[super_mini]

My mini one has been under many 0-60 speed tests, with 147BHP and one person in the car i can hit 0-60MPH in under 7 seconds everytime, after the chipping, boost valve etc the car`s torque is so high an just rips off, Il send in a chart with the figures related very soon

[Dom]

Hmmm... I'd need to see that chart and some timing slips to believe that, being that it takes a 200bhp cooper s to break 7 seconds...

[mini2003]

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Originally posted by super_mini
My mini one has been under many 0-60 speed tests, with 147BHP and one person in the car i can hit 0-60MPH in under 7 seconds everytime, after the chipping, boost valve etc the car`s torque is so high an just rips off, Il send in a chart with the figures related very soon

what all engine work do you have done them figures sound very impressive

[super_mini]

to first reply, A standard 160 BHP cooper s is slower in a sprint than my car (with equal no. of passengers)
And as i pointed out because of the seperate tunning and best equipment for optimum power release my car has generated a great deal extra torque. However as i say i will post the relevant details on here soon, just give me 2 weeks max cause thats when the car is getting timed again.

Second reply Mini2003 i`d like to tell you in more specific details but considering this is a british internet forum i`l hold the "extra" upgrades i have to myself as basically they are not inssured but again i will make sure you recieve the figures and a nice shot of my sexy mini to go along with it, thank you

[Dom]

cheers, a bit dubious about how you can have enough torque to pull it off but will wait for the paperwork

[AidenL]

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I`ve had my 1 for over 1 year now an done 22000 miles so far, it is superchiped (30+BHP), Janspeed manifold/sports cat-On Magnex Back box, piper x air filter, FSE boost valve - lowered etc, in total generating around 147 BHP.

These are the mods, I take it, already posted by you elsewhere on MINI2?

[super_mini]

yes you could say that but as i stated already thats as much as i`m going to say just now anyways

[super_mini]

check standard models for torque and BHP

One : 101 BHP with 130 NM-2
cooper : 115 BHP with 139 NM-2

a cooper with a 10 bhp upgrade will not add as much torque to the car as a one recieving 30 bhp chip. With a difference of 9 NM-2 and 14 BHP adding on a 10 bhp chip will create much less torque than when a 30 is added to a one. For example if you opt for the 10 bhp chip for the One the bhp of your car will be 2 BHP less than that of a standard cooper and adding over 9 NM-2 of torque so therefore a 30 bhp chip will blast the one past a cooper as i could do before i went for a boost valve, manifold/sports cat etc, I`m not trying to make the cooper sound bad as i have no opinion when it comes to which model of the Mini`s is better because as i say it takes money to make a car faster and so anyone could have a speedy car if they had the cash

[Paul]

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Originally posted by super_mini
check standard models for torque and BHP

One : 101 BHP with 130 NM-2
cooper : 115 BHP with 139 NM-2

a cooper with a 10 bhp upgrade will not add as much torque to the car as a one recieving 30 bhp chip. With a difference of 9 NM-2 and 14 BHP adding on a 10 bhp chip will create much less torque than when a 30 is added to a one. For example if you opt for the 10 bhp chip for the One the bhp of your car will be 2 BHP less than that of a standard cooper and adding over 9 NM-2 of torque so therefore a 30 bhp chip will blast the one past a cooper as i could do before i went for a boost valve, manifold/sports cat etc, I`m not trying to make the cooper sound bad as i have no opinion when it comes to which model of the Mini`s is better because as i say it takes money to make a car faster and so anyone could have a speedy car if they had the cash

We've done this before (a lot) on MINI2.

Let's use a single dyno as a benchmark... say SuperChips.

It seems most MINI Ones give about 100 bhp STANDARD on their rollers.

Most MINI Coopers give about 124 bhp STANDARD on their rollers.

The One and the Cooper have the same engine. The exhuast makes little difference. They also have a different final drive. Making the Cooper quicker of the mark.

They 'Stage One' One chip brings the One to the same level as the Cooper. They actually developed the stage one originally by plugging in a Cooper and a One, and comparing the settings. They then simply matched the One to the Cooper (identicle throttle etc. settings) and Bob's Yer Uncle, as stage One SuperChip.

The stage 2 for the One, is the same as the stage 1 (only option) for the Cooper. They are effectively the same programme. You have the same engine tuned to the same level.

[super_mini]

i`m sorry if i`ve sounded rude but yes you may be correct but you missed my point, the torque added in a ten bhp chip is not the same as a 30 bhp chip and considering the differences as standard is 130 NM-2 for One and 139 NM-2 for the cooper, so as i said the bhp`s will be pretty eqaul but torque isn`t, and i took ur point about the final drive ratio, it`s very true but the boost valve certainly takes away any difference totally and to be honest i prefer the longer gear ratio because it means i can peak out at more per gear and when your car is at 147bhp it`s pretty fun, but as i say all the bloody time i think (u may need to give me shock therapy to stop my one track mind) as soon as i get more money saved up and even more productshave been released and tested i will add it on
I aint even got the new head gasket man!!!!

[KenL]

Are torque and bhp directly related ?

A lot of diesel engines have low bhp but masses of torque.

[Dom]

they are related, but I don't understand it... all I know is torque turns the wheels and bhp sells the car!

super_mini, the 30bhp chip for the one IS the 8bhp chip for the cooper. It's the same engine, but the one is just differently 'chipped' as standard.

Easiest to explain if you look at the graphs on the superchips site:

This is the +30bhp for the ONE

http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/minionep2.pdf
Max Power: 131Bhp @ 5920rpm
Max Torque: 169Nm @ 4853rpm

This is the +8bhp for the COOPER
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/minicooper.pdf
Max Power: 131Bhp @ 5920rpm
Max Torque: 169Nm @ 4853rpm

It looks like superchips have used the same graph for both because essentially both cars are the same. Any variations between a chipped ONE and a chipped COOPER would simply be down to how the car was run in, minor engine tolerances, stuff like that.

Hope that explains it mate,

Dom

[Paul]

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Originally posted by super_mini
i`m sorry if i`ve sounded rude but yes you may be correct but you missed my point, the torque added in a ten bhp chip is not the same as a 30 bhp chip and considering the differences as standard is 130 NM-2 for One and 139 NM-2 for the cooper, so as i said the bhp`s will be pretty eqaul but torque isn`t, and i took ur point about the final drive ratio, it`s very true but the boost valve certainly takes away any difference totally and to be honest i prefer the longer gear ratio because it means i can peak out at more per gear and when your car is at 147bhp it`s pretty fun, but as i say all the bloody time i think (u may need to give me shock therapy to stop my one track mind) as soon as i get more money saved up and even more productshave been released and tested i will add it on
I aint even got the new head gasket man!!!!

See Dom's post above.

The point you haven't taken on board is the fact they're the same engine, and the phase two chip for the one gives the same estimated BHP and torque as the stage one chip for the Cooper.

I haven't missed your point, I am attempting to correct it.

[Paul]

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Originally posted by KenL
Are torque and bhp directly related ?

A lot of diesel engines have low bhp but masses of torque.

For example the MINI One D (well, not masses of torque, but a lot for a 75 bhp engine!).

[super_mini]

okay okay i see, but i speak directly to the dealer, i have the knowledge myself, but i do believe you and i know the engines are identical, it`s just something that caught my eye reading the owners manuel

Torque is basically the same as pressure in that pressure = force/area which is measured in Newtons per meter square (NM-2) or Pa Pascals.
But here is where i need help, what the hell has that got to do with how much ur car pulls itself

[super_mini]

any runs coming up near edinburgh Paul?

[Manx Bean]

http://www.ask.co.uk/metasearch.asp?...false&uk=false

This is probably the longest link I've ever seen, but I think it might explain the Torque Vs. Horsepower thing. It actually looks quite interesting if you are awake enough to take it all in.

Hope it all helps!

PS. 147bhp in a one sounds fun, I assume the warranty is well and truly shredded!

[Dom]

The link doesn't work... too long

try this one:

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/...8/torque.shtml

[RedUn]

I have read somewhere that torque is left over power errmm my explanation follows:
i don't know if this is right please correct me if i am wrong but the way it read to me was,
say it takes 30bhp to keep a car going on flat and ure car produces 100bhp, thats 70bhp to accelerate left over this left over figure is then related to torque i.e. torque as the pulling force, this maybe right but it always seems that there is more power than torque on N/A petrol engines.
I dunno if this helps explain anything

[super_mini]

cheers dom, mans bean an redun, read the collection from all of u and it helped, it seems a topic that no many people are able to always offer explanations in but the ones you all posted above were or i think were as close as we really need to know and thank you again.

manx bean Wot warrenty?