i've only had the cooper for two weeks and my thoughts are that the initial pull off and low end revs need freeing up which the blufin and breathing mods should help! my fiancee has a smart roadster and although i have no probs keeping up, her car is soooo light its embarrising off the line against her and i just can't have that! lol

David King · Feb 4th, 2008, 05:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by johnlondonw3 (original)

Mark
the bluefin appears to retail at about £295/300 .If any one knows where to get it cheaper pm me !
The gains for the cooper are insignificant compared to those on the ONE,the net effect is to increase the power in a ONE to that of a cooper,by allowing the throtle body to fully open (the engines are all the same ,the one being artificially restricted)
Where you get about 33bhp increase in a one ,I think its only about 8 bhp on a cooper .

Ive seen 2nd hand ones advertised,for eg theres one on e bay now with a starting bid of £50.
I rang Superchip and they can re programme but charge £215 to do it ,so by the time the bidding has finished on the ebay one it'll almost inevitably cost more than a new one

Im sure MiniOneSam said that if you ring up the buckingham Superchips (bluefin) and quote MINI2 they do it for £270, however he would have to confirm this.

In regards to the used unit, it can be cheaper but only if you can get a used unit at a good price, of which £50 is not.

johnlondonw3 · Feb 5th, 2008, 09:02 PM

general view seems to be that you need to be at 4000 rpm before any difference is felt...does this mean that the ONE and COOPER perform the same up to 4000rpm ?

David King · Feb 6th, 2008, 10:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by johnlondonw3 (original)

general view seems to be that you need to be at 4000 rpm before any difference is felt...does this mean that the ONE and COOPER perform the same up to 4000rpm ?

Having gone from a ONE to a Cooper, the Cooper is definately more responsive below 4k, but i think thats more to do with the gearing.

The remap will get rid of the flat spots all over the rev range. I would say it would make a difference, but wether its a £300 difference, only you can decide.

johnlondonw3 · Feb 6th, 2008, 01:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by David King (original)

Having gone from a ONE to a Cooper, the Cooper is definately more responsive below 4k, but i think thats more to do with the gearing.

The remap will get rid of the flat spots all over the rev range. I would say it would make a difference, but wether its a £300 difference, only you can decide.

Yes I assumed the gearing would be different ,but as you say if it gets rid of the flat spots then sounds like its a bit of a bargain ,ie to get near enough cooper performance for £300 ,given theres a £1,400 difference in price between a ONE and a COOPER

Dec 17th, 2007, 09:02 AM	#1
redfeather19 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 8 Offline	Chip my Mini one ?? Hi there Had my mini 1 convertable for one month and generally pleased with it. It is however rather slow especially as its a cabrio and weighs 130 llbs more than the hatch apparently! I wondered what other owners thought about 'chipping' it to 'Cooper' spec and whether its worth the £300 odd !!

Feb 3rd, 2008, 12:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
vigilante Whats this Datsun? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: durham drift school Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 781 Offline	remapping should be no.1 on any 1st gen one owners mod list. my ecu was taken to watch the mini challenge by steve at robertshaw racing and came back brainwashed with a 2003 cooper challenge race map...the power kicks in at just over 3000rpm and its to the red line in a flash...the limiter makes you go for the next cog at 7300rpm... before remapping one's feel held back...you can tell they can give more if it wasn't for mr bmw dragging along the floor scraping fingernail marks in the road...even if you haven't got a lead foot a remap will still make your one more drivable. especially low down and at motorway speeds...gets rid of those flat spots that you don't really notice till you go snatching for a lower cog needing to get of a situation... sorry this was a rather long winded post but hopefully it could be found helpful...in some way at least steve Mini Mania 08 13th July 08 - Durham - Its mahoosive! North East Mini Club - More Mini Fun in the North East!! Last edited by vigilante : Feb 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 AM. Reason: typo's...stupid wii-mote!!!

Feb 3rd, 2008, 10:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mark84 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hornchurch, Essex Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 62 Offline	I was also looking at gettin one of these for my 2003 cooper (an R51? am i Right?) and wondered if they are as effective on the cooper or is there a better option for home DIY plug and play? Also where is the cheapest place to get this or if you buy second hand how easy is it to get Superchips/bluefin to reset it so i can use it on my car! (sorry to hijack the post) Thanks in advance

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Dec 17th, 2007, 09:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
MiniPetrolHead 263bhp / 284.55Nm Torque My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Eastbourne E.Sussex Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 670 Offline	Chipping a One is without a dout the best thing you can do to it! When i had my One and installed the bluefin on my drive way, the moment i took it out for a spin i was amaized at the results! If your going to get a chip dont just go to the cooper spec level i.e. 115bhp like some maps offer, go for something like the bluefin that you can take on and off when you want which puts the car around 8bhp more than a standard cooper, so for you it will go from 90 to 123bhp in the space of 2 min!! Let us know how you get on with it! Alex

Dec 17th, 2007, 09:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mess Go Go Gadget Mini Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 644 Offline	Bluefin all the way

Dec 17th, 2007, 12:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
RyanK Pure Silver Batman Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 469 Offline	Like others have said, Bluefin is the Way to go! As Alex said, I installed mine in my driveway and as soon as the bluefin module was removed I took a trip on the dual carriageway. Its been 4 months since I got it now and it still puts a smile to my face! Ryan

Dec 17th, 2007, 01:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
johnlondonw3 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 691 Offline	Im in the throws of deciding which way to go with this....does it make any difference who supplies the Bluefin ? By this I mean if its just posted out to you to install yourself then the only criteria is who will supply it the most cheaply ??

Dec 17th, 2007, 03:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
redfeather19 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 8 Offline	Thanks Alex and everyone for your very helpful comment on this. Can you tell me one more thing? Bluefin looks like the way to go but does it make any noticeable difference under 4000rpm. Most of my driving is done between 2-4000rpm and its there I am looking for an improvement not really past 4000rpm! Is bluefin the way to go - if so how is it fitted? thanks again

Dec 17th, 2007, 11:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
RyanK Pure Silver Batman Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 469 Offline	In all honesty I would not go for the bluefin if you drive between 2-4000. There is a noticeable difference below 4000, however to get the full £300 worth you need to take it past 4000. After 5 minutes It feels like your engine has V-Tec! The module just plugs into your ECU...placed above the pedals. Its basically the same sort of set up as inputting a USB device into a PC/Laptop...so simple. Just my opinion though.

Dec 17th, 2007, 11:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Scrogg What's Next? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 15,069 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by johnlondonw3 (original) By this I mean if its just posted out to you to install yourself then the only criteria is who will supply it the most cheaply ?? Yep. It doesn't matter who you buy it from, it's always the same.

Dec 18th, 2007, 07:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
redfeather19 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 8 Offline	Thanks for everyones helpful advice. Think I might leave it as standard as I rarely take it above 4000rpm and this seems to be where the advantage of bluefin is! Wont have to tell insurance company either! incidentally seems to be going better now ive had it for a month and got used to the less than wonderful gearbox!! (its only gremlin far as i'm concerned)

Feb 4th, 2008, 01:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
johnlondonw3 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 691 Offline	Mark the bluefin appears to retail at about £295/300 .If any one knows where to get it cheaper pm me ! The gains for the cooper are insignificant compared to those on the ONE,the net effect is to increase the power in a ONE to that of a cooper,by allowing the throtle body to fully open (the engines are all the same ,the one being artificially restricted) Where you get about 33bhp increase in a one ,I think its only about 8 bhp on a cooper . Ive seen 2nd hand ones advertised,for eg theres one on e bay now with a starting bid of £50. I rang Superchip and they can re programme but charge £215 to do it ,so by the time the bidding has finished on the ebay one it'll almost inevitably cost more than a new one

Feb 4th, 2008, 03:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mark84 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hornchurch, Essex Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 62 Offline	thinkin i'll just buy it new! My target HP was 130ish and Lohern do a package rated at 130hp which includes the blufin, piper panel filter and iridium sparks! then i'll look at a cat back (most prop the militek) and i should be good for 130 and above don't you think? thoughts anyone? i've only had the cooper for two weeks and my thoughts are that the initial pull off and low end revs need freeing up which the blufin and breathing mods should help! my fiancee has a smart roadster and although i have no probs keeping up, her car is soooo light its embarrising off the line against her and i just can't have that! lol

Feb 4th, 2008, 05:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
David King Captain Slow My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Beds Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 756 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by johnlondonw3 (original) Mark the bluefin appears to retail at about £295/300 .If any one knows where to get it cheaper pm me ! The gains for the cooper are insignificant compared to those on the ONE,the net effect is to increase the power in a ONE to that of a cooper,by allowing the throtle body to fully open (the engines are all the same ,the one being artificially restricted) Where you get about 33bhp increase in a one ,I think its only about 8 bhp on a cooper . Ive seen 2nd hand ones advertised,for eg theres one on e bay now with a starting bid of £50. I rang Superchip and they can re programme but charge £215 to do it ,so by the time the bidding has finished on the ebay one it'll almost inevitably cost more than a new one Im sure MiniOneSam said that if you ring up the buckingham Superchips (bluefin) and quote MINI2 they do it for £270, however he would have to confirm this. In regards to the used unit, it can be cheaper but only if you can get a used unit at a good price, of which £50 is not.

Feb 5th, 2008, 09:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
johnlondonw3 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 691 Offline	general view seems to be that you need to be at 4000 rpm before any difference is felt...does this mean that the ONE and COOPER perform the same up to 4000rpm ?

Feb 6th, 2008, 10:32 AM	#16 (permalink)
David King Captain Slow My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Beds Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 756 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by johnlondonw3 (original) general view seems to be that you need to be at 4000 rpm before any difference is felt...does this mean that the ONE and COOPER perform the same up to 4000rpm ? Having gone from a ONE to a Cooper, the Cooper is definately more responsive below 4k, but i think thats more to do with the gearing. The remap will get rid of the flat spots all over the rev range. I would say it would make a difference, but wether its a £300 difference, only you can decide.

Feb 6th, 2008, 01:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
johnlondonw3 MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 09:42 AM Posts: 691 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by David King (original) Having gone from a ONE to a Cooper, the Cooper is definately more responsive below 4k, but i think thats more to do with the gearing. The remap will get rid of the flat spots all over the rev range. I would say it would make a difference, but wether its a £300 difference, only you can decide. Yes I assumed the gearing would be different ,but as you say if it gets rid of the flat spots then sounds like its a bit of a bargain ,ie to get near enough cooper performance for £300 ,given theres a £1,400 difference in price between a ONE and a COOPER

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